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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB pla

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    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    I heard a very interesting quote from Bill Walsh, went something like this:

    'When we were leading the league in passing, we were often also leading the league in scoring. When we led the league in rushing, we were 12th in scoring'

    What does that tell you? That was back in the 90's as well, the game has evolved since then even to be even more passing oriented.

    Chilly's initial philosophy, Run the ball and stop the run doesn't really work in todays day and age.

    Looking over the past bunch of Superbowl winners since 2000

    Ravens*, Patriots, Bucs, Patriots, Patriots, Steelers*, Colts, Giants, Steelers, Saints

    only two of those teams were 'run and stop the run' philosophies. The rest of them won with balanced or heavy passing offenses.

    The top three quarterbacks in the league have combined for five superbowls already.

    another popular cliche is 'defense wins championships', which is true, but more importantly quarterbacks win championships.

    sometimes if your D is truly good enough, and I mean some of the best ever, or at least best in the league (Bears, Steelers, Patriots), you can carry a young or mediocre QB. HOwever, Once Brady matured more, he was leading that team, and their steller defense just sealed the deal. Manning manges to win without a Defense, Brad johnson was still pretty decent in Tampa, and Eli & the Giants O had their way with the Pats.
    The trouble is we don't have a Brady if Favre retires. You have to use your talent to the best of THEIR ability. Our best players led us to a running game. Now we have drafted Rice, Harvin and traded for Shank but we still do not have a Fanchise QB without Favre. That's like having a ferrarri in your driveway but no keys. Franchise QBs are not easy to find; there are only a few in the league. If we lose Favre we will again be run heavy when gameplanning mark my words my friend (Marrdrroeze)
    Good stuff my friend (tarkenton10eze), just one comment/discussion point.

    As you said, we should use our talent to the best of THIER ability. Isn't most of our talent on this team geared to support the running game?

    Even our WR's are lauded as the top of the class when it comes to downfield blocking. Our best TE is a true "Inline" TE who can run block just as well as he can catch passes. Our OL is taught the ZBing scheme which is geared to exploit the run game. We just drafted arguably the biggest, baddest RB in this year draft class. We are gonna convert a BIG QB into a BIG WR. Our T's are behemouths. Heck, we don't even use our FB as a offensive weapon, just as a lead blocker.......Etc etc etc.

    Was it fun to watch the Noodle slinging it all over the field? Sure, but it is also just as fun watching AD shove it down peoples throat Sunday after Sunday.

    When TJ (or any other QB) takes over this team, it will revert back to a run on first down, run on second down, dink dunk on 3rd if you don't think you can get the first by running.
    I agree we are built for the run but have gotten significantly better weapons for the passing game and with the right QB could be a very balanced and scary team.

    Good post my friend!
    Thanks. Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn he he looks long enough.

    I know he isn't real popular, but just for one second, put TJ in that offense, especially on a rollout.

    Is he gonna run, is he gonna pass, who shadows him etc etc etc.

    If, and I know its a big if, we are right and he has matured enough to make the correct decision, this can be a damn scary defense and I'm not talking about long deep passes either. I'm talking about a offense that will dictate to a defense whether that be via the pass or via the run.
    I have said before and will say again if Favre retires I hope TJ starts. I want this over I am so tired of he has matured or he is not starter material I really just want it over one way or the other. My feelings are he will never be a starter but I would like to see him get another chance. But if he plays well the TJ sniffers will be "I told you so" If he fails it will be someone elses fault. I just want it over.
    I think you will find that the "I told you so's" will be mostly directed at just a few posters who really took a stance one way or another.

    On a side note, even if he does start, and performs well, there will still be times/games were he will struggle regardless of how competent he is.

    Those instances will allow for the other side to poke back with a few "I told you so's" of thier own.
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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB pla

    Marrdro wrote:
    tarkenton10 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    tarkenton10 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    tarkenton10 wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    I heard a very interesting quote from Bill Walsh, went something like this:

    'When we were leading the league in passing, we were often also leading the league in scoring. When we led the league in rushing, we were 12th in scoring'

    What does that tell you? That was back in the 90's as well, the game has evolved since then even to be even more passing oriented.

    Chilly's initial philosophy, Run the ball and stop the run doesn't really work in todays day and age.

    Looking over the past bunch of Superbowl winners since 2000

    Ravens*, Patriots, Bucs, Patriots, Patriots, Steelers*, Colts, Giants, Steelers, Saints

    only two of those teams were 'run and stop the run' philosophies. The rest of them won with balanced or heavy passing offenses.

    The top three quarterbacks in the league have combined for five superbowls already.

    another popular cliche is 'defense wins championships', which is true, but more importantly quarterbacks win championships.

    sometimes if your D is truly good enough, and I mean some of the best ever, or at least best in the league (Bears, Steelers, Patriots), you can carry a young or mediocre QB. HOwever, Once Brady matured more, he was leading that team, and their steller defense just sealed the deal. Manning manges to win without a Defense, Brad johnson was still pretty decent in Tampa, and Eli & the Giants O had their way with the Pats.
    The trouble is we don't have a Brady if Favre retires. You have to use your talent to the best of THEIR ability. Our best players led us to a running game. Now we have drafted Rice, Harvin and traded for Shank but we still do not have a Fanchise QB without Favre. That's like having a ferrarri in your driveway but no keys. Franchise QBs are not easy to find; there are only a few in the league. If we lose Favre we will again be run heavy when gameplanning mark my words my friend (Marrdrroeze)
    Good stuff my friend (tarkenton10eze), just one comment/discussion point.

    As you said, we should use our talent to the best of THIER ability. Isn't most of our talent on this team geared to support the running game?

    Even our WR's are lauded as the top of the class when it comes to downfield blocking. Our best TE is a true "Inline" TE who can run block just as well as he can catch passes. Our OL is taught the ZBing scheme which is geared to exploit the run game. We just drafted arguably the biggest, baddest RB in this year draft class. We are gonna convert a BIG QB into a BIG WR. Our T's are behemouths. Heck, we don't even use our FB as a offensive weapon, just as a lead blocker.......Etc etc etc.

    Was it fun to watch the Noodle slinging it all over the field? Sure, but it is also just as fun watching AD shove it down peoples throat Sunday after Sunday.

    When TJ (or any other QB) takes over this team, it will revert back to a run on first down, run on second down, dink dunk on 3rd if you don't think you can get the first by running.
    I agree we are built for the run but have gotten significantly better weapons for the passing game and with the right QB could be a very balanced and scary team.

    Good post my friend!
    Thanks. Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn he he looks long enough.

    I know he isn't real popular, but just for one second, put TJ in that offense, especially on a rollout.

    Is he gonna run, is he gonna pass, who shadows him etc etc etc.

    If, and I know its a big if, we are right and he has matured enough to make the correct decision, this can be a damn scary defense and I'm not talking about long deep passes either. I'm talking about a offense that will dictate to a defense whether that be via the pass or via the run.
    I have said before and will say again if Favre retires I hope TJ starts. I want this over I am so tired of he has matured or he is not starter material I really just want it over one way or the other. My feelings are he will never be a starter but I would like to see him get another chance. But if he plays well the TJ sniffers will be "I told you so" If he fails it will be someone elses fault. I just want it over.
    I think you will find that the "I told you so's" will be mostly directed at just a few posters who really took a stance one way or another.

    On a side note, even if he does start, and performs well, there will still be times/games were he will struggle regardless of how competent he is.

    Those instances will allow for the other side to poke back with a few "I told you so's" of thier own.
    Which brings the discussion full circle. He will have a few good games and a few horrible games if he plays anything like he has in the past. I don't think anyone wants to see him fail, they just can't say logically if he will fail or if he will succeed until he gets the reigns again and shows us. One thing for sure, there will be people pulling things out of context from previous threads and trying to pin 'i told you sos' no matter what happens.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

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    Re:Tom Powers:Do the Vikings have long-term QB pla

    Prophet wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    tarkenton10 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    tarkenton10 wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    tarkenton10 wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    I heard a very interesting quote from Bill Walsh, went something like this:

    'When we were leading the league in passing, we were often also leading the league in scoring. When we led the league in rushing, we were 12th in scoring'

    What does that tell you? That was back in the 90's as well, the game has evolved since then even to be even more passing oriented.

    Chilly's initial philosophy, Run the ball and stop the run doesn't really work in todays day and age.

    Looking over the past bunch of Superbowl winners since 2000

    Ravens*, Patriots, Bucs, Patriots, Patriots, Steelers*, Colts, Giants, Steelers, Saints

    only two of those teams were 'run and stop the run' philosophies. The rest of them won with balanced or heavy passing offenses.

    The top three quarterbacks in the league have combined for five superbowls already.

    another popular cliche is 'defense wins championships', which is true, but more importantly quarterbacks win championships.

    sometimes if your D is truly good enough, and I mean some of the best ever, or at least best in the league (Bears, Steelers, Patriots), you can carry a young or mediocre QB. HOwever, Once Brady matured more, he was leading that team, and their steller defense just sealed the deal. Manning manges to win without a Defense, Brad johnson was still pretty decent in Tampa, and Eli & the Giants O had their way with the Pats.
    The trouble is we don't have a Brady if Favre retires. You have to use your talent to the best of THEIR ability. Our best players led us to a running game. Now we have drafted Rice, Harvin and traded for Shank but we still do not have a Fanchise QB without Favre. That's like having a ferrarri in your driveway but no keys. Franchise QBs are not easy to find; there are only a few in the league. If we lose Favre we will again be run heavy when gameplanning mark my words my friend (Marrdrroeze)
    Good stuff my friend (tarkenton10eze), just one comment/discussion point.

    As you said, we should use our talent to the best of THIER ability. Isn't most of our talent on this team geared to support the running game?

    Even our WR's are lauded as the top of the class when it comes to downfield blocking. Our best TE is a true "Inline" TE who can run block just as well as he can catch passes. Our OL is taught the ZBing scheme which is geared to exploit the run game. We just drafted arguably the biggest, baddest RB in this year draft class. We are gonna convert a BIG QB into a BIG WR. Our T's are behemouths. Heck, we don't even use our FB as a offensive weapon, just as a lead blocker.......Etc etc etc.

    Was it fun to watch the Noodle slinging it all over the field? Sure, but it is also just as fun watching AD shove it down peoples throat Sunday after Sunday.

    When TJ (or any other QB) takes over this team, it will revert back to a run on first down, run on second down, dink dunk on 3rd if you don't think you can get the first by running.
    I agree we are built for the run but have gotten significantly better weapons for the passing game and with the right QB could be a very balanced and scary team.

    Good post my friend!
    Thanks. Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn he he looks long enough.

    I know he isn't real popular, but just for one second, put TJ in that offense, especially on a rollout.

    Is he gonna run, is he gonna pass, who shadows him etc etc etc.

    If, and I know its a big if, we are right and he has matured enough to make the correct decision, this can be a damn scary defense and I'm not talking about long deep passes either. I'm talking about a offense that will dictate to a defense whether that be via the pass or via the run.
    I have said before and will say again if Favre retires I hope TJ starts. I want this over I am so tired of he has matured or he is not starter material I really just want it over one way or the other. My feelings are he will never be a starter but I would like to see him get another chance. But if he plays well the TJ sniffers will be "I told you so" If he fails it will be someone elses fault. I just want it over.
    I think you will find that the "I told you so's" will be mostly directed at just a few posters who really took a stance one way or another.

    On a side note, even if he does start, and performs well, there will still be times/games were he will struggle regardless of how competent he is.

    Those instances will allow for the other side to poke back with a few "I told you so's" of thier own.
    Which brings the discussion full circle. He will have a few good games and a few horrible games if he plays anything like he has in the past. I don't think anyone wants to see him fail, they just can't say logically if he will fail or if he will succeed until he gets the reigns again and shows us. One thing for sure, there will be people pulling things out of context from previous threads and trying to pin 'i told you sos' no matter what happens.
    You can put me firmly in the "I hope he succeeds, but I don't think he will" category.

    Caine

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