Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 35
  1. #21
    hav0x is offline Pro-Bowler
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    325

    Re: Top 5 Reasons We are 0-2 (and how to fix it)

    People keep saying that its chilly's bad playcalling but I don't believe that. He isn't able to open up the playbook with Tarvaris since he can't even make the most basic throws. He's constanly throwing it at their feet and under/over throwing his WR's. Why give him harder throws when he can't even make the basic ones? Not to mention he was constantly going through his checkdowns too quickly and dumping the ball off to the RB/FB and short passes to TE's when its 3rd and long. Like the play last week when we were backed up to like the 5 when its 3rd down and he tosses it to the RB 5 feet in front of him with LB's and a DE right there. His decision making is rediculous. I don't know whats wrong with him but this isn't the same T-Jack that I saw in the Denver game last year. Chilly needed to do something to light a fire under his ass and benching him was the best way to do it. If he wants to play he's going to have to perform.. Now I expect him to be named the starter before the season is over so chilly can see if he's taking it more seriously. Unless Gus performs miracles.

  2. #22
    gagarr's Avatar
    gagarr is offline Team Alumni
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,411

    Re: Top 5 Reasons We are 0-2 (and how to fix it)

    1. Too high of expectations from fans (booing) , media (SB contender), players (record setting predictions), and I assume coaches and owners.
    Players are playing NOT to lose, instead of playing to WIN.
    Both GB and Colts games are perfect examples.

    Fix: It's the coaches job to fix this.
    I have to admit that benching TJ, probably hurt in this aspect.

    2 Young QB, played tight, couldn't read D's, stared down receivers


    FIX: New vet QB that's been there and done that, should get the job done

    3. Playcalling limited to safe plays a young QB could make, but didn't


    Fix: same as above, experience QB that opens up more plays

    4. Pass rush not finishing, where are the sacks, knock downs, etc.


    Fix: Come out swinging, blitz, show aggression.
    Shutting down the run is fine, but it only forces them to pass.
    GB 30 pass/19 run
    Colts 44/17
    .
    I rather the Vikes split the difference in their defensive rankings rush (7th) and pass (24th) defense = both around 15th.
    Maybe even take a page from the John Randle school of intentionally roughing the passer (at least that's how I saw it).

    5. Play the players that make plays.
    i.e. BB hasn't been making them, thus send in AA more.
    Shank hasn't send in Mills more.
    Use AD in down field passing not just crappy easy to read swing passes.
    [size=12pt]
    Page 148.5 **Doleman 150.5 **Randle 137.5 **Allen 73+
    [/size]

  3. #23
    NDVikingFan66's Avatar
    NDVikingFan66 is offline Team Alumni
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    2,831

    Re: Top 5 Reasons We are 0-2 (and how to fix it)

    Boy....lots of 5 reasons here.....almost close to 25-30 or so


  4. #24
    marstc09's Avatar
    marstc09 is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Posts
    23,179

    Re: Top 5 Reasons We are 0-2 (and how to fix it)

    1. Lack of Jello Shots (Green Bay and Indy)
    2. Assholes in front of me (Green Bay and Indy)
    3. Zeus not eating before the game (Indy)
    4. Sno having to move away from us (Indy)
    5. No sunshine (Green Bay and Indy)

    HM: The Coaching Staff

  5. #25
    C Mac D's Avatar
    C Mac D is offline Posting to P'own
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    13,468

    Re: Top 5 Reasons We are 0-2 (and how to fix it)

    "hav0x" wrote:
    People keep saying that its chilly's bad playcalling but I don't believe that. He isn't able to open up the playbook with Tarvaris since he can't even make the most basic throws. He's constanly throwing it at their feet and under/over throwing his WR's. Why give him harder throws when he can't even make the basic ones? Not to mention he was constantly going through his checkdowns too quickly and dumping the ball off to the RB/FB and short passes to TE's when its 3rd and long. Like the play last week when we were backed up to like the 5 when its 3rd down and he tosses it to the RB 5 feet in front of him with LB's and a DE right there. His decision making is rediculous. I don't know whats wrong with him but this isn't the same T-Jack that I saw in the Denver game last year. Chilly needed to do something to light a fire under his ass and benching him was the best way to do it. If he wants to play he's going to have to perform.. Now I expect him to be named the starter before the season is over so chilly can see if he's taking it more seriously. Unless Gus performs miracles.
    I would say it's his "System" he's trying to force... not simply his playcalling.

    It's an obvious trend that all starts with Childress' awful decision making. Here' an interesting article that was sent to me... read through this and then tell me it's Jackson's "ridiculous decision making".

    The first thing Childress did after being hired in 2006 was to note that the Vikings were a contender and had a franchise quarterback in Daunte Culpepper.
    Promptly after saying that, Childress shipped Culpepper off to the Miami Dolphins. As Culpepper appears to be making a comeback with Raiders, this may or may not turn out to have been a good move. We’ll just say the jury is out.
    Childress then announced that veteran Brad Johnson would be his starting quarterback. Johnson had experience with the WCO and had helped the Vikings resurgence in 2005, but Childress failed to realize that Johnson had no more gas left in the tank. Johnson had a horrific year and was benched after only throwing 9 touchdowns against 15 interceptions and 9 fumbles. Ouch. Strike 1.

    Childress had hand picked a backup quarterback in Mike McMahon. Childress had spent over a year working directly with McMahon when both were with the Philadelphia Eagles and signed McMahon to a 2 year, $2 million contract with a $400K signing bonus. A contract of that size suggested that McMahon was to be paid on the level of the highest paid backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Despite that, McMahon was so awful in the 2006 preseason that the Vikings waived him before the season started leaving the Vikings with a salary cap burden and without a proven backup quarterback. Strike 2.

    Without a proven backup, the Vikings were forced to make a move. So the Vikes traded defensive tackle prospect C.J. Mosely and a draft pick to the NY Jets for the relatively unproven Brooks Bollinger. Childress knew Bollinger from their common history at the University of Wisconsin and four days after acquiring Bollinger, Childress rewarded him with a 2 year, $2.2 million contract extention, surpassing the amount they gave to McMahon. (Never mind the fact that Bollinger was already under contract and hadn’t done anything to deserve a contract extension) Yet this preseason, Bollinger stunk up the joint so badly that it quickly became apparent that he wouldn’t be a reliable backup quarterback either. Strike 3.

    (To make matters worse, Mosely had 3 sacks in his last preseason game and by all accounts is a player on the rise)

    But it doesn’t end with 3 measly strikes.
    [size=15pt]
    Story Continued...
    [/size]
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

  6. #26
    huxx is offline Pro-Bowler
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    496

    Re: Top 5 Reasons We are 0-2 (and how to fix it)

    1. Predictable offence
    2. see 1
    3.
    see 1
    4.
    see 1
    5. see 1

  7. #27
    C Mac D's Avatar
    C Mac D is offline Posting to P'own
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    13,468

    Re: Top 5 Reasons We are 0-2 (and how to fix it)

    "huxx" wrote:
    1. Predictable offence
    2. see 1
    3.
    see 1
    4.
    see 1
    5. see 1
    Offence?
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

  8. #28
    ragz's Avatar
    ragz is offline GM
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    1,114

    Re: Top 5 Reasons We are 0-2 (and how to fix it)

    "C" wrote:
    "hav0x" wrote:
    People keep saying that its chilly's bad playcalling but I don't believe that. He isn't able to open up the playbook with Tarvaris since he can't even make the most basic throws. He's constanly throwing it at their feet and under/over throwing his WR's. Why give him harder throws when he can't even make the basic ones? Not to mention he was constantly going through his checkdowns too quickly and dumping the ball off to the RB/FB and short passes to TE's when its 3rd and long. Like the play last week when we were backed up to like the 5 when its 3rd down and he tosses it to the RB 5 feet in front of him with LB's and a DE right there. His decision making is rediculous. I don't know whats wrong with him but this isn't the same T-Jack that I saw in the Denver game last year. Chilly needed to do something to light a fire under his jiggly butt and benching him was the best way to do it. If he wants to play he's going to have to perform.. Now I expect him to be named the starter before the season is over so chilly can see if he's taking it more seriously. Unless Gus performs miracles.
    I would say it's his "System" he's trying to force... not simply his playcalling.

    It's an obvious trend that all starts with Childress' awful decision making. Here' an interesting article that was sent to me... read through this and then tell me it's Jackson's "ridiculous decision making".

    The first thing Childress did after being hired in 2006 was to note that the Vikings were a contender and had a franchise quarterback in Daunte Culpepper.
    Promptly after saying that, Childress shipped Culpepper off to the Miami Dolphins. As Culpepper appears to be making a comeback with Raiders, this may or may not turn out to have been a good move. We’ll just say the jury is out.
    Childress then announced that veteran Brad Johnson would be his starting quarterback. Johnson had experience with the WCO and had helped the Vikings resurgence in 2005, but Childress failed to realize that Johnson had no more gas left in the tank. Johnson had a horrific year and was benched after only throwing 9 touchdowns against 15 interceptions and 9 fumbles. Ouch. Strike 1.

    Childress had hand picked a backup quarterback in Mike McMahon. Childress had spent over a year working directly with McMahon when both were with the Philadelphia Eagles and signed McMahon to a 2 year, $2 million contract with a $400K signing bonus. A contract of that size suggested that McMahon was to be paid on the level of the highest paid backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Despite that, McMahon was so awful in the 2006 preseason that the Vikings waived him before the season started leaving the Vikings with a salary cap burden and without a proven backup quarterback. Strike 2.

    Without a proven backup, the Vikings were forced to make a move. So the Vikes traded defensive tackle prospect C.J. Mosely and a draft pick to the NY Jets for the relatively unproven Brooks Bollinger. Childress knew Bollinger from their common history at the University of Wisconsin and four days after acquiring Bollinger, Childress rewarded him with a 2 year, $2.2 million contract extention, surpassing the amount they gave to McMahon. (Never mind the fact that Bollinger was already under contract and hadn’t done anything to deserve a contract extension) Yet this preseason, Bollinger stunk up the joint so badly that it quickly became apparent that he wouldn’t be a reliable backup quarterback either. Strike 3.

    (To make matters worse, Mosely had 3 sacks in his last preseason game and by all accounts is a player on the rise)

    But it doesn’t end with 3 measly strikes.
    [size=15pt]
    Story Continued...
    [/size]
    ha ha ha, perfect.
    and lets not forget the wrs hes brought in with pinkston and mcmullen.
    hicks, whos doing a nice job now but was terrible and got benched from his guard position.
    people have no problem quickly judging tavaris after 16 starts, but after over 2 years of childress and a dismal pass game this guy doesn't think the playcalling has anything to do with it?


    bottom line is we barely lost 2 games, injuries right now aren't helping us, but if we are still a good team ferrotte can come in and win. i dont know if it's my usual enthusiasm at the end of a week, with the loss wearing off, or if i believe it.
    but if we are trying to win games without our qb, maybe this is a game we win with the run game or defense.
    we still have talent, and if it takes childress throwing jackson under the bus for us to get the ball down the field so be it.
    its not exactly like he was really learning anything out there.
    i'm pretty sure hes got the handoff thing figured out by now.
    but dont think i'm gonna buy for a minute if we throw the ball downfield this week that has to do with the playbook being held back cuz of jackson.
    if we do, its childress responding to boos for his playcalls, not cuz jackson was slowing the team down.
    childress has had to change things for a long time, and now hes using jackson to get himself out of the responsibility.
    its shitty but if we start winning games, oh well.
    we have enough talent we just gotta hope childress dont muck it up more.
    "self improvement's masturbation.
    now self destruction" that's enlightenment

  9. #29
    DustinDupont's Avatar
    DustinDupont is offline Team Alumni
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    2,607

    Re: Top 5 Reasons We are 0-2 (and how to fix it)

    "C" wrote:
    "hav0x" wrote:
    People keep saying that its chilly's bad playcalling but I don't believe that. He isn't able to open up the playbook with Tarvaris since he can't even make the most basic throws. He's constanly throwing it at their feet and under/over throwing his WR's. Why give him harder throws when he can't even make the basic ones? Not to mention he was constantly going through his checkdowns too quickly and dumping the ball off to the RB/FB and short passes to TE's when its 3rd and long. Like the play last week when we were backed up to like the 5 when its 3rd down and he tosses it to the RB 5 feet in front of him with LB's and a DE right there. His decision making is rediculous. I don't know whats wrong with him but this isn't the same T-Jack that I saw in the Denver game last year. Chilly needed to do something to light a fire under his ass and benching him was the best way to do it. If he wants to play he's going to have to perform.. Now I expect him to be named the starter before the season is over so chilly can see if he's taking it more seriously. Unless Gus performs miracles.
    I would say it's his "System" he's trying to force... not simply his playcalling.

    It's an obvious trend that all starts with Childress' awful decision making. Here' an interesting article that was sent to me... read through this and then tell me it's Jackson's "ridiculous decision making".

    The first thing Childress did after being hired in 2006 was to note that the Vikings were a contender and had a franchise quarterback in Daunte Culpepper.
    Promptly after saying that, Childress shipped Culpepper off to the Miami Dolphins. As Culpepper appears to be making a comeback with Raiders, this may or may not turn out to have been a good move. We’ll just say the jury is out.
    Childress then announced that veteran Brad Johnson would be his starting quarterback. Johnson had experience with the WCO and had helped the Vikings resurgence in 2005, but Childress failed to realize that Johnson had no more gas left in the tank. Johnson had a horrific year and was benched after only throwing 9 touchdowns against 15 interceptions and 9 fumbles. Ouch. Strike 1.

    Childress had hand picked a backup quarterback in Mike McMahon. Childress had spent over a year working directly with McMahon when both were with the Philadelphia Eagles and signed McMahon to a 2 year, $2 million contract with a $400K signing bonus. A contract of that size suggested that McMahon was to be paid on the level of the highest paid backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Despite that, McMahon was so awful in the 2006 preseason that the Vikings waived him before the season started leaving the Vikings with a salary cap burden and without a proven backup quarterback. Strike 2.

    Without a proven backup, the Vikings were forced to make a move. So the Vikes traded defensive tackle prospect C.J. Mosely and a draft pick to the NY Jets for the relatively unproven Brooks Bollinger. Childress knew Bollinger from their common history at the University of Wisconsin and four days after acquiring Bollinger, Childress rewarded him with a 2 year, $2.2 million contract extention, surpassing the amount they gave to McMahon. (Never mind the fact that Bollinger was already under contract and hadn’t done anything to deserve a contract extension) Yet this preseason, Bollinger stunk up the joint so badly that it quickly became apparent that he wouldn’t be a reliable backup quarterback either. Strike 3.

    (To make matters worse, Mosely had 3 sacks in his last preseason game and by all accounts is a player on the rise)

    But it doesn’t end with 3 measly strikes.
    [size=15pt]
    Story Continued...
    [/size]
    That article is amazing, how many fucking strikes is Chilly gonna get

  10. #30
    ragz's Avatar
    ragz is offline GM
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    1,114

    Re: Top 5 Reasons We are 0-2 (and how to fix it)

    "DustinDupont" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "hav0x" wrote:
    People keep saying that its chilly's bad playcalling but I don't believe that. He isn't able to open up the playbook with Tarvaris since he can't even make the most basic throws. He's constanly throwing it at their feet and under/over throwing his WR's. Why give him harder throws when he can't even make the basic ones? Not to mention he was constantly going through his checkdowns too quickly and dumping the ball off to the RB/FB and short passes to TE's when its 3rd and long. Like the play last week when we were backed up to like the 5 when its 3rd down and he tosses it to the RB 5 feet in front of him with LB's and a DE right there. His decision making is rediculous. I don't know whats wrong with him but this isn't the same T-Jack that I saw in the Denver game last year. Chilly needed to do something to light a fire under his jiggly butt and benching him was the best way to do it. If he wants to play he's going to have to perform.. Now I expect him to be named the starter before the season is over so chilly can see if he's taking it more seriously. Unless Gus performs miracles.
    I would say it's his "System" he's trying to force... not simply his playcalling.

    It's an obvious trend that all starts with Childress' awful decision making. Here' an interesting article that was sent to me... read through this and then tell me it's Jackson's "ridiculous decision making".

    The first thing Childress did after being hired in 2006 was to note that the Vikings were a contender and had a franchise quarterback in Daunte Culpepper.
    Promptly after saying that, Childress shipped Culpepper off to the Miami Dolphins. As Culpepper appears to be making a comeback with Raiders, this may or may not turn out to have been a good move. We’ll just say the jury is out.
    Childress then announced that veteran Brad Johnson would be his starting quarterback. Johnson had experience with the WCO and had helped the Vikings resurgence in 2005, but Childress failed to realize that Johnson had no more gas left in the tank. Johnson had a horrific year and was benched after only throwing 9 touchdowns against 15 interceptions and 9 fumbles. Ouch. Strike 1.

    Childress had hand picked a backup quarterback in Mike McMahon. Childress had spent over a year working directly with McMahon when both were with the Philadelphia Eagles and signed McMahon to a 2 year, $2 million contract with a $400K signing bonus. A contract of that size suggested that McMahon was to be paid on the level of the highest paid backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Despite that, McMahon was so awful in the 2006 preseason that the Vikings waived him before the season started leaving the Vikings with a salary cap burden and without a proven backup quarterback. Strike 2.

    Without a proven backup, the Vikings were forced to make a move. So the Vikes traded defensive tackle prospect C.J. Mosely and a draft pick to the NY Jets for the relatively unproven Brooks Bollinger. Childress knew Bollinger from their common history at the University of Wisconsin and four days after acquiring Bollinger, Childress rewarded him with a 2 year, $2.2 million contract extention, surpassing the amount they gave to McMahon. (Never mind the fact that Bollinger was already under contract and hadn’t done anything to deserve a contract extension) Yet this preseason, Bollinger stunk up the joint so badly that it quickly became apparent that he wouldn’t be a reliable backup quarterback either. Strike 3.

    (To make matters worse, Mosely had 3 sacks in his last preseason game and by all accounts is a player on the rise)

    But it doesn’t end with 3 measly strikes.
    [size=15pt]
    Story Continued...
    [/size]
    That article is amazing, how many fricken strikes is Chilly gonna get
    you know what marr, amongst others are gonna say?
    they were executive decisions and childress doesnt have that much pull or all the say.
    like we just accidently kept on getting players who suck and have ties to childress.
    if anyone is to blame for our messed up qb situation its childress.
    whether hes holding us back, or his ego making him think his kao can make a qb outta anybody.
    either way, he blows.
    i'm lazy, can somebody go back and find when the last time was one of our qbs had 250 yards passing and 2 tds or more.
    it has to go back to dante.
    unless johnson had one when he had to come from some kinda defecit, like in the buffalo game that first year.
    thats pretty sad when your head coach is a supposed offensive guy.
    "self improvement's masturbation.
    now self destruction" that's enlightenment

Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. 16 reasons to root against the Pats...
    By pack93z in forum General NFL Discussion
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: 01-14-2008, 04:59 AM
  2. Four reasons 16-0 will never happen in the NFL
    By BadlandsVikings in forum General NFL Discussion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 10-04-2007, 07:01 AM
  3. Boredom, revenge and the other 235 reasons to have sex
    By COJOMAY in forum The Clubhouse
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 07-17-2007, 12:27 PM
  4. More Reasons as to why the BCS is HORSECRAP!
    By cajunvike in forum College Ball
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 12-08-2006, 10:47 PM
  5. Many reasons to hate espn and abc
    By hawaiianvike21 in forum The Clubhouse
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 11-30-2005, 05:01 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •