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    Re: Tarkenton to Zygi: "Play Joe Webb"

    singersp wrote:
    dfosterf wrote:
    On the good news front, the Redskins pass D is playing pretty awful for the most part.

    I bet the Vikes crush the Redskins this week. It's a good matchup for you, no matter which QB is starting, imo
    And if we do beat a mediocre 0.500 team, some here will start talking "Wild Card" & "Super Bowl" again. LOL!

    Firing a coach won't suddenly propel us into playing like a playoff caliber team.

    Our 3 wins thus far;

    Cowboys 3-7
    Arizona 3-7
    Lions 2-8

    Anyone see a pattern?

    We haven't won a road game since Nov. 1, 1999

    We were 1-3 even with Randy Moss
    Let's add that a Viking team has NEVER beaten McNabb.

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    Re: Tarkenton to Zygi: "Play Joe Webb"

    ejmat wrote:
    singersp wrote:
    dfosterf wrote:
    On the good news front, the Redskins pass D is playing pretty awful for the most part.

    I bet the Vikes crush the Redskins this week. It's a good matchup for you, no matter which QB is starting, imo
    And if we do beat a mediocre 0.500 team, some here will start talking "Wild Card" & "Super Bowl" again. LOL!

    Firing a coach won't suddenly propel us into playing like a playoff caliber team.

    Our 3 wins thus far;

    Cowboys 3-7
    Arizona 3-7
    Lions 2-8

    Anyone see a pattern?

    We haven't won a road game since Nov. 1, 1999

    We were 1-3 even with Randy Moss
    Let's add that a Viking team has NEVER beaten McNabb.
    Mix in how our DL struggles with mobile QB's. And when I say Mobile I don't mean a runner. I just mean a guy who can move in the pocket or get out of it when he needs to.

    Sound like anyone on the Deadskins?
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    Re: Tarkenton to Zygi: "Play Joe Webb"

    Marrdro wrote:
    ejmat wrote:
    singersp wrote:
    dfosterf wrote:
    On the good news front, the Redskins pass D is playing pretty awful for the most part.

    I bet the Vikes crush the Redskins this week. It's a good matchup for you, no matter which QB is starting, imo
    And if we do beat a mediocre 0.500 team, some here will start talking "Wild Card" & "Super Bowl" again. LOL!

    Firing a coach won't suddenly propel us into playing like a playoff caliber team.

    Our 3 wins thus far;

    Cowboys 3-7
    Arizona 3-7
    Lions 2-8

    Anyone see a pattern?

    We haven't won a road game since Nov. 1, 1999

    We were 1-3 even with Randy Moss
    Let's add that a Viking team has NEVER beaten McNabb.
    Mix in how our DL struggles with mobile QB's. And when I say Mobile I don't mean a runner. I just mean a guy who can move in the pocket or get out of it when he needs to.

    Sound like anyone on the Deadskins?
    Let's also mix in how our OL sucks at pass protection

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    Re: Tarkenton to Zygi: "Play Joe Webb"

    Anyone but Favre is fine with me.
    What an ending to Favre's career, benched for rookie joe webb.

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    Re: Tarkenton to Zygi: "Play Joe Webb"

    singersp wrote:
    dfosterf wrote:
    On the good news front, the Redskins pass D is playing pretty awful for the most part.

    I bet the Vikes crush the Redskins this week. It's a good matchup for you, no matter which QB is starting, imo
    And if we do beat a mediocre 0.500 team, some here will start talking "Wild Card" & "Super Bowl" again. LOL!

    Firing a coach won't suddenly propel us into playing like a playoff caliber team.

    Our 3 wins thus far;

    Cowboys 3-7
    Arizona 3-7
    Lions 2-8

    Anyone see a pattern?

    We haven't won a road game since Nov. 1, 1999

    We were 1-3 even with Randy Moss
    Um, actually we beat the Redskins at Washington to open up the '06 season. And we won 4 road games last year. Not sure if that is a typo or not.
    Skol!
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    Re: Tarkenton to Zygi: "Play Joe Webb"

    singersp wrote:
    dfosterf wrote:
    On the good news front, the Redskins pass D is playing pretty awful for the most part.

    I bet the Vikes crush the Redskins this week. It's a good matchup for you, no matter which QB is starting, imo
    And if we do beat a mediocre 0.500 team, some here will start talking "Wild Card" & "Super Bowl" again. LOL!

    Firing a coach won't suddenly propel us into playing like a playoff caliber team.

    Our 3 wins thus far;

    Cowboys 3-7
    Arizona 3-7
    Lions 2-8

    Anyone see a pattern?

    We haven't won a road game since Nov. 1, 1999
    We were 1-3 even with Randy Moss


    WOW!

    How the hell did we go 12-4 last year?

    Guess we played 12 home games.

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    Re: Tarkenton to Zygi: "Play Joe Webb"

    ultravikingfan wrote:
    singersp wrote:
    dfosterf wrote:
    On the good news front, the Redskins pass D is playing pretty awful for the most part.

    I bet the Vikes crush the Redskins this week. It's a good matchup for you, no matter which QB is starting, imo
    And if we do beat a mediocre 0.500 team, some here will start talking "Wild Card" & "Super Bowl" again. LOL!

    Firing a coach won't suddenly propel us into playing like a playoff caliber team.

    Our 3 wins thus far;

    Cowboys 3-7
    Arizona 3-7
    Lions 2-8

    Anyone see a pattern?

    We haven't won a road game since Nov. 1, 1999
    We were 1-3 even with Randy Moss


    WOW!

    How the hell did we go 12-4 last year?

    Guess we played 12 home games.
    I think he meant to say that we've lost 5 road games straight.
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    Re: Tarkenton to Zygi: "Play Joe Webb"

    Joe Webb needs to stay on the bench outside of some mop up duty or taking over TJ's role as the kneel down specialist.

    I think the best thing for this organization is to start TJ. Unfortunately, I don't think its in the cards unless Favre gets mortally wounded.

    I can understand why Frazier is starting Favre, I just don't agree its the best the thing for the club long term.

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    Re: Tarkenton to Zygi: "Play Joe Webb"

    Francis has been JEALOUS of Favre for a long time.

    Hate to see it in this great QB in his old age.
    It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
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    Re: Tarkenton to Zygi: "Play Joe Webb"

    Marrdro wrote:
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    [color=#400080]1) Those of you that believe playing Favre is a mandate from Wilf. I would like to see what evidence leads you to believe this.
    Well its pretty hard to get into the front offices. I know, I've tried, so what we have is speculation based on what we do know.

    What do we know....

    a. Leslie is a defensive minded coach.
    b. When asked who was gonna be the D-coord he said he had to think about it.
    c. When asked who his starting QB was gonna be, he immediately said the Noodle.

    What we assume.....

    Assumption is that he would have a better idea who would be a better D-coord from his staff and that he would defer (or atleast confer with them) to his O-Coord/QB Coach on who they think would give them the best chance to win.

    2) Frazier is going to do what is best for HIS career. That means winning football games. Consequently, Frazier will start whom he believes will win football games. Evidently, that QB is Brett Favre.
    Right now, whats best for his career is to listen to the Owner.

    Again, facts and assumptions....

    Fact....The Wilf Ownership group has alot tied up in the Chiller.
    Assumption....They probably can't afford to bring in a big name HC next year because of that investment.
    Assumnption....They probably can't afford to bring in a big name HC next year because of the uncertainty surrounding league play next year.
    Assumption....No other coach will be able to work with/assess talent in the offseason if there is a holdout.

    Long story short, all Leslie has to do is not have the locker room come apart at the seams or piss the owner off and he will probably get the job.

    In the end, he was told to play the Noodle. My proof is listed above. Unless you have something better that will change my mind, I'm going with that.
    What Proof? Everything you listed is an assumptino!!! EVERYTHING!!!

    Purplejokr is ABSOLUTELY correct when he says that Frazier is going to do what's best for Frazier in this 6 game run as HC. He has a short window with little prep time to show that he can put the pieces together and be successful.

    That said, what logic follows that says, "Play Webb?" Because Tarkenton said so? Floop no!!! PLaying Webb is the stupidest thing he can do...


    ...and following on the heels of that, why do you risk your window of opportunity on the Quarterback that your predecessor didn't think was good enough and passed over TWICE (And NOT at the insistence of Zygi, contrary to your blatherings).

    That leaves you with one option - recreate the magic of last season. And the only QB on your roster who even has a remote shot of doing that is Favre.

    Do I want to see Favre play? Not anymore. We're done for the season, so I'd rather see Jackson - honestly. But Frazier needs to WIN, he doesn't need to assess talent for next season. He may not have this job next season.

    Finally, your assumptions about future HC's are off base as well - IMHO.

    Money isn't an issue for our next HC. Zygi will pay whatever he has to pay to the guy he ultimately chooses. Money won't be a stumbling block. And next seasons uncertainty won't factor in either. It would with a player, whose skills may or may not deteriorate in the interim, but a Coach is different. And hiring a coach at the end of the season and allowing them to put together their staff, and do all the prep work can only benefit the Vikings.

    Caine
    Couple of thoughts......

    You don't think that my fact about the money due to the Chiller is a fact? I can go dig up the articles if you like. It isn't as bad as some think, but its still bad.

    I don't think Zygi will pay whatever the next guy wants. I don't think he has the money to keep shelling out 4 mill here for a QB, 6 mill here for a coach not coaching and then another 6-10 mill a year for the next guy.

    Nope, I think the ownership is in trouble and without a "Yea" vote on a stadium, he is gonna have to take some drastic measures.

    First one will be to go cheap on a coach.
    Second one will be to let alot of our FA walk.
    Third one will be to either move or sell the team.

    Regardless, he isn't as rich as you guys wanna think and isn't gonna keep opening his checkbook.

    My OPINION, based on what I THINK, it is gonna get uglier long before it gets better. The move to go with Leslie and the need to keep the ticket sales up by starting the Noodle are the rationale that drives what I think.
    And I think your rationale is flawed.

    Keep in mind, the salaries for the Coaches doesn't come out of Zygi's pocket, it comes out of the teams operating revenue...and is seperate from salary cap figures.

    So, unless the Vikings are losing ,money (Which, to my knowledge they are NOT), it stands to reason that the money for a big gun coach will likely be available.

    Further, I doubt Chiller is getting one big check, there are likely contract provisions that detail a long term pay out - like over the original life of the contract - in the event of a termination.

    Finally, Favre isn't such a big draw right now. Him being on the field will NOT sell tickets as you keep implying. If we were WINNING, maybe. But now? Not hardly.

    In fact, if you were to use the responses from this board as a barometer, I'd wager that starting Jackson would draw a larger crown due to the curiosity to find out if he actually HAS improved.

    So, again, I find your logic flawed in the fact that it contains too many elements of blind Favre hate (blaming him by trying to link him to ticket sales) and a failure to appreciate that the next coaches contract doesn't come from Zygi's pocket directly.

    IMO, our next coach will be almost entirely driven by whether or not Zygi comprehends that his - and his family's - direct involvement in the day-to-day operations of the franchise are NOT conducive to producing a championship. Our next coach will be whomever believes that they will get the support they need and the latitude to make the decisions they need to make without having to coddle a "rich-fan" owner.

    Money will be an issue, but a far more minor one than you allege.

    Caine

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