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    Re: Tarvaris' two starts

    "OchoCinco" wrote:
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    "tastywaves" wrote:
    Looking at the past doesn't always tell you what the future will hold.
    Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    You cannot name a "Running" QB who has won a Super Bowl.
    The ultimate prize belongs to the QBs who stay within the pocket and make the throws.
    Wasn't Steve Young considered a scrambling quarterback?
    Fran got to four, but of course never won one...
    Steve Young was considered a QB with good feet, for sure, but in 1994, the year he won a Super Bowl as starter he rushed only 58 times (less than 4 times a game) for 293 yards (approx 5 YPC) while passing for nearly 4000 yards with a 70% completion rate and 35 TDs on 10 picks.

    Thems ain't "Running QB" stats.
    Them's WCO surgeon stats.

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    Re: Tarvaris' two starts

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    [quote author=tastywaves link=topic=36007.msg607615#msg607615 date=1185390362]
    You go V!
    Vince Young was the reason why Tennessee turned around their season.
    He deserved ROY.
    No he's not at the level of the great ones yet, but hey, its only been one year.
    He's a competitor and a winner.
    He has composure under pressure and rises to the occasion, this my friends is what makes a great athlete.
    His running abiity helps
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    Why give V a "You go!" when you agree with my point?
    Vince Young isn't "Great"?

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    I said he's not one of the greats yet, but he was definitely more than adequate last year.
    Vince has a lot to learn to be an overall QB with lasting power and he won't get by with the same approach to the game that he had last year.
    However, he did deserve ROY, he was the single biggest reason for the turnaround season in Tennessee.
    That's got to be worth more than an adequate.


    I don't know if there was ever a rookie QB that you could call "great".
    How about Ben Roethisberger? he won a superbowl in his rookie season... also had a 98 qb rating

    http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/493043
    Sorry tb, I'm not a fan of Ben.
    Roethlisberger was "adequate".
    He had a supporting staff much better than Vince.
    The only thing Ben had to do was "not lose" the games.
    He had a good TD to INT ratio because he wasn't put in a position where he had to go out and win games.
    I will give him kudos for being a rookie and showing a lot of poise though.

    We saw the real Ben last year, and will see it even more this year.

    On the Daunte point.
    First year as a starter is much different than coming in as a rookie.
    im no fan of ben either but all of you like the W-L stat better than anything so i thought id share.. and ben had a 98 passer rating and 66.4% completion percentage he threw 60 less times and had 600 more yards, so your just going to throw those numbers out because of his team??? puuhhlease
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    I wasn't focused on the W-L record as much as I was trying to point out his impact on the outcome of the game.
    To understand Vince, you have to watch him play, not just look at the stats.

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    Re: Tarvaris' two starts

    "Zeus" wrote:
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    "Zeus" wrote:
    "tastywaves" wrote:
    Looking at the past doesn't always tell you what the future will hold.
    Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    You cannot name a "Running" QB who has won a Super Bowl.
    The ultimate prize belongs to the QBs who stay within the pocket and make the throws.
    Wasn't Steve Young considered a scrambling quarterback?
    Fran got to four, but of course never won one...
    Steve Young was considered a QB with good feet, for sure, but in 1994, the year he won a Super Bowl as starter he rushed only 58 times (less than 4 times a game) for 293 yards (approx 5 YPC) while passing for nearly 4000 yards with a 70% completion rate and 35 TDs on 10 picks.

    Thems ain't "Running QB" stats.
    Them's WCO surgeon stats.

    =Z=
    Point taken...lot's of runners got 2 the superbowl though, I don't really consider T-Jack a runner though, more of a Steve McNair type with a nice arm, and runs only when forced 2.

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    Re: Tarvaris' two starts

    "tb04512" wrote:
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    Running QBs can't win Super Bowls.
    Dome Teams can't win Super Bowls.


    Oh...shit.
    did you watch the last superbowl?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Biyx-UPrYf4

    Hmm I remember this running QB
    won a SB or 2.

    Ohh the pain at the 40 second mark. :'(

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    Re: Tarvaris' two starts

    "OchoCinco" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
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    "Zeus" wrote:
    "tastywaves" wrote:
    Looking at the past doesn't always tell you what the future will hold.
    Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    You cannot name a "Running" QB who has won a Super Bowl.
    The ultimate prize belongs to the QBs who stay within the pocket and make the throws.
    Wasn't Steve Young considered a scrambling quarterback?
    Fran got to four, but of course never won one...
    Steve Young was considered a QB with good feet, for sure, but in 1994, the year he won a Super Bowl as starter he rushed only 58 times (less than 4 times a game) for 293 yards (approx 5 YPC) while passing for nearly 4000 yards with a 70% completion rate and 35 TDs on 10 picks.

    Thems ain't "Running QB" stats.
    Them's WCO surgeon stats.
    Point taken...lot's of runners got 2 the superbowl though, I don't really consider T-Jack a runner though, more of a Steve McNair type with a nice arm, and runs only when forced 2.
    I don't consider Tarvaris to be a "running QB", either.
    That wasn't his style in college (we're led to believe) and that didn't appear to be his style in the limited action he saw last season.

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