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    Re: Tahi plays his game, leads with head

    "Schutz" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "SamOchoCinco" wrote:
    who ever said that veterans lose their skills as they age is wrong.

    look at what T-Rich is doing for the jets right now. and look at what farve did last year.

    just becuase you get older doesnt mean that you have to be replaced. down the line yes. but i dont know why we didnt resign a PRO BOWLER.

    he is going to be around another 2-3 years. so we should have resigned him instead of signing a guy who sits on the bench for nearly the same amount tony got... yeah. thats what i think
    Call me wrong if you want, however no one, including you has said anything to answer my question.

    What is he doing over there to make them better.
    Again, I have watched a good portion of each of thier games and he doesn't even get on the field much anymore.

    Then, as I said earlier, how has his depatured impacted us, especially in the run production area.

    Quick question, based on how many games he played last year and his production, do you think he really warranted a Pro-bowl trip or do you think he got the knod just because of his past performances and fan appeal like most probowlers normally do?
    My question for you is, if he doesn't get on the field much, is that because there are other FB's taking his spot, or they just don't use a lot of fullbacks in their scheme.
    I don't watch a lot of jets fooball, so I'm not sure what they run.
    IF, its the case that no fullback gets lots of playing time, then your argument is dodging the point.
    The point is that Richardson is far better than Tapeh.
    If Richardson doesn't play much just because the scheme doesn't call for it, it hardly has much to do with his skill.
    Thats like getting two top tier MLB's to come here, and saying one sucks because we play a 4-3, and they won't get much playing time.
    Fair question.

    They only carry one FB so you would think that T-rich he would see alot of time especially when thier big short yardage RB is hurt/not playing.

    Could one say that the scheme doesn't dictate more time for him?
    Probably could, however, you could also say that because of the scheme, along with only 1 FB he should see more playing time.

    Again, T-rich was a heck of a FB in his day.
    He finished out his time here and wasn't resigned mostly because of his inability to stay healthy and the need for the team to get younger at that position with a guy who would suit up every game.

    I answered your question.
    Now answer mine........

    Has his absence really shown up as a issue with respect to our production, especially in the running game?
    A great blocking FB is a beautiful thing.
    I'm not sure to the extent of lost production, but I bet you we could see a change if(which I agree with you marr) he stayed healthy.
    Tough decision and lets just hope Tahi can get the job done.

    Now answer mine.....



    If x and y are integers and their product is positive and odd, then which of the following cannot be the value of y?

    A. -121
    B. -1
    C. 1
    D. 4
    E. 25
    No fair.
    My highest math class in high school was "Consumer Math".
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    Re: Tahi plays his game, leads with head

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "SamOchoCinco" wrote:
    who ever said that veterans lose their skills as they age is wrong.

    look at what T-Rich is doing for the jets right now. and look at what farve did last year.

    just becuase you get older doesnt mean that you have to be replaced. down the line yes. but i dont know why we didnt resign a PRO BOWLER.

    he is going to be around another 2-3 years. so we should have resigned him instead of signing a guy who sits on the bench for nearly the same amount tony got... yeah. thats what i think
    Call me wrong if you want, however no one, including you has said anything to answer my question.

    What is he doing over there to make them better.
    Again, I have watched a good portion of each of thier games and he doesn't even get on the field much anymore.

    Then, as I said earlier, how has his depatured impacted us, especially in the run production area.

    Quick question, based on how many games he played last year and his production, do you think he really warranted a Pro-bowl trip or do you think he got the knod just because of his past performances and fan appeal like most probowlers normally do?
    My question for you is, if he doesn't get on the field much, is that because there are other FB's taking his spot, or they just don't use a lot of fullbacks in their scheme.
    I don't watch a lot of jets fooball, so I'm not sure what they run.
    IF, its the case that no fullback gets lots of playing time, then your argument is dodging the point.
    The point is that Richardson is far better than Tapeh.
    If Richardson doesn't play much just because the scheme doesn't call for it, it hardly has much to do with his skill.
    Thats like getting two top tier MLB's to come here, and saying one sucks because we play a 4-3, and they won't get much playing time.
    Fair question.

    They only carry one FB so you would think that T-rich he would see alot of time especially when thier big short yardage RB is hurt/not playing.

    Could one say that the scheme doesn't dictate more time for him?
    Probably could, however, you could also say that because of the scheme, along with only 1 FB he should see more playing time.

    Again, T-rich was a heck of a FB in his day.
    He finished out his time here and wasn't resigned mostly because of his inability to stay healthy and the need for the team to get younger at that position with a guy who would suit up every game.

    I answered your question.
    Now answer mine........

    Has his absence really shown up as a issue with respect to our production, especially in the running game?
    Yes, actually, I think it has.
    So far, there's been a total of 0 long runs broken.
    (i know the seasons still young)
    Thats because Richardson was very very good at mauling a LB, and moving into the secondary, knocking a safety, or a corner trying to come in from the other side, or even another LB.

    Also the running production dips in the 2nd half.
    There could be a numbe rof reasons for that though, (playcalling, having to make up ground in the 3rd and 4th q, so abandoning run to pass, etc).


    We're getting a decent amount of medium runs (4-8yds)
    but...
    by week 9, Peterson's rush average was 6.2 I believe, now its only 5.2 (not 100%, but its in that range)
    Nice try my friend.
    You need to check the stats out.....

    He already has a long run of 34 and is avging 5.2 in the first 3 games vs his avg from last year of 5.6, again, without our starting LT.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo.../players/8261/

    Again, I really don't see a issue with T-rich's departure.


    We all know how hard it is to get accustomed to the scheme so it would be natural to me that Tahi would feel more comfortable and would produce a bit more, however, Tapeh has shown some stuff as well.

    I like the rotation the two are having when our FB's are on the field.
    Which ohhhh by the way, I believe is the primary reason T-rich was not resigned.
    Other things to consider are:

    a.
    CAP situation.
    Why would they pay him a big CAP dollar for a year or two when he hasn't demonstrated that he can stay healthy.
    b.
    FB depth.
    Tahi obviously has the coaches eye.
    They have kept him around for a reason.
    Tapeh gives us another viable option as a blocker not only for the running game but in the passing scheme as well.

    c.
    Both Tapeh and Tahi fit in with the rest of the environment/age group of this team.
    Take a look around, almost every player is in or around thier 3rd/4th/5th year or so especially in the key positions.

    This team is being built to win for a long time and not just for now that the press would lead you to believe.
    Again, that is why T-rich was jettisoned for a younger player.
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    Re: Tahi plays his game, leads with head

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
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    [quote author=SamOchoCinco link=topic=48119.msg843660#msg843660 date=1222433952]
    who ever said that veterans lose their skills as they age is wrong.

    look at what T-Rich is doing for the jets right now. and look at what farve did last year.

    just becuase you get older doesnt mean that you have to be replaced. down the line yes. but i dont know why we didnt resign a PRO BOWLER.

    he is going to be around another 2-3 years. so we should have resigned him instead of signing a guy who sits on the bench for nearly the same amount tony got... yeah. thats what i think
    Call me wrong if you want, however no one, including you has said anything to answer my question.

    What is he doing over there to make them better.
    Again, I have watched a good portion of each of thier games and he doesn't even get on the field much anymore.

    Then, as I said earlier, how has his depatured impacted us, especially in the run production area.

    Quick question, based on how many games he played last year and his production, do you think he really warranted a Pro-bowl trip or do you think he got the knod just because of his past performances and fan appeal like most probowlers normally do?
    My question for you is, if he doesn't get on the field much, is that because there are other FB's taking his spot, or they just don't use a lot of fullbacks in their scheme.
    I don't watch a lot of jets fooball, so I'm not sure what they run.
    IF, its the case that no fullback gets lots of playing time, then your argument is dodging the point.
    The point is that Richardson is far better than Tapeh.
    If Richardson doesn't play much just because the scheme doesn't call for it, it hardly has much to do with his skill.
    Thats like getting two top tier MLB's to come here, and saying one sucks because we play a 4-3, and they won't get much playing time.
    Fair question.

    They only carry one FB so you would think that T-rich he would see alot of time especially when thier big short yardage RB is hurt/not playing.

    Could one say that the scheme doesn't dictate more time for him?
    Probably could, however, you could also say that because of the scheme, along with only 1 FB he should see more playing time.

    Again, T-rich was a heck of a FB in his day.
    He finished out his time here and wasn't resigned mostly because of his inability to stay healthy and the need for the team to get younger at that position with a guy who would suit up every game.

    I answered your question.
    Now answer mine........

    Has his absence really shown up as a issue with respect to our production, especially in the running game?
    Yes, actually, I think it has.
    So far, there's been a total of 0 long runs broken.
    (i know the seasons still young)
    Thats because Richardson was very very good at mauling a LB, and moving into the secondary, knocking a safety, or a corner trying to come in from the other side, or even another LB.

    Also the running production dips in the 2nd half.
    There could be a numbe rof reasons for that though, (playcalling, having to make up ground in the 3rd and 4th q, so abandoning run to pass, etc).


    We're getting a decent amount of medium runs (4-8yds)
    but...
    by week 9, Peterson's rush average was 6.2 I believe, now its only 5.2 (not 100%, but its in that range)
    Nice try my friend.
    You need to check the stats out.....

    He already has a long run of 34 and is avging 5.2 in the first 3 games vs his avg from last year of 5.6, again, without our starting LT.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo.../players/8261/

    Again, I really don't see a issue with T-rich's departure.


    We all know how hard it is to get accustomed to the scheme so it would be natural to me that Tahi would feel more comfortable and would produce a bit more, however, Tapeh has shown some stuff as well.

    I like the rotation the two are having when our FB's are on the field.
    Which ohhhh by the way, I believe is the primary reason T-rich was not resigned.
    Other things to consider are:

    a.
    CAP situation.
    Why would they pay him a big CAP dollar for a year or two when he hasn't demonstrated that he can stay healthy.
    b.
    FB depth.
    Tahi obviously has the coaches eye.
    They have kept him around for a reason.
    Tapeh gives us another viable option as a blocker not only for the running game but in the passing scheme as well.

    c.
    Both Tapeh and Tahi fit in with the rest of the environment/age group of this team.
    Take a look around, almost every player is in or around thier 3rd/4th/5th year or so especially in the key positions.

    This team is being built to win for a long time and not just for now that the press would lead you to believe.
    Again, that is why T-rich was jettisoned for a younger player.
    [/quote]

    Part of being built to win for a long time would seem to require winning at some time.

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