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    Trading Peterson Best Move for Vikings' Long-Term

    The issue facing the Vikings regarding Peterson, then, is not primarily one of long-term costs. Rather, the problem is that signing Peterson to a long-term deal means that the Vikings will be on the hook for several million dollars even as Peterson begins to decline in productivity. Given how many times the Vikings will need to get Peterson the ball in 2011 to be even remotely competitive, that decline is only likely to accelerate.

    The Vikings can turn a dilemma into a bonanza, at least on the field, if, rather than signing Peterson, they put him on the trading block. That's a particularly difficult pill for the Vikings' front office to swallow, given that Peterson is the team's primary draw on and off the field and represents one of two clear strong draft selections in the Spielman era.
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    Haven't had one of these going in a few weeks......Interesting read as the author almost talks himself into actually saying this is a bad idea.

    On a side note, I found this a bit more interesting....

    Despite continuing reports to the contrary, the Vikings currently sit approximately $12 million (not $320,000) under the salary cap.
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    Re: Trading Peterson Best Move for Vikings' Long-Term

    I'm not sure the productivity is going to drop off for another 4-5 years. He is in his prime.
    That said, I have come around to the idea of trading Peterson(or Greenway for that matter)in order to free future cap space and get future draft picks.
    I think in the coming years draft picks are going to become more valuable than ever given the much lower salaries the top picks will recieve.
    You pick up a first round pick which obviously helps, plus you have the money to sign one of next years top free agents.

    Of course the dome would be half empty and I would cry watching AD's talent wasted in Washington.

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    Re: Trading Peterson Best Move for Vikings' Long-Term

    Told everyone that the Florio posts on the cap were bullshit.

    As for trading Peterson. Would be a ridiculously silly move. Hodge was just talking about him on SC this morning and he hit it on the head. Everyone thinks running backs are a dime a dozen, but backs like CJ2K and AD DO NOT fall in that category.

    The major problem with this article is the fact that the Vikings WOULD NOT be on the hook in the declining years of the contract. They would pay him up front and get their money worth pretty much in the first 2-3 years of a 5-6 year deal.

    It always surprises me how much long term contracts are written about by reporters, bloggers, fans, etc. as if they don't realize how easy it is to cut players in the NFL and not have it negatively impact you too much except in the salary cap.

    Peterson should still have (counting this season) a MINIMUM of 4 highly productive seasons in him (of course this is barring injury). He is the FACE of the franchise. He is voted by his peers, GMs and coaches alike to be the BEST non-QB player in the entire league.

    There is no trade value that the Vikings could get for him. I saw in the comments section on the blog piece some psycho saying we could get two players and two first round draft picks for him from a team that is a contender. That is total hogwash.

    At most he would demand a Randy Moss type deal. A first rounder (have to do it after the season so you know it is a top 10 pick) a player and MAYBE another draft pick. He is more valuable to the Vikings than that trade.

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    Re: Trading Peterson Best Move for Vikings' Long-Term

    I would do it for the right package.

    My reasoning is that I feel our title window will open about 3 years from now once Ponder learns from experience and matures. By then AD will be pushing 30 with a lot of miles on his legs.

    That hinges on your opinion of Ponder. If you feel he has the ability to lead this team then I believe it would be wise to build up a better offensive line (namely a top LT). Add a very good possession receiver and get a very good scat back to pair with Gerhart.

    I just don't feel having the best running back in the league is a requirement to winning championships. I would be perfectly happy with our own version of Alstot/Dunn.

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    Re: Trading Peterson Best Move for Vikings' Long-Term

    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1105846
    I'm not sure the productivity is going to drop off for another 4-5 years. He is in his prime.
    That said, I have come around to the idea of trading Peterson(or Greenway for that matter)in order to free future cap space and get future draft picks.
    I think in the coming years draft picks are going to become more valuable than ever given the much lower salaries the top picks will recieve.
    You pick up a first round pick which obviously helps, plus you have the money to sign one of next years top free agents.

    Of course the dome would be half empty and I would cry watching AD's talent wasted in Washington.
    I agree on his productivity not dropping off.

    One thing I've liked is how the staff has attempted to keep his reps down so they could extend his career.
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    Re: Trading Peterson Best Move for Vikings' Long-Term

    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1105847
    Told everyone that the Florio posts on the cap were bullshit.
    I've been using ESPN's numbers of late. They were about the same as Florios.

    As for trading Peterson. Would be a ridiculously silly move. Hodge was just talking about him on SC this morning and he hit it on the head. Everyone thinks running backs are a dime a dozen, but backs like CJ2K and AD DO NOT fall in that category.

    The major problem with this article is the fact that the Vikings WOULD NOT be on the hook in the declining years of the contract. They would pay him up front and get their money worth pretty much in the first 2-3 years of a 5-6 year deal.

    It always surprises me how much long term contracts are written about by reporters, bloggers, fans, etc. as if they don't realize how easy it is to cut players in the NFL and not have it negatively impact you too much except in the salary cap.

    Peterson should still have (counting this season) a MINIMUM of 4 highly productive seasons in him (of course this is barring injury). He is the FACE of the franchise. He is voted by his peers, GMs and coaches alike to be the BEST non-QB player in the entire league.

    There is no trade value that the Vikings could get for him. I saw in the comments section on the blog piece some psycho saying we could get two players and two first round draft picks for him from a team that is a contender. That is total hogwash.

    At most he would demand a Randy Moss type deal. A first rounder (have to do it after the season so you know it is a top 10 pick) a player and MAYBE another draft pick. He is more valuable to the Vikings than that trade.
    Agree in total, especially your last point.

    Just mystifies me why a deal hasn't been done already.
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    Re: Trading Peterson Best Move for Vikings' Long-Term

    It also makes a big difference how big his contract would be. If it's 5 years 40 million, 20 million guaranteed you keep him. If he wants to match fitsgerald at 8 years 120million with 50million guaranteed, you trade him to washington. 15million is 1/8 of your entire team salary!

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    Re: Trading Peterson Best Move for Vikings' Long-Term

    Terrible ideas my friends. You do not trade a player for unknowns. The draft isn't a capshoot but when you have an elite player....possibly the on of the greatest at his position, you don't trade him for magical beans.

    Go thru any draft and you find a shit load of 1st rounders at all positions that tank. receiving two first rounders for Peterson, isn't enough in my book. Bad teams loose/ trade skill players young in their careers....good teams get rid of them once they are no longer an assets. I don't see Peterson slowing down for another 6 years. He isn't an average back and shouldn't be held to the average back time frame. Anyone that would trade LT four years into his career is just as stupid. You would be killing your franchise. These are players you build around while you have them. Once they are lost, their void is felt for years.

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    Re: Trading Peterson Best Move for Vikings' Long-Term

    Quote Originally Posted by "jmcdon00" #1105856
    It also makes a big difference how big his contract would be. If it's 5 years 40 million, 20 million guaranteed you keep him. If he wants to match fitsgerald at 8 years 120million with 50million guaranteed, you trade him to washington. 15million is 1/8 of your entire team salary!
    Again, an excellent point.

    Can you imagine what it will be if we let him hit the open market? Some team will pay him Fitz money.
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    Re: Trading Peterson Best Move for Vikings' Long-Term

    Quote Originally Posted by "Freakout" #1105851
    I would do it for the right package.

    My reasoning is that I feel our title window will open about 3 years from now once Ponder learns from experience and matures. By then AD will be pushing 30 with a lot of miles on his legs.

    That hinges on your opinion of Ponder. If you feel he has the ability to lead this team then I believe it would be wise to build up a better offensive line (namely a top LT). Add a very good possession receiver and get a very good scat back to pair with Gerhart.

    I just don't feel having the best running back in the league is a requirement to winning championships. I would be perfectly happy with our own version of Alstot/Dunn.
    Good point about the window of opportunity.

    Only real issue I have with that is I believe we are still in a pretty good window right now and if we can continue to retain our young talent, that window won't shrink as much as if we keep rolling the dice and letting them hit the open market.
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