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    Fran Tarkenton: Vikings need Harvin, and more

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    First, I think the team needs to get more weapons in the passing game. Keeping Percy Harvin is essential, but even that isn't enough. To complement Harvin, there should be a big, physical receiver and a deep threat to keep defenses honest.
    Fran is an old, decrepid, ex-player who has been away from the game too long & should keep his pie-hole shut & listen to Marrdro who knows more about the game than he does.

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    Tarkenton: Vikings need Harvin & more

    Why all the Fran commentary? Did his royalties for " that's incredible" run out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    Why all the Fran commentary? Did his royalties for " that's incredible" run out?
    When you play in the NFL and play in three super bowls and get elected to the pro football hall of fame, then you may have the same clout as him. Turns out you didn't so he may have just a little more working knowledge of how a team is put together and how to get to a super bowl.

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    Who is Fran Tarkenton?
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    Everything he is saying I have already said....

    We need 2 more starters on this team. You don't win in this league by being Great at only one aspect of offense. Sine NWE has gone to that pass happy crap of an offense they have lost 2 Superbowls. Thier last win was with Dillion. We can't win with a powerful rush attack and just an average passing attack. Look at all of the teams that have both and are struggling to get it done ( Texans, Ravens, Seattle, Bears, Broncos, Flacons, Saints) I hate that the belief is...we can just run the ball and do the least amount to pass and some how we will win a suerbowl.

    We don't need to draft a Cb. We can sign a street guy to play the 4th and eventually take over.
    Jefferson, Cook, Robinson, Winfield, Burton,.... How many more do we need.

    We need 2 DTs.
    Williams has been quiet for a very long time and seems to have lost his burst. I can't tell you the last time I saw an eye popping play from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Everything he is saying I have already said....

    We need 2 more starters on this team. You don't win in this league by being Great at only one aspect of offense. Sine NWE has gone to that pass happy crap of an offense they have lost 2 Superbowls. Thier last win was with Dillion. We can't win with a powerful rush attack and just an average passing attack. Look at all of the teams that have both and are struggling to get it done ( Texans, Ravens, Seattle, Bears, Broncos, Flacons, Saints) I hate that the belief is...we can just run the ball and do the least amount to pass and some how we will win a suerbowl.

    We don't need to draft a Cb. We can sign a street guy to play the 4th and eventually take over.
    Jefferson, Cook, Robinson, Winfield, Burton,.... How many more do we need.

    We need 2 DTs.
    Williams has been quiet for a very long time and seems to have lost his burst. I can't tell you the last time I saw an eye popping play from him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Everything he is saying I have already said....

    We need 2 more starters on this team.
    At what positions?



    You don't win in this league by being Great at only one aspect of offense. Sine NWE has gone to that pass happy crap of an offense they have lost 2 Superbowls.
    They lost 2 SB's because they built the offense at the expense of the defense IMHO. Look at the defensive roster and compare it to what they had when they were winning SB's.





    Thier last win was with Dillion.
    And Adam Vinatieri.

    You do realize that between Peyton Manning and Tom Brady they have 4 SB rings and neither won the SB without Vinatieri kicking Fg's for their team?




    We can't win with a powerful rush attack and just an average passing attack.
    We couldn't win with the most prolific offense in NFL history and a very solid rushing attack in 98 either.





    Look at all of the teams that have both and are struggling to get it done ( Texans, Ravens, Seattle, Bears, Broncos, Flacons, Saints)
    So first you say you can't win without a strong passing and rushing offense then post evidence that teams aren't even winning when they have them? Dohkay.



    I hate that the belief is...we can just run the ball and do the least amount to pass and some how we will win a suerbowl.
    I hate the idea we can just build up the offense and forget about defending the pass and expect to win a championship.

    We don't need to draft a Cb. We can sign a street guy to play the 4th and eventually take over.
    Jefferson, Cook, Robinson, Winfield, Burton,.... How many more do we need.
    Not more, just better.



    We need 2 DTs.
    Less than we need LB's and a top Safety.


    Williams has been quiet for a very long time and seems to have lost his burst. I can't tell you the last time I saw an eye popping play from him.
    There haven't been a lot of eye popping plays from the majority of the defense for quite some time.

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    Originally Posted by kevoncox;
    Everything he is saying I have already said....

    We need 2 more starters on this team.
    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    At what positions?
    Apparently all we need is 2 DT's....

    Originally Posted by kevoncox;
    We need 2 DTs.
    So I wonder how we are going to get better in the receiving dept. by adding 2 DT's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    At what positions?
    They lost 2 SB's because they built the offense at the expense of the defense IMHO. Look at the defensive roster and compare it to what they had when they were winning SB's.
    While it is true that they lost talent on defense, it was not at the expense of the offense. What draft picks did they utilize on offense in 2007.
    Welker, Randy and Co were all imported. There biggest issue was that they could not run the ball when needed and that feed into the Giants' hands as they had at that time the best pass rushing line. Take opinion out of it. Fact - they had 45 yards rushing in that game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    And Adam Vinatieri.
    You do realize that between Peyton Manning and Tom Brady they have 4 SB rings and neither won the SB without Vinatieri kicking Fg's for their team?
    I don't remember it coming down to a missed kick. I remember Brady driving and scoring to give the go ahead lead and ELi stealing it at the end. Vinatieri wouldn't have mattered. Now if you are trying to tell me that having a kicker is more important than a run game, i'm not listening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    We couldn't win with the most prolific offense in NFL history and a very solid rushing attack in 98 either.
    We had no defense my friend and my point wasall of these teams are struggling just to stay in the chase and they are way ahead of us offensively. If we continue to stay one sided, we will only continue to be in the back of the pack. We must improve our passing attack to match the quality of our run game. Make the sacrifices needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    So first you say you can't win without a strong passing and rushing offense then post evidence that teams aren't even winning when they have them? Dohkay.
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    As I explained above, I was explaining that if teams that are balanced are struggling, what the hell do we expect to do being 1 sided. To win a superbowl, it takes a well balanced team and a lot of luck. Something the Ravens figured out after years of being run oriented. They went and brought in a tough WR, drafted another and got themselves a damn QB. They brought him along and then unleashed him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    I hate the idea we can just build up the offense and forget about defending the pass and expect to win a championship.
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    You can't defend the pass my friend, you can only contain it. Its an idiotic way of thinking. The league has severely weakened defenses in contrast to offenses. A defense is no longer able to help and pathetic offense as well as a strong offense can help a pathetic defense. My example of this is the giants. They are a decent run defense, however, they are an excellent pass defense. Get them up big in games and they will wreck havok on the opposing team and look unstoppable. Keep them close in games and the defense looks mortal because they are unable to protect against the run and the pass. We are built quite the same way. At this point we have a better pass rushing line than run stopping and if our offense could get us an early lead, the defense will look way better. With that said, our defense was pretty damn good last year and would have been better playing with an average offense. They carried this team for much of the season. Playing with shortened field and holding a lot of teams to FGs or punts while or offense kicked FG after FG after FG. This defense is good enough to win a super bowl if given a top 15 QB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    Less than we need LB's and a top Safety.

    There haven't been a lot of eye popping plays from the majority of the defense for quite some time.
    Your opinion my friend. Our LBs were decent and like I said our defense carried this team last year. There is a reason our rookie QB was an pro bowler. I think we have a top safety in Smith and the combo of Raymond and Sanford is a good one. I can point to 1 deep ball completed last season and that was early on in the season. Was there more than one, possible but teams weren't airing it out on us like before. An improved offense would make our defense take the next step. Imagine if all half of those FGs we kicked turned into TDs and then our defense was able to pin their ears back all game long. Sacks, picks and TOs would result my friend.

    A run stuffing DT would help KW prolong his career and a pass rushing DT would eventually take his place.

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