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    Re: Turnovers, Vikes have gotta stop it.

    "gagarr" wrote:
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    YUCK

    WE need a good week in practice

    SEND THE HOUSE AT JACKSON in practice.. he needs to get used to it.. I think he can handle the blitz better then Gus so im happy he will be in

    AP can not fumble!! He dropped it a couple times yesterday and when he hit the ground it popped out a couple (yes I know thats not a fumble) PLEASE beat him up the pillows this week and punish him for fumbling

    Berrian needs to get healthy.. Let him rest up this week.. We gotta hit the Eagles deep early to keep them honest before they start attacking

    Shank will have a good game.. he will be our safety outlet
    Your right about AD.
    Watching highlights of the Cowgirls- Eagles game, the Eagles relentlessly go after the ball.
    Given AD's rep for giving it up, the Eagles D will be running force fumble drills all weak.

    Yah they even took 2 back yesterday

    FAD (fumble all day) can not do this next week otherwise it will be an easy win for the Iggles

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    Re: Turnovers, Vikes have gotta stop it.

    "gagarr" wrote:
    "MaxVike" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    Vikes have the worst turnover mark of playoff teams.

    Miami Dolphins




    +17
    Tennessee Titans



    +14
    Baltimore Ravens



    +13
    Indianapolis Colts



    +9
    New York Giants




    +9
    Carolina Panthers



    +6
    Pittsburgh Steelers


    +4
    San Diego Chargers

    +4
    Philadelphia Eagles


    +3
    Arizona Cardinals



    0
    Atlanta Falcons





    -3
    Minnesota Vikings



    -6

    It could even be considered a positive, that even though the Vikes have shot themselves in the foot many times they still have won games.

    If the Vikes don't turnover the ball, IMO the Eagles game is a lock for the Vikes
    Does your source indicate how many of the turnovers were in the redzone?
    Enemy Territory w/in field goal range?
    The INT in the EndZone yesterday almost sent me into orbit I was so pissed off.

    Also...IMO, it isn't a lock if we don't turn it over.
    It is the only chance we have to win.
    Jim Johnson and his defense are going to terrorize TJack.
    Our WR's will be man-to-man all day long.
    TJack must find Shiancoe early and often to neutralize the blitz.
    I'm just using the NFL.com stats, so breakdown is limited.

    I agree the WR's will be open, but I don't think Shiancoe is the guy to stop it.
    AD and CT need to step up, through blocking the blitzers, rushing to the next level and getting 20+ yd runs, and big yardage screen passes.

    CT should have a BIG day.
    Honestly, I think Shiancoe is a huge key for this game.


    The Eagles have had some difficulty with good TE's, primarily due to blitzing schemes and placing LBs 1-on-1 with them.
    There are several keys to this defense, but, it starts with Trent Cole's ability to pressure off the edge, Asante Samuel's lock down ability, and, BRIAN DAWKINS.
    Trent Cole is one of the most underrated players in the NFL, there is a reason the Eagle's paid Samuel all that cake, and, there is a reason Dawkins is being mentioned as "potential HOF" material.
    Dawkins can take over a game, Samuel can shut down virtually whomever he is covering and Cole brings it - hard.


    TJack is gonna have a split second to recognize where the weakness to attack is...and, it will not be pre-snap.
    He will need to keep an eye on these three players all day long.
    If they get pressure with no blitz, we are dead...unless AD has 150+ and CT also has a big day.
    IMO, Shiancoe has an opportunity to have another huge game here...TJack is the key.
    Shiancoe has proven that he can gain seperation from LBs and safeties...if they bring Dawkins, you gotta find him.

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    Re: Turnovers, Vikes have gotta stop it.

    "MaxVike" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "MaxVike" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    Vikes have the worst turnover mark of playoff teams.

    Miami Dolphins




    +17
    Tennessee Titans



    +14
    Baltimore Ravens



    +13
    Indianapolis Colts



    +9
    New York Giants




    +9
    Carolina Panthers



    +6
    Pittsburgh Steelers


    +4
    San Diego Chargers

    +4
    Philadelphia Eagles


    +3
    Arizona Cardinals



    0
    Atlanta Falcons





    -3
    Minnesota Vikings



    -6

    It could even be considered a positive, that even though the Vikes have shot themselves in the foot many times they still have won games.

    If the Vikes don't turnover the ball, IMO the Eagles game is a lock for the Vikes
    Does your source indicate how many of the turnovers were in the redzone?
    Enemy Territory w/in field goal range?
    The INT in the EndZone yesterday almost sent me into orbit I was so pissed off.

    Also...IMO, it isn't a lock if we don't turn it over.
    It is the only chance we have to win.
    Jim Johnson and his defense are going to terrorize TJack.
    Our WR's will be man-to-man all day long.
    TJack must find Shiancoe early and often to neutralize the blitz.
    I'm just using the NFL.com stats, so breakdown is limited.

    I agree the WR's will be open, but I don't think Shiancoe is the guy to stop it.
    AD and CT need to step up, through blocking the blitzers, rushing to the next level and getting 20+ yd runs, and big yardage screen passes.

    CT should have a BIG day.
    Honestly, I think Shiancoe is a huge key for this game.


    The Eagles have had some difficulty with good TE's, primarily due to blitzing schemes and placing LBs 1-on-1 with them.
    There are several keys to this defense, but, it starts with Trent Cole's ability to pressure off the edge, Asante Samuel's lock down ability, and, BRIAN DAWKINS.
    Trent Cole is one of the most underrated players in the NFL, there is a reason the Eagle's paid Samuel all that cake, and, there is a reason Dawkins is being mentioned as "potential HOF" material.
    Dawkins can take over a game, Samuel can shut down virtually whomever he is covering and Cole brings it - hard.


    TJack is gonna have a split second to recognize where the weakness to attack is...and, it will not be pre-snap.
    He will need to keep an eye on these three players all day long.
    If they get pressure with no blitz, we are dead...unless AD has 150+ and CT also has a big day.
    IMO, Shiancoe has an opportunity to have another huge game here...TJack is the key.
    Shiancoe has proven that he can gain seperation from LBs and safeties...if they bring Dawkins, you gotta find him.
    I still disagree. I do not think Tjack is the key to the game. It will be the D. If they can rattle McNabb and shut down the run completely, get a freaking TO, then we should just be able to run the ball and wear them out.

    If the D allows big passes and we get behind early then it will be put on Tjack's shoulders to throw like Manning and we all know he will likely never be that type of QB not matter how much he progresses.
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    Re: Turnovers, Vikes have gotta stop it.

    "gagarr" wrote:
    Vikes have the worst turnover mark of playoff teams.

    Miami Dolphins




    +17
    Tennessee Titans



    +14
    Baltimore Ravens



    +13
    Indianapolis Colts



    +9
    New York Giants




    +9
    Carolina Panthers



    +6
    Pittsburgh Steelers


    +4
    San Diego Chargers

    +4
    Philadelphia Eagles


    +3
    Arizona Cardinals



    0
    Atlanta Falcons





    -3
    Minnesota Vikings



    -6

    It could even be considered a positive, that even though the Vikes have shot themselves in the foot many times they still have won games.

    If the Vikes don't turnover the ball, IMO the Eagles game is a lock for the Vikes
    Thanks for posting this.
    I was just thinking of turnovers and penalties and saw this thread.
    Just goes to show that the team has talent.
    We can beat anyone if we don't beat ourselves.

    Here are some penalty stats too:

    Team Yards
    Colts 543
    Eagles 593
    Dolphins 615
    Chargers 708
    Panthers 736
    Titans 750
    Ravens 792
    Steelers 801
    Cardinals 816
    Falcons 854
    Giants 866
    Vikings 1002
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    Re: Turnovers, Vikes have gotta stop it.

    "Overlord" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    Vikes have the worst turnover mark of playoff teams.

    Miami Dolphins




    +17
    Tennessee Titans



    +14
    Baltimore Ravens



    +13
    Indianapolis Colts



    +9
    New York Giants




    +9
    Carolina Panthers



    +6
    Pittsburgh Steelers


    +4
    San Diego Chargers

    +4
    Philadelphia Eagles


    +3
    Arizona Cardinals



    0
    Atlanta Falcons





    -3
    Minnesota Vikings



    -6

    It could even be considered a positive, that even though the Vikes have shot themselves in the foot many times they still have won games.

    If the Vikes don't turnover the ball, IMO the Eagles game is a lock for the Vikes
    Thanks for posting this.
    I was just thinking of turnovers and penalties and saw this thread.
    Just goes to show that the team has talent.
    We can beat anyone if we don't beat ourselves.

    Here are some penalty stats too:

    Team Yards
    Colts 543
    Eagles 593
    Dolphins 615
    Chargers 708
    Panthers 736
    Titans 750
    Ravens 792
    Steelers 801
    Cardinals 816
    Falcons 854
    Giants 866
    Vikings 1002
    Vikes TO differentials and result:
    Packer game: -1
    Lost by 5
    Colts game: +1 Lost by 3

    Playoff team
    Panthers game: +1 Won by 10
    Playoff team
    Titans game: -3
    Lost by 13
    Playoff team
    Saints game: +4
    Won by 3
    Lions game: -2
    Won by 2
    Bears game: -4 Lost by 7
    Texans game +2 Won by 7
    Packers game: -3 Won by 1
    Bucs game: -1 Lost by 6
    Jags game: +4 Won by 18
    Bears game: +2 Won by 20
    Lions game: -2 Won by 4
    Cards game: +1 won by 21
    Playoff team
    Falcons game: -4 Lost by 7
    Playoff team
    Giants game: -1 Won by 1
    Playoff team

    Vikes are 3-3 against Playoff teams and have a -5 TO differential against them.

    I predict the Vikes will beat the Eagles if they don't turn the ball over or have a differential of +1 or more.
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    Re: Turnovers, Vikes have gotta stop it.

    "SIUviking" wrote:
    "MaxVike" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "MaxVike" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    Vikes have the worst turnover mark of playoff teams.

    Miami Dolphins




    +17
    Tennessee Titans



    +14
    Baltimore Ravens



    +13
    Indianapolis Colts



    +9
    New York Giants




    +9
    Carolina Panthers



    +6
    Pittsburgh Steelers


    +4
    San Diego Chargers

    +4
    Philadelphia Eagles


    +3
    Arizona Cardinals



    0
    Atlanta Falcons





    -3
    Minnesota Vikings



    -6

    It could even be considered a positive, that even though the Vikes have shot themselves in the foot many times they still have won games.

    If the Vikes don't turnover the ball, IMO the Eagles game is a lock for the Vikes
    Does your source indicate how many of the turnovers were in the redzone?
    Enemy Territory w/in field goal range?
    The INT in the EndZone yesterday almost sent me into orbit I was so pissed off.

    Also...IMO, it isn't a lock if we don't turn it over.
    It is the only chance we have to win.
    Jim Johnson and his defense are going to terrorize TJack.
    Our WR's will be man-to-man all day long.
    TJack must find Shiancoe early and often to neutralize the blitz.
    I'm just using the NFL.com stats, so breakdown is limited.

    I agree the WR's will be open, but I don't think Shiancoe is the guy to stop it.
    AD and CT need to step up, through blocking the blitzers, rushing to the next level and getting 20+ yd runs, and big yardage screen passes.

    CT should have a BIG day.
    Honestly, I think Shiancoe is a huge key for this game.


    The Eagles have had some difficulty with good TE's, primarily due to blitzing schemes and placing LBs 1-on-1 with them.
    There are several keys to this defense, but, it starts with Trent Cole's ability to pressure off the edge, Asante Samuel's lock down ability, and, BRIAN DAWKINS.
    Trent Cole is one of the most underrated players in the NFL, there is a reason the Eagle's paid Samuel all that cake, and, there is a reason Dawkins is being mentioned as "potential HOF" material.
    Dawkins can take over a game, Samuel can shut down virtually whomever he is covering and Cole brings it - hard.


    TJack is gonna have a split second to recognize where the weakness to attack is...and, it will not be pre-snap.
    He will need to keep an eye on these three players all day long.
    If they get pressure with no blitz, we are dead...unless AD has 150+ and CT also has a big day.
    IMO, Shiancoe has an opportunity to have another huge game here...TJack is the key.
    Shiancoe has proven that he can gain seperation from LBs and safeties...if they bring Dawkins, you gotta find him.
    I still disagree. I do not think Tjack is the key to the game. It will be the D. If they can rattle McNabb and shut down the run completely, get a freaking TO, then we should just be able to run the ball and wear them out.

    If the D allows big passes and we get behind early then it will be put on Tjack's shoulders to throw like Manning and we all know he will likely never be that type of QB not matter how much he progresses.
    I like the original post.
    Very enlightening......

    As to you two....I disagree with the both of you.
    ;D

    How well our O and D line play will be key.

    If our OL can protect TJ and open holes our offense will click especially in the passing scheme as Shanc can get in the seams and exploit that area.
    If he is in blocking, he isn't gonna make that big of an impact.

    If our DL can get pressure and stop the run without alot of help from our LB's and secondary blitzing we will be able to hold the zones and minimize any effor they have both in the passing but running attacks as well.
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    Re: Turnovers, Vikes have gotta stop it.

    LMAO,

    I remember getting flamed for saying this as little as two weeks ago.

    Just play clean football guys and you'll get that win.
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    Re: Turnovers, Vikes have gotta stop it.

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    LMAO,

    I remember getting flamed for saying this as little as two weeks ago.

    Just play clean football guys and you'll get that win.

    Who flamed you?

    Anyone that knows anything about football knows whoever wins the TO battle more times then not wins the game

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    Re: Turnovers, Vikes have gotta stop it.

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    ...Here are some penalty stats too:

    Team Yards
    Colts 543
    Eagles 593
    Dolphins 615
    Chargers 708
    Panthers 736
    Titans 750
    Ravens 792
    Steelers 801
    Cardinals 816
    Falcons 854
    Giants 866
    Vikings 1002
    That is just painful to look at.
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    Re: Turnovers, Vikes have gotta stop it.

    Ewww

    Too many penelties

    We have been better the last few weeks though

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