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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB plan

    In my opinion Chiller and the FO have gone with a couple different approaches in response to do they have a long term answer at QB.

    The plan is COMPETITION, the NFL is all about it. Chilly went with his gut and drafted a guy he liked with enough talent to be a project. The project didnt work out in the timeline he planned so he did what he had to do, explore other options.

    Now we have added several veterans to come in and compete and to a degree mentor TJ and the other QB's. After that he went and got an aging soon to be HOF'er who gave us a remarkable season. All the while TJ, and Sage are watching, and learning.

    I am not 100% convinced that TJ is the guy but I do like that the FO and Coaching staff keep trying to improve the situation through adding more competition at the position.

    I also like that they didnt reach for a QB they werent enamored with in the draft. Just because its a need does not predicate that you draft a guy if they wont fit your scheme. I dont think that they were in love with anyone in the draft class of QB's.

    There are several other NFL teams with as bad or worse options at QB than we have. Really there are only a handful of teams who have a long term franchise QB's.

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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB plan

    slavinator wrote:
    In my opinion Chiller and the FO have gone with a couple different approaches in response to do they have a long term answer at QB.

    The plan is COMPETITION, the NFL is all about it. Chilly went with his gut and drafted a guy he liked with enough talent to be a project. The project didnt work out in the timeline he planned so he did what he had to do, explore other options.

    Now we have added several veterans to come in and compete and to a degree mentor TJ and the other QB's. After that he went and got an aging soon to be HOF'er who gave us a remarkable season. All the while TJ, and Sage are watching, and learning.

    I am not 100% convinced that TJ is the guy but I do like that the FO and Coaching staff keep trying to improve the situation through adding more competition at the position.

    I also like that they didnt reach for a QB they werent enamored with in the draft. Just because its a need does not predicate that you draft a guy if they wont fit your scheme. I dont think that they were in love with anyone in the draft class of QB's.

    There are several other NFL teams with as bad or worse options at QB than we have. Really there are only a handful of teams who have a long term franchise QB's.
    You see, now your just making me upset.

    After reading a post like that, one wonders why we don't see more of them out of you......

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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB plan

    Marrdro wrote:
    slavinator wrote:
    In my opinion Chiller and the FO have gone with a couple different approaches in response to do they have a long term answer at QB.

    The plan is COMPETITION, the NFL is all about it. Chilly went with his gut and drafted a guy he liked with enough talent to be a project. The project didnt work out in the timeline he planned so he did what he had to do, explore other options.

    Now we have added several veterans to come in and compete and to a degree mentor TJ and the other QB's. After that he went and got an aging soon to be HOF'er who gave us a remarkable season. All the while TJ, and Sage are watching, and learning.

    I am not 100% convinced that TJ is the guy but I do like that the FO and Coaching staff keep trying to improve the situation through adding more competition at the position.

    I also like that they didnt reach for a QB they werent enamored with in the draft. Just because its a need does not predicate that you draft a guy if they wont fit your scheme. I dont think that they were in love with anyone in the draft class of QB's.

    There are several other NFL teams with as bad or worse options at QB than we have. Really there are only a handful of teams who have a long term franchise QB's.
    You see, now your just making me upset.

    After reading a post like that, one wonders why we don't see more of them out of you......

    Top shelf my friend. Top shelf indeed.
    Yes, especially when you look at the COMPETITION part of the post. Best I can tell since Childress arrived it went something like this:

    DC wacked out, BJ folded, TJack gifted starting role, TJack folded Frerrote and other asshats played some games, Rosenfels brought in for FIRST QB competition since acquiring TJack and then Favre was brought in to save the day. Not until Rosenfels was brought in was there a competition.

    There isn't a fan with part of a brain that doesn't realize that TJack has potential. To say he's starter material or a flop is a joke. Same story since he arrived. We don't know. Now we're reaching the magical development time and we will see what he has as a starter probably next year. I wouldn't be surprised if he does ok or if he flops. I will be surprised if he ever has a career where it isn't a roller coaster ride....which can be a good thing as long as there is a hint of consistency in the mix.

    If he is as good as the sniffers say he is then why was their dead silence when he was a free agent? I'll tell you why, they wanted too much for him and he is still a huge question mark. Why is he still on the roster? I'll tell you. The Vikings organization thinks he's worth keeping on the roster because he MIGHT pan out. Nothing more.

    Once again, the fanatics will be left on the sidelines to discuss TJack's existence. He has been around, in the same offense, his whole NFL career. If he gets the starting role again, gifted or earned, he will be on a short-leash until he proves to the NFL world that he has progressed into starter material and not just a quality backup. He has not done that yet. Will he? Time will tell. For what it's worth, which is nothing, I think he does not have it. There have been reports where he can jot down any play from the playbook on a napkin, but, based on his performance on the field can he execute them under pressure? Ah, sometimes. Can he cross that hump into integarting his knowledge and athleticism with wisdom on the field at the NFL level? Nobody knows.
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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB plan

    Prophet wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    slavinator wrote:
    In my opinion Chiller and the FO have gone with a couple different approaches in response to do they have a long term answer at QB.

    The plan is COMPETITION, the NFL is all about it. Chilly went with his gut and drafted a guy he liked with enough talent to be a project. The project didnt work out in the timeline he planned so he did what he had to do, explore other options.

    Now we have added several veterans to come in and compete and to a degree mentor TJ and the other QB's. After that he went and got an aging soon to be HOF'er who gave us a remarkable season. All the while TJ, and Sage are watching, and learning.

    I am not 100% convinced that TJ is the guy but I do like that the FO and Coaching staff keep trying to improve the situation through adding more competition at the position.

    I also like that they didnt reach for a QB they werent enamored with in the draft. Just because its a need does not predicate that you draft a guy if they wont fit your scheme. I dont think that they were in love with anyone in the draft class of QB's.

    There are several other NFL teams with as bad or worse options at QB than we have. Really there are only a handful of teams who have a long term franchise QB's.
    You see, now your just making me upset.

    After reading a post like that, one wonders why we don't see more of them out of you......

    Top shelf my friend. Top shelf indeed.
    Yes, especially when you look at the COMPETITION part of the post. Best I can tell since Childress arrived it went something like this:

    DC wacked out, BJ folded, TJack gifted starting role, TJack folded Frerrote and other asshats played some games, Rosenfels brought in for FIRST QB competition since acquiring TJack and then Favre was brought in to save the day. Not until Rosenfels was brought in was there a competition.

    There isn't a fan with part of a brain that doesn't realize that TJack has potential. To say he's starter material or a flop is a joke. Same story since he arrived. We don't know. Now we're reaching the magical development time and we will see what he has as a starter probably next year. I wouldn't be surprised if he does ok or if he flops. I will be surprised if he ever has a career where it isn't a roller coaster ride....which can be a good thing as long as there is a hint of consistency in the mix.

    If he is as good as the sniffers say he is then why was their dead silence when he was a free agent? I'll tell you why, they wanted too much for him and he is still a huge question mark. Why is he still on the roster? I'll tell you. The Vikings organization thinks he's worth keeping on the roster because he MIGHT pan out. Nothing more.

    Once again, the fanatics will be left on the sidelines to discuss TJack's existence. He has been around, in the same offense, his whole NFL career. If he gets the starting role again, gifted or earned, he will be on a short-leash until he proves to the NFL world that he has progressed into starter material and not just a quality backup. He has not done that yet. Will he? Time will tell. For what it's worth, which is nothing, I think he does not have it. There have been reports where he can jot down any play from the playbook on a napkin, but, based on his performance on the field can he execute them under pressure? Ah, sometimes. Can he cross that hump into integarting his knowledge and athleticism with wisdom on the field at the NFL level? Nobody knows.
    That could be said of alot of good QB's that have played in this league, to include our current starter......
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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB plan

    Marrdro wrote:
    Prophet wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    slavinator wrote:
    In my opinion Chiller and the FO have gone with a couple different approaches in response to do they have a long term answer at QB.

    The plan is COMPETITION, the NFL is all about it. Chilly went with his gut and drafted a guy he liked with enough talent to be a project. The project didnt work out in the timeline he planned so he did what he had to do, explore other options.

    Now we have added several veterans to come in and compete and to a degree mentor TJ and the other QB's. After that he went and got an aging soon to be HOF'er who gave us a remarkable season. All the while TJ, and Sage are watching, and learning.

    I am not 100% convinced that TJ is the guy but I do like that the FO and Coaching staff keep trying to improve the situation through adding more competition at the position.

    I also like that they didnt reach for a QB they werent enamored with in the draft. Just because its a need does not predicate that you draft a guy if they wont fit your scheme. I dont think that they were in love with anyone in the draft class of QB's.

    There are several other NFL teams with as bad or worse options at QB than we have. Really there are only a handful of teams who have a long term franchise QB's.
    You see, now your just making me upset.

    After reading a post like that, one wonders why we don't see more of them out of you......

    Top shelf my friend. Top shelf indeed.
    Yes, especially when you look at the COMPETITION part of the post. Best I can tell since Childress arrived it went something like this:

    DC wacked out, BJ folded, TJack gifted starting role, TJack folded Frerrote and other asshats played some games, Rosenfels brought in for FIRST QB competition since acquiring TJack and then Favre was brought in to save the day. Not until Rosenfels was brought in was there a competition.

    There isn't a fan with part of a brain that doesn't realize that TJack has potential. To say he's starter material or a flop is a joke. Same story since he arrived. We don't know. Now we're reaching the magical development time and we will see what he has as a starter probably next year. I wouldn't be surprised if he does ok or if he flops. I will be surprised if he ever has a career where it isn't a roller coaster ride....which can be a good thing as long as there is a hint of consistency in the mix.

    If he is as good as the sniffers say he is then why was their dead silence when he was a free agent? I'll tell you why, they wanted too much for him and he is still a huge question mark. Why is he still on the roster? I'll tell you. The Vikings organization thinks he's worth keeping on the roster because he MIGHT pan out. Nothing more.

    Once again, the fanatics will be left on the sidelines to discuss TJack's existence. He has been around, in the same offense, his whole NFL career. If he gets the starting role again, gifted or earned, he will be on a short-leash until he proves to the NFL world that he has progressed into starter material and not just a quality backup. He has not done that yet. Will he? Time will tell. For what it's worth, which is nothing, I think he does not have it. There have been reports where he can jot down any play from the playbook on a napkin, but, based on his performance on the field can he execute them under pressure? Ah, sometimes. Can he cross that hump into integarting his knowledge and athleticism with wisdom on the field at the NFL level? Nobody knows.
    That could be said of alot of good QB's that have played in this league, to include our current starter......
    Yes, it definitely could. Although, our current starter has some league MVP, SB appearances, and a splattering of NFL records to fall back on when he has a sporadic and inconsistent day. TJack has nothing because he hasn't played much and has earned little respect at the NFL level. Like I said, we do not know.
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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB plan

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    Marrdro wrote:
    Prophet wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    slavinator wrote:
    In my opinion Chiller and the FO have gone with a couple different approaches in response to do they have a long term answer at QB.

    The plan is COMPETITION, the NFL is all about it. Chilly went with his gut and drafted a guy he liked with enough talent to be a project. The project didnt work out in the timeline he planned so he did what he had to do, explore other options.

    Now we have added several veterans to come in and compete and to a degree mentor TJ and the other QB's. After that he went and got an aging soon to be HOF'er who gave us a remarkable season. All the while TJ, and Sage are watching, and learning.

    I am not 100% convinced that TJ is the guy but I do like that the FO and Coaching staff keep trying to improve the situation through adding more competition at the position.

    I also like that they didnt reach for a QB they werent enamored with in the draft. Just because its a need does not predicate that you draft a guy if they wont fit your scheme. I dont think that they were in love with anyone in the draft class of QB's.

    There are several other NFL teams with as bad or worse options at QB than we have. Really there are only a handful of teams who have a long term franchise QB's.
    You see, now your just making me upset.

    After reading a post like that, one wonders why we don't see more of them out of you......

    Top shelf my friend. Top shelf indeed.
    Yes, especially when you look at the COMPETITION part of the post. Best I can tell since Childress arrived it went something like this:

    DC wacked out, BJ folded, TJack gifted starting role, TJack folded Frerrote and other asshats played some games, Rosenfels brought in for FIRST QB competition since acquiring TJack and then Favre was brought in to save the day. Not until Rosenfels was brought in was there a competition.

    There isn't a fan with part of a brain that doesn't realize that TJack has potential. To say he's starter material or a flop is a joke. Same story since he arrived. We don't know. Now we're reaching the magical development time and we will see what he has as a starter probably next year. I wouldn't be surprised if he does ok or if he flops. I will be surprised if he ever has a career where it isn't a roller coaster ride....which can be a good thing as long as there is a hint of consistency in the mix.

    If he is as good as the sniffers say he is then why was their dead silence when he was a free agent? I'll tell you why, they wanted too much for him and he is still a huge question mark. Why is he still on the roster? I'll tell you. The Vikings organization thinks he's worth keeping on the roster because he MIGHT pan out. Nothing more.

    Once again, the fanatics will be left on the sidelines to discuss TJack's existence. He has been around, in the same offense, his whole NFL career. If he gets the starting role again, gifted or earned, he will be on a short-leash until he proves to the NFL world that he has progressed into starter material and not just a quality backup. He has not done that yet. Will he? Time will tell. For what it's worth, which is nothing, I think he does not have it. There have been reports where he can jot down any play from the playbook on a napkin, but, based on his performance on the field can he execute them under pressure? Ah, sometimes. Can he cross that hump into integarting his knowledge and athleticism with wisdom on the field at the NFL level? Nobody knows.
    That could be said of alot of good QB's that have played in this league, to include our current starter......
    Yes, it definitely could. Although, our current starter has some league MVP, SB appearances, and a splattering of NFL records to fall back on when he has a sporadic and inconsistent day. TJack has nothing because he hasn't played much and has earned little respect at the NFL level. Like I said, we do not know.
    One would hope that he has some of that hardware. Cat has been around the league like forever.....

    At somepoint he has to win something.
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    lol... The best he'll be is a #2? He's played better than any other QB drafted that year, Vince Young included.

    Thinking he'll simply come out of college and play like Matt Ryan (your view) is simply out of touch with reality. It's just that simple.
    Shock suprise, even VY showed alot of maturity and proffesionalism last year.

    Maybe there is some truth to that old cliche', you know, the one that talks about how long it takes to develop a QB. :huh:
    Yea VY pretty much sucked as a rookie, oh wait he was OROY. It was his sophomore year where he came crashing down to earth and his fairy tale existence ended.

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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB plan

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    Marrdro wrote:
    C Mac D wrote:
    lol... The best he'll be is a #2? He's played better than any other QB drafted that year, Vince Young included.

    Thinking he'll simply come out of college and play like Matt Ryan (your view) is simply out of touch with reality. It's just that simple.
    Shock suprise, even VY showed alot of maturity and proffesionalism last year.

    Maybe there is some truth to that old cliche', you know, the one that talks about how long it takes to develop a QB. :huh:
    Yea VY pretty much sucked as a rookie, oh wait he was OROY. It was his sophomore year where he came crashing down to earth and his fairy tale existence ended.
    If Jackson threw as many INTs as Young... the fickle Minnesota fans would have assisted the suicide.
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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB plan

    tastywaves wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    C Mac D wrote:
    lol... The best he'll be is a #2? He's played better than any other QB drafted that year, Vince Young included.

    Thinking he'll simply come out of college and play like Matt Ryan (your view) is simply out of touch with reality. It's just that simple.
    Shock suprise, even VY showed alot of maturity and proffesionalism last year.

    Maybe there is some truth to that old cliche', you know, the one that talks about how long it takes to develop a QB. :huh:
    Yea VY pretty much sucked as a rookie, oh wait he was OROY. It was his sophomore year where he came crashing down to earth and his fairy tale existence ended.
    If I remember right, he really didn't have that good of a year his rookie year.

    Heck, if memory serves, TJ's first year he was a starter (2nd) he put up better numbers that VY did. Truth of the matter is, I think TJ had better numbers than VY until last year when the light came on for VY.
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    i_bleed_purple wrote:
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    Tom Powers: Do the Vikings have a long-term plan at QB?
    I know we have lots of QB threads out there, however, this is by Mr. Tom Powers. As most of you know, he is such a stellar reporter, anything he does, gets special treatment by me.
    The long term solution the masterminds have is to pray the Pats let Tom Brady go in a finacial move and scoop him up. Geniuses I tell ya they are pure genius!!! :blink:
    You are a bit of a sneaky fellow as well I see...... Just added you to that new spreadsheet.....

    On a side note, Dnabb hasn't signed an extension yet has he? :huh:
    No, and neither has Peyton manning.
    Better yet.

    LOL, I wonder what some PPO posters would say about Peyton and his happy feet in the pocket. All TJ has to do is shift his feet a bit and they say he is uncomfortable. I bet they haven't watched ole Peyton much.

    That cat is jumpier than a cat on a floor covered in mouse traps...
    The difference. Peyton Manning is one of the best QBs to ever play the game. TJ is unproven so yes he will be criticized for every piece of mechanics that aren't the norm.

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