Is it time to eye the record books yet?

**singersp** · 05-08-2008, 08:03 PM

"VikingsTw" wrote:

LMAO at whoever said the defenses have AD's number! We have been seeing stacked boxes for two years straight, we have had no problem running against stacked boxes most of time. Reason being is supreme blocking from our TE's, Shancoe, Klinny, our FB in Tony Richardson and our WR's, Wade and Furgy did an outstanding job.

If we continue to see stacked boxes it will be up to the front line to stay consistent, last year we lost that consistency and Peterson's #'s dropped.

That would be me. Here are AD's YDs & AVG since the 296 yard Bears game.

10 11/11
GB

45

4.1
13 12/02
DET
116
7.7
14 12/09
SF

14

3 .0
15 12/17
CHI
78
3.9
16 12/23
WAS 27

3.0
17 12/30
DEN
36

3.3

Here's Taylors in those same games

10 11/11
GB

37
12.3
13 12/02
DET
70

5.0
14 12/09
SF
101
12.6
15 12/17
CHI
31

6.2
16 12/23
WAS 14

2.3
17 12/30
DEN
83

8.3

If it was a matter of just inconsistent blocking & assuming AD is as good a RB or better than Taylor, then one would expect AD's Avg per carry to be as good or better than Taylors in any given game.

With the exception of the DET & WAS games, It is not. There was a 2.7 difference in the DET game, but only a 0.7 difference in the WAS game.

We may have faced stacked boxes before, but last year their main focus was on AD when he was in the backfield & they keyed on him.

I don't expect that to change until or passing threat forces their hand.

**jkjuggalo** · 05-08-2008, 08:11 PM

I think TJack will break Manning's TD record this year

**nailhead77** · 05-08-2008, 09:00 PM

"jkjuggalo" wrote:

I think TJack will break Manning's TD record this year

lmao ;D
whatever you've been smokin.........got any more?

**Marrdro** · 05-08-2008, 09:43 PM

"singersp" wrote:

"VikingsTw" wrote:

LMAO at whoever said the defenses have AD's number! We have been seeing stacked boxes for two years straight, we have had no problem running against stacked boxes most of time. Reason being is supreme blocking from our TE's, Shancoe, Klinny, our FB in Tony Richardson and our WR's, Wade and Furgy did an outstanding job.

If we continue to see stacked boxes it will be up to the front line to stay consistent, last year we lost that consistency and Peterson's #'s dropped.

That would be me. Here are AD's YDs & AVG since the 296 yard Bears game.

10 11/11

GB

45

4.1
13 12/02

DET
116
7.7
14 12/09

SF

14

3 .0
15 12/17

CHI

78

3.9
16 12/23

WAS 27

3.0
17 12/30

DEN
36

3.3

Here's Taylors in those same games

10 11/11

GB

37
12.3
13 12/02

DET

70

5.0
14 12/09

SF

101

12.6
15 12/17

CHI

31

6.2
16 12/23

WAS 14

2.3
17 12/30

DEN
83

8.3

If it was a matter of just inconsistent blocking & assuming AD is as good a RB or better than Taylor, then one would expect AD's Avg per carry to be as good or better than Taylors in any given game.

With the exception of the DET & WAS games, It is not. There was a 2.7 difference in the DET game, but only a 0.7 difference in the WAS game.

We may have faced stacked boxes before, but last year their main focus was on AD when he was in the backfield & they keyed on him.

I don't expect that to change until or passing threat forces their hand.

Or AD becomes a better pass blocker so that we aren't a one dimensional team with AD in there.

Truth of the matter is, and all the AD crotchsniffers will instantly go up in arms over this, because he had issues (all rookie RB's do) with pass blocking we were pretty one dimensional with him in there.

As the numbers that Singer provided indicate (CT vs AD), when the Defenses have to play both the pass and the run (regardless of inept our QB/WR were last year) the OL provided ample room for the RB to get yards.

**midgensa** · 05-08-2008, 09:47 PM

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"VikingsTw" wrote:

LMAO at whoever said the defenses have AD's number! We have been seeing stacked boxes for two years straight, we have had no problem running against stacked boxes most of time. Reason being is supreme blocking from our TE's, Shancoe, Klinny, our FB in Tony Richardson and our WR's, Wade and Furgy did an outstanding job.

If we continue to see stacked boxes it will be up to the front line to stay consistent, last year we lost that consistency and Peterson's #'s dropped.

That would be me. Here are AD's YDs & AVG since the 296 yard Bears game.

10 11/11

GB

45

4.1
13 12/02

DET
116
7.7
14 12/09

SF

14

3 .0
15 12/17

CHI

78

3.9
16 12/23

WAS 27

3.0
17 12/30

DEN
36

3.3

Here's Taylors in those same games

10 11/11

GB

37
12.3
13 12/02

DET

70

5.0
14 12/09

SF

101

12.6
15 12/17

CHI

31

6.2
16 12/23

WAS 14

2.3
17 12/30

DEN
83

8.3

If it was a matter of just inconsistent blocking & assuming AD is as good a RB or better than Taylor, then one would expect AD's Avg per carry to be as good or better than Taylors in any given game.

With the exception of the DET & WAS games, It is not. There was a 2.7 difference in the DET game, but only a 0.7 difference in the WAS game.

We may have faced stacked boxes before, but last year their main focus was on AD when he was in the backfield & they keyed on him.

I don't expect that to change until or passing threat forces their hand.

Or AD becomes a better pass blocker so that we aren't a one dimensional team with AD in there.

Truth of the matter is, and all the AD crotchsniffers will instantly go up in arms over this, because he had issues (all rookie RB's do) with pass blocking we were pretty one dimensional with him in there.

As the numbers that Singer provided indicate (CT vs AD), when the Defenses have to play both the pass and the run (regardless of inept our QB/WR were last year) the OL provided ample room for the RB to get yards.

Adrian's pass blocking is definitely huge issue that was likely addressed in the offseason. Chester is not known as a great blocker either, but he is a veteran and at least seems to know what he is doing back there, so when he is in there is a lot more of a chance that there can be passes or play-action passes.
With All Day in, you cannot pass as effectively and it is fairly well know. Hopefully after one year under his belt he will improve in this area. I think people would be surprised how AD being able to block would make our offense that much better.

**Marrdro** · 05-08-2008, 09:50 PM

"midgensa" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"VikingsTw" wrote:

LMAO at whoever said the defenses have AD's number! We have been seeing stacked boxes for two years straight, we have had no problem running against stacked boxes most of time. Reason being is supreme blocking from our TE's, Shancoe, Klinny, our FB in Tony Richardson and our WR's, Wade and Furgy did an outstanding job.

If we continue to see stacked boxes it will be up to the front line to stay consistent, last year we lost that consistency and Peterson's #'s dropped.

That would be me. Here are AD's YDs & AVG since the 296 yard Bears game.

10 11/11

GB

45

4.1
13 12/02

DET
116
7.7
14 12/09

SF

14

3 .0
15 12/17

CHI

78

3.9
16 12/23

WAS 27

3.0
17 12/30

DEN
36

3.3

Here's Taylors in those same games

10 11/11

GB

37
12.3
13 12/02

DET

70

5.0
14 12/09

SF

101

12.6
15 12/17

CHI

31

6.2
16 12/23

WAS 14

2.3
17 12/30

DEN
83

8.3

If it was a matter of just inconsistent blocking & assuming AD is as good a RB or better than Taylor, then one would expect AD's Avg per carry to be as good or better than Taylors in any given game.

With the exception of the DET & WAS games, It is not. There was a 2.7 difference in the DET game, but only a 0.7 difference in the WAS game.

We may have faced stacked boxes before, but last year their main focus was on AD when he was in the backfield & they keyed on him.

I don't expect that to change until or passing threat forces their hand.

Or AD becomes a better pass blocker so that we aren't a one dimensional team with AD in there.

Truth of the matter is, and all the AD crotchsniffers will instantly go up in arms over this, because he had issues (all rookie RB's do) with pass blocking we were pretty one dimensional with him in there.

As the numbers that Singer provided indicate (CT vs AD), when the Defenses have to play both the pass and the run (regardless of inept our QB/WR were last year) the OL provided ample room for the RB to get yards.

Adrian's pass blocking is definitely huge issue that was likely addressed in the offseason. Chester is not known as a great blocker either, but he is a veteran and at least seems to know what he is doing back there, so when he is in there is a lot more of a chance that there can be passes or play-action passes.
With All Day in, you cannot pass as effectively and it is fairly well know. Hopefully after one year under his belt he will improve in this area. I think people would be surprised how AD being able to block would make our offense that much better.

Excellent post my friend.

I am sure that he is sitting in some of the same film study sessions TJ, Birk and the rest of the Backs and TE's are in looking at what was done wrong/right last year.

I expect we will see alot of improvement in that area this year.
;D

**kevoncox** · 05-08-2008, 09:52 PM

"Marrdro" wrote:

"midgensa" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"VikingsTw" wrote:

LMAO at whoever said the defenses have AD's number! We have been seeing stacked boxes for two years straight, we have had no problem running against stacked boxes most of time. Reason being is supreme blocking from our TE's, Shancoe, Klinny, our FB in Tony Richardson and our WR's, Wade and Furgy did an outstanding job.

If we continue to see stacked boxes it will be up to the front line to stay consistent, last year we lost that consistency and Peterson's #'s dropped.

That would be me. Here are AD's YDs & AVG since the 296 yard Bears game.

10 11/11

GB

45

4.1
13 12/02

DET
116
7.7
14 12/09

SF

14

3 .0
15 12/17

CHI

78

3.9
16 12/23

WAS 27

3.0
17 12/30

DEN
36

3.3

Here's Taylors in those same games

10 11/11

GB

37
12.3
13 12/02

DET

70

5.0
14 12/09

SF

101

12.6
15 12/17

CHI

31

6.2
16 12/23

WAS 14

2.3
17 12/30

DEN
83

8.3

If it was a matter of just inconsistent blocking & assuming AD is as good a RB or better than Taylor, then one would expect AD's Avg per carry to be as good or better than Taylors in any given game.

With the exception of the DET & WAS games, It is not. There was a 2.7 difference in the DET game, but only a 0.7 difference in the WAS game.

We may have faced stacked boxes before, but last year their main focus was on AD when he was in the backfield & they keyed on him.

I don't expect that to change until or passing threat forces their hand.

Or AD becomes a better pass blocker so that we aren't a one dimensional team with AD in there.

Truth of the matter is, and all the AD crotchsniffers will instantly go up in arms over this, because he had issues (all rookie RB's do) with pass blocking we were pretty one dimensional with him in there.

As the numbers that Singer provided indicate (CT vs AD), when the Defenses have to play both the pass and the run (regardless of inept our QB/WR were last year) the OL provided ample room for the RB to get yards.

Adrian's pass blocking is definitely huge issue that was likely addressed in the offseason. Chester is not known as a great blocker either, but he is a veteran and at least seems to know what he is doing back there, so when he is in there is a lot more of a chance that there can be passes or play-action passes.
With All Day in, you cannot pass as effectively and it is fairly well know. Hopefully after one year under his belt he will improve in this area. I think people would be surprised how AD being able to block would make our offense that much better.

Excellent post my friend.

I am sure that he is sitting in some of the same film study sessions TJ, Birk and the rest of the Backs and TE's are in looking at what was done wrong/right last year.

I expect we will see alot of improvement in that area this year.

;D

Marr,
I don't think I have ever really gotten this answer from you. Why, with the game on the line, are we leaving AD in to block. Why is he not running a flare, that has worked so well or motioning out as a slot receiver. He's our bes home run threat.

**Purple Floyd** · 05-08-2008, 10:14 PM

"kevoncox" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"midgensa" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

[quote author=VikingsTw link=topic=44771.msg776590#msg776590 date=1210293471]
LMAO at whoever said the defenses have AD's number! We have been seeing stacked boxes for two years straight, we have had no problem running against stacked boxes most of time. Reason being is supreme blocking from our TE's, Shancoe, Klinny, our FB in Tony Richardson and our WR's, Wade and Furgy did an outstanding job.

If we continue to see stacked boxes it will be up to the front line to stay consistent, last year we lost that consistency and Peterson's #'s dropped.

That would be me. Here are AD's YDs & AVG since the 296 yard Bears game.

10 11/11
GB

45

4.1
13 12/02
DET
116
7.7
14 12/09
SF

14

3 .0
15 12/17
CHI
78
3.9
16 12/23
WAS 27

3.0
17 12/30
DEN
36

3.3

Here's Taylors in those same games

10 11/11
GB

37
12.3
13 12/02
DET
70

5.0
14 12/09
SF
101
12.6
15 12/17
CHI
31

6.2
16 12/23
WAS 14

2.3
17 12/30
DEN
83

8.3

If it was a matter of just inconsistent blocking & assuming AD is as good a RB or better than Taylor, then one would expect AD's Avg per carry to be as good or better than Taylors in any given game.

With the exception of the DET & WAS games, It is not. There was a 2.7 difference in the DET game, but only a 0.7 difference in the WAS game.

We may have faced stacked boxes before, but last year their main focus was on AD when he was in the backfield & they keyed on him.

I don't expect that to change until or passing threat forces their hand.

Or AD becomes a better pass blocker so that we aren't a one dimensional team with AD in there.

Truth of the matter is, and all the AD crotchsniffers will instantly go up in arms over this, because he had issues (all rookie RB's do) with pass blocking we were pretty one dimensional with him in there.

As the numbers that Singer provided indicate (CT vs AD), when the Defenses have to play both the pass and the run (regardless of inept our QB/WR were last year) the OL provided ample room for the RB to get yards.

Adrian's pass blocking is definitely huge issue that was likely addressed in the offseason. Chester is not known as a great blocker either, but he is a veteran and at least seems to know what he is doing back there, so when he is in there is a lot more of a chance that there can be passes or play-action passes.
With All Day in, you cannot pass as effectively and it is fairly well know. Hopefully after one year under his belt he will improve in this area. I think people would be surprised how AD being able to block would make our offense that much better.

Excellent post my friend.

I am sure that he is sitting in some of the same film study sessions TJ, Birk and the rest of the Backs and TE's are in looking at what was done wrong/right last year.

I expect we will see alot of improvement in that area this year.
;D

Marr,
I don't think I have ever really gotten this answer from you. Why, with the game on the line, are we leaving AD in to block. Why is he not running a flare, that has worked so well or motioning out as a slot receiver. He's our bes home run threat.
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I actually think that is a great idea. Instead of keeping him in to block, send him into the flat where the D will have to send a LB to cover him.