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    Re: Time to make a decision

    "whackthepack" wrote:
    "fromos" wrote:
    "Ltrey33" wrote:
    I think a local sales tax is a great way to pay for the stadium.
    Only if the only thing you tax is sales of Vikings tickets and merchandise. Not everybody watches or follows the Vikings, and IMO the people who don't shouldn't be taxed for it.

    Please be realistic:

    I was taxed to build a new 50 million dollar library downtown Minneapolis.

    I was taxed to build a new Guthrie Theatre for 100 million dollars.

    I was taxed to give Northwest airlines 750 million dollars that was supposed to be a loan, they haven't paid it back and want to discharge it in their bankruptcy.

    How about the cross country ski trails in Minnesota trails, I do not cross country ski.

    how about all the ice skating rinks, I do not ice skate anymore.

    How about public education, I have no kids that are in the public education system.

    How about the welfare and low income assistants programs.

    How about the tax subsidies for the Mall OF America and the Tax breaks for the new Best Buy campus.



    All of these are thing that I do not use, should I not be able to vote on them directly?


    Answer: NO

    We elect people to represent us, and they should make the decision on if it is beneficial to the state and local governments. If you do not like their decision, than do not support them in their next election and support their opponent.

    Best post I have seen in a long time ... :thumbleft:

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    Re: Time to make a decision

    "whackthepack" wrote:
    "fromos" wrote:
    "Ltrey33" wrote:
    I think a local sales tax is a great way to pay for the stadium.
    Only if the only thing you tax is sales of Vikings tickets and merchandise. Not everybody watches or follows the Vikings, and IMO the people who don't shouldn't be taxed for it.

    Please be realistic:

    I was taxed to build a new 50 million dollar library downtown Minneapolis.

    I was taxed to build a new Guthrie Theatre for 100 million dollars.

    I was taxed to give Northwest airlines 750 million dollars that was supposed to be a loan, they haven't paid it back and want to discharge it in their bankruptcy.

    How about the cross country ski trails in Minnesota trails, I do not cross country ski.

    how about all the ice skating rinks, I do not ice skate anymore.

    How about public education, I have no kids that are in the public education system.

    How about the welfare and low income assistants programs.

    How about the tax subsidies for the Mall OF America and the Tax breaks for the new Best Buy campus.



    All of these are thing that I do not use, should I not be able to vote on them directly?


    Answer: NO

    We elect people to represent us, and they should make the decision on if it is beneficial to the state and local governments. If you do not like their decision, than do not support them in their next election and support their opponent.
    I'll hop on your knob aswell, nice post!
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    Re: Time to make a decision

    Now I can understand why a MLB Baseball team would get more consideration then a NFL Football team would. What I don't understand is why in the hell would a college team be given more consideration then both a Pro Baseball, and Pro Football team?

    If anything, the Gophers should be last on that list, not first. It should be the Twins, Vikings, and then the Gophers. The Twins only because they play alot more games per season then the Vikings do. Glad I don't have to debate over that issue..

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    Re: Time to make a decision

    "whackthepack" wrote:
    "fromos" wrote:
    "Ltrey33" wrote:
    I think a local sales tax is a great way to pay for the stadium.
    Only if the only thing you tax is sales of Vikings tickets and merchandise. Not everybody watches or follows the Vikings, and IMO the people who don't shouldn't be taxed for it.

    Please be realistic:

    I was taxed to build a new 50 million dollar library downtown Minneapolis.

    I was taxed to build a new Guthrie Theatre for 100 million dollars.

    I was taxed to give Northwest airlines 750 million dollars that was supposed to be a loan, they haven't paid it back and want to discharge it in their bankruptcy.

    How about the cross country ski trails in Minnesota trails, I do not cross country ski.

    how about all the ice skating rinks, I do not ice skate anymore.

    How about public education, I have no kids that are in the public education system.

    How about the welfare and low income assistants programs.

    How about the tax subsidies for the Mall OF America and the Tax breaks for the new Best Buy campus.



    All of these are thing that I do not use, should I not be able to vote on them directly?


    Answer: NO

    We elect people to represent us, and they should make the decision on if it is beneficial to the state and local governments. If you do not like their decision, than do not support them in their next election and support their opponent.
    Finally someone who understands how taxes work ... and in the same breath does not b!tch and moan about paying them.
    We do elect these officials to represent us ... and the point of taxes is to generate revenue for those elected officials to use FOR THE GREATER GOOD ... if they determine a library or keeping airlines afloat is the greater good so be it ... we can elect new officials if it upsets enough of us ...
    There are plenty of times things are done with corruption and that make no sense ... so don't jump down my throat on that ... but as a whole taxes are paid to BETTER MAN and be for the greater good and if they don't think the stadium is such ... then it will not be built ... it is up to enough Vikes fans to show that it would be a huge benefit to enough people to have a new stadium ... so that it outweighs the people that it will not affect.

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    Re: Time to make a decision

    "whackthepack" wrote:
    We elect people to represent us, and they should make the decision on if it is beneficial to the state and local governments. If you do not like their decision, than do not support them in their next election and support their opponent.
    Great post, my man.

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    Re: Time to make a decision

    "VikesfaninWis" wrote:
    Now I can understand why a MLB Baseball team would get more consideration then a NFL Football team would. What I don't understand is why in the hell would a college team be given more consideration then both a Pro Baseball, and Pro Football team?

    If anything, the Gophers should be last on that list, not first. It should be the Twins, Vikings, and then the Gophers. The Twins only because they play alot more games per season then the Vikings do. Glad I don't have to debate over that issue..
    The most obvious answer is that the University of Minnesota serves the entire state - as a state-owned/run/operated institution. Compared to the rest of the Big10/11 stadiums, the Dome is a joke. Revenue from Gopher football games serves to provide opportunities for many other sports at the U - revenue from the Twinkies or Vikes serves to line the pockets of Carl Pohlad and Zygi Wilf.

    That said - all three are desperately needed if the Twin Cities want to be a premium city. The University, of course, won't leave for a better deal - but it's a real possibility for the Twins and Vikes.

    =Z=

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    Re: Time to make a decision

    And remember the Gophers got their act together and submitted a viable proposal before the Twins and the Vikings.

    First come, first served. It's only fair really.

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    Re: Time to make a decision

    "AWZeus" wrote:
    "VikesfaninWis" wrote:
    Now I can understand why a MLB Baseball team would get more consideration then a NFL Football team would. What I don't understand is why in the hell would a college team be given more consideration then both a Pro Baseball, and Pro Football team?

    If anything, the Gophers should be last on that list, not first. It should be the Twins, Vikings, and then the Gophers. The Twins only because they play alot more games per season then the Vikings do. Glad I don't have to debate over that issue..
    The most obvious answer is that the University of Minnesota serves the entire state - as a state-owned/run/operated institution. Compared to the rest of the Big10/11 stadiums, the Dome is a joke. Revenue from Gopher football games serves to provide opportunities for many other sports at the U - revenue from the Twinkies or Vikes serves to line the pockets of Carl Pohlad and Zygi Wilf.

    That said - all three are desperately needed if the Twin Cities want to be a premium city. The University, of course, won't leave for a better deal - but it's a real possibility for the Twins and Vikes.

    =Z=
    Don't worry. The state definitely gets their share of the pie from stadiums & everything sold in it. Including ticket sales. Multiply that times 60,000. :wink:

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    Re: Time to make a decision

    "whackthepack" wrote:
    "fromos" wrote:
    "Ltrey33" wrote:
    I think a local sales tax is a great way to pay for the stadium.
    Only if the only thing you tax is sales of Vikings tickets and merchandise. Not everybody watches or follows the Vikings, and IMO the people who don't shouldn't be taxed for it.

    Please be realistic:

    I was taxed to build a new 50 million dollar library downtown Minneapolis.

    I was taxed to build a new Guthrie Theatre for 100 million dollars.

    I was taxed to give Northwest airlines 750 million dollars that was supposed to be a loan, they haven't paid it back and want to discharge it in their bankruptcy.

    How about the cross country ski trails in Minnesota trails, I do not cross country ski.

    how about all the ice skating rinks, I do not ice skate anymore.

    How about public education, I have no kids that are in the public education system.

    How about the welfare and low income assistants programs.

    How about the tax subsidies for the Mall OF America and the Tax breaks for the new Best Buy campus.



    All of these are thing that I do not use, should I not be able to vote on them directly?


    Answer: NO

    We elect people to represent us, and they should make the decision on if it is beneficial to the state and local governments. If you do not like their decision, than do not support them in their next election and support their opponent.
    I used to live in Michigan just north of Ann Arbor. My house taxes were so high for schools that it was insane. At the same point we had 2 trailer parks in the area in which the kids came from. They paid about $50 a year for the schools and since I owned a house with no kids I paid $3200 a year. Wow that's great since I'm sure that TPT kid will put money in my pocket. I'd gladaly pay money for a stadium which brings people in and ups the value of the area itself. People need to look at the big picture. Drives me NUTS!

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    Re: Time to make a decision

    As a Masonry business owner I can see both sides of the arguement on the stadium issue. Taxes are always rising and we pay for alot of things that we may not use ourselves. On the otherside the revenue generated from construction and jobs is too much too be overlooked. We are paying higher fuel prices at the pump every day. Oil companies are recording record profits but yet a 3 cent increase on every $20.00 spent is a very small price to pay for the revenue and jobs generated along with the entertainment value of a new stadium. I think it's time for local government to step up to the plate and get this thing done and not further give the State of MN a black eye.

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