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    Re: Still got a beef with Brad Childress?

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    [quote author=ultravikingfan link=topic=53707.msg1006419#msg1006419 date=1255906781]
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=53707.msg1006418#msg1006418 date=1255906708]
    [quote author=ultravikingfan link=topic=53707.msg1006417#msg1006417 date=1255906515]
    Look, we are 6-0.
    There seems to be more ragging on Childress than there is praise.
    This blows my damn mind.
    What also blows my mind is that Chiller gets blamed for everything.
    Hardly ever the execution of the players, but Chiller.


    The guy must be doing something right?
    And for some to still say "Fire Childress"?
    Are you kidding?

    Here's the logic:

    Last year when we lost a lot (not all) put all the blame on Chilly.
    Stay with me here.
    So those of you who did better be putting all the blames for wins on Chiller this year or you make zero sense.


    Were all of our games pretty?
    No.
    Did the Vikes get the job done?
    Yes.

    End of story.
    well, we're not saying fire Childress, the question was "Still got a Beef?" and the answer is yes.
    We are lacking the killer instinct we need to be great.
    Look at the Pats, they were up early on the Titans, but they don't ease up in the second quarter, they keep pushing to ensure there's no chance of losing.

    Our execution is good, which is a reflection on coaching.
    however the mindset and playcalling blows my mind at time.

    So no, not end of story.
    Some are still saying Fire Childress.
    I am not just looking at this thread.

    Mindset?
    How do you know the teams mindset?
    coaches mindset.
    He's too content with punting early in the game, he's too content with field goals instead of touchdowns.
    Running a draw on third and long was a good call the first time, but I haven't seen it work at all this season.
    Time to change it up.
    Childress seems content to play to not lose, instead of trying to win the game.
    Only when the Ravens got within one score did we see the playbook open up again.
    I'm not sure whether that falls on Bevell or Childress, butthe way I see it, Childress has the final say, he can easilly tell Bevell to start playing football instead of pussyball.

    Remember the Titans game last year?
    The titan game where our starting qb was knock out of the game and Jackson came in and was sacked twice and we punted....that game?
    the game where down with no timeouts and 2 minutes left we punted.
    Titans took three knees and won.
    Childress later defended himself by saying he thought the Defense would get us the ball back.
    [/quote]

    And he was wrong and I am sure he accepts some of the blame as well.

    Coaches coach and Players play.
    He took a gamble and it did not pay off.

    This is all hindsight 20-20.
    What if the Defense got the ball back and we won.
    What a genius he would be.
    [/quote]

    no, we punted with no timeouts and less than two minutes left.
    Titans took three knees and walked away with a win.
    There was no possible way for the D to get the ball back.

    No way at all except for a fumbled snap.
    Thats basic math right there.
    40 seconds per play times three plays = 120 seconds or two minutes.
    [/quote]

    I will be honest and say I do not remember that completely.
    I cannot believe nobody else on the staff or in the booth told him the situation.

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    Re: Still got a beef with Brad Childress?

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    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
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    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
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    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=53707.msg1006421#msg1006421 date=1255906964]
    [quote author=ultravikingfan link=topic=53707.msg1006419#msg1006419 date=1255906781]
    [quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=53707.msg1006418#msg1006418 date=1255906708]
    [quote author=ultravikingfan link=topic=53707.msg1006417#msg1006417 date=1255906515]
    Look, we are 6-0.
    There seems to be more ragging on Childress than there is praise.
    This blows my damn mind.
    What also blows my mind is that Chiller gets blamed for everything.
    Hardly ever the execution of the players, but Chiller.


    The guy must be doing something right?
    And for some to still say "Fire Childress"?
    Are you kidding?

    Here's the logic:

    Last year when we lost a lot (not all) put all the blame on Chilly.
    Stay with me here.
    So those of you who did better be putting all the blames for wins on Chiller this year or you make zero sense.


    Were all of our games pretty?
    No.
    Did the Vikes get the job done?
    Yes.

    End of story.
    well, we're not saying fire Childress, the question was "Still got a Beef?" and the answer is yes.
    We are lacking the killer instinct we need to be great.
    Look at the Pats, they were up early on the Titans, but they don't ease up in the second quarter, they keep pushing to ensure there's no chance of losing.

    Our execution is good, which is a reflection on coaching.
    however the mindset and playcalling blows my mind at time.

    So no, not end of story.
    Some are still saying Fire Childress.
    I am not just looking at this thread.

    Mindset?
    How do you know the teams mindset?
    coaches mindset.
    He's too content with punting early in the game, he's too content with field goals instead of touchdowns.
    Running a draw on third and long was a good call the first time, but I haven't seen it work at all this season.
    Time to change it up.
    Childress seems content to play to not lose, instead of trying to win the game.
    Only when the Ravens got within one score did we see the playbook open up again.
    I'm not sure whether that falls on Bevell or Childress, butthe way I see it, Childress has the final say, he can easilly tell Bevell to start playing football instead of pussyball.

    Remember the Titans game last year?
    The titan game where our starting qb was knock out of the game and Jackson came in and was sacked twice and we punted....that game?
    the game where down with no timeouts and 2 minutes left we punted.
    Titans took three knees and won.
    Childress later defended himself by saying he thought the Defense would get us the ball back.
    [/quote]

    And he was wrong and I am sure he accepts some of the blame as well.

    Coaches coach and Players play.
    He took a gamble and it did not pay off.

    This is all hindsight 20-20.
    What if the Defense got the ball back and we won.
    What a genius he would be.
    [/quote]

    no, we punted with no timeouts and less than two minutes left.
    Titans took three knees and walked away with a win.
    There was no possible way for the D to get the ball back.

    No way at all except for a fumbled snap.
    Thats basic math right there.
    40 seconds per play times three plays = 120 seconds or two minutes.
    [/quote]

    I will be honest and say I do not remember that completely.
    I cannot believe nobody else on the staff or in the booth told him the situation.
    [/quote]

    I'll look up the play by play and confirm, but I recall thinking wtf was he thinking as there was no possible chance to get the ball back.
    he threw in the white flag then.

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    Re: Still got a beef with Brad Childress?

    here ya go
    last two drives of the game:


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    Minnesota Vikings at 03:40
    # 2-R.Bironas kicks 71 yards from TEN 30 to MIN -1. 43-M.Hicks to MIN 21 for 22 yards (57-J.Stamer, 30-E.King).
    # 1-10-MIN 21 (3:32) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 19-B.Wade to MIN 29 for 8 yards (22-V.Fuller). FUMBLES (22-V.Fuller), recovered by MIN-81-V.Shiancoe at MIN 30.
    # 2-1-MIN 30 (3:06) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 24 for -6 yards (92-A.Haynesworth).
    # 3-7-MIN 24 (2:41) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 18 for -6 yards (sack split by 93-K.Vanden Bosch and 97-T.Brown).
    #
    4-13-MIN 18
    (2:00) (Punt formation) 5-C.Kluwe punts 56 yards to TEN 26, Center-46-C.Loeffler, fair catch by 29-C.Carr.

    # Tennessee Titans at 01:53
    # 1-10-TEN 26 (1:53) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 25 for -1 yards.
    # 2-11-TEN 25 (1:16) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 24 for -1 yards.
    # 3-12-TEN 24 (:38) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 23 for -1 yards.

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    Re: Still got a beef with Brad Childress?

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    here ya go
    last two drives of the game:


    #
    Minnesota Vikings at 03:40
    # 2-R.Bironas kicks 71 yards from TEN 30 to MIN -1. 43-M.Hicks to MIN 21 for 22 yards (57-J.Stamer, 30-E.King).
    # 1-10-MIN 21 (3:32) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 19-B.Wade to MIN 29 for 8 yards (22-V.Fuller). FUMBLES (22-V.Fuller), recovered by MIN-81-V.Shiancoe at MIN 30.
    # 2-1-MIN 30 (3:06) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 24 for -6 yards (92-A.Haynesworth).
    # 3-7-MIN 24 (2:41) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 18 for -6 yards (sack split by 93-K.Vanden Bosch and 97-T.Brown).
    #

    4-13-MIN 18
    (2:00) (Punt formation) 5-C.Kluwe punts 56 yards to TEN 26, Center-46-C.Loeffler, fair catch by 29-C.Carr.

    # Tennessee Titans at 01:53
    # 1-10-TEN 26 (1:53) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 25 for -1 yards.
    # 2-11-TEN 25 (1:16) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 24 for -1 yards.
    # 3-12-TEN 24 (:38) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 23 for -1 yards.
    Ok, we can put that on him and last year was rocky at times.

    However, we are really looking at this year.
    I mean what good does it do to bitch about last year.
    He is 6-0 and we are winning.
    That's all I care about is wins.
    Not stats, not FF numbers.
    I want wins and have spent my entire life wanting to see this team in a Super Bowl.

    The players believe in Chilly, why can't we?

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    Re: Still got a beef with Brad Childress?

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    here ya go
    last two drives of the game:


    #
    Minnesota Vikings at 03:40
    # 2-R.Bironas kicks 71 yards from TEN 30 to MIN -1. 43-M.Hicks to MIN 21 for 22 yards (57-J.Stamer, 30-E.King).
    # 1-10-MIN 21 (3:32) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 19-B.Wade to MIN 29 for 8 yards (22-V.Fuller). FUMBLES (22-V.Fuller), recovered by MIN-81-V.Shiancoe at MIN 30.
    # 2-1-MIN 30 (3:06) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 24 for -6 yards (92-A.Haynesworth).
    # 3-7-MIN 24 (2:41) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 18 for -6 yards (sack split by 93-K.Vanden Bosch and 97-T.Brown).
    #

    4-13-MIN 18
    (2:00) (Punt formation) 5-C.Kluwe punts 56 yards to TEN 26, Center-46-C.Loeffler, fair catch by 29-C.Carr.

    # Tennessee Titans at 01:53
    # 1-10-TEN 26 (1:53) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 25 for -1 yards.
    # 2-11-TEN 25 (1:16) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 24 for -1 yards.
    # 3-12-TEN 24 (:38) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 23 for -1 yards.
    Ok, we can put that on him and last year was rocky at times.

    However, we are really looking at this year.
    I mean what good does it do to bitch about last year.
    He is 6-0 and we are winning.
    That's all I care about is wins.
    Not stats, not FF numbers.
    I want wins and have spent my entire life wanting to see this team in a Super Bowl.

    The players believe in Chilly, why can't we?
    As long as we're winning, I believe and support him, but all I'm saying is things like that will cost us at some point, I just hope its not at a critical points, and that is my beef with him.
    I think he can still be a good coach for us, he's shown real improvements from the past few years, but I'm still wary.

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    Re: Still got a beef with Brad Childress?

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    here ya go
    last two drives of the game:


    #
    Minnesota Vikings at 03:40
    # 2-R.Bironas kicks 71 yards from TEN 30 to MIN -1. 43-M.Hicks to MIN 21 for 22 yards (57-J.Stamer, 30-E.King).
    # 1-10-MIN 21 (3:32) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 19-B.Wade to MIN 29 for 8 yards (22-V.Fuller). FUMBLES (22-V.Fuller), recovered by MIN-81-V.Shiancoe at MIN 30.
    # 2-1-MIN 30 (3:06) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 24 for -6 yards (92-A.Haynesworth).
    # 3-7-MIN 24 (2:41) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 18 for -6 yards (sack split by 93-K.Vanden Bosch and 97-T.Brown).
    #
    4-13-MIN 18
    (2:00) (Punt formation) 5-C.Kluwe punts 56 yards to TEN 26, Center-46-C.Loeffler, fair catch by 29-C.Carr.

    # Tennessee Titans at 01:53
    # 1-10-TEN 26 (1:53) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 25 for -1 yards.
    # 2-11-TEN 25 (1:16) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 24 for -1 yards.
    # 3-12-TEN 24 (:38) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 23 for -1 yards.
    Ok, we can put that on him and last year was rocky at times.

    However, we are really looking at this year.
    I mean what good does it do to bitch about last year.
    He is 6-0 and we are winning.
    That's all I care about is wins.
    Not stats, not FF numbers.
    I want wins and have spent my entire life wanting to see this team in a Super Bowl.

    The players believe in Chilly, why can't we?
    As long as we're winning, I believe and support him, but all I'm saying is things like that will cost us at some point, I just hope its not at a critical points, and that is my beef with him.
    I think he can still be a good coach for us, he's shown real improvements from the past few years, but I'm still wary.
    Just remember, great talent can win in the absence of great coaching. I use Barry Switzer often in support of that idea. He inherited a team stacked with talent and they went on to win a SB with him at the helm. I also see the Ravens with Billick much the same way. That team could have won the SB with several coaches at the helm. What I look for in a great coach is one who can lose a player and insert a backup and not see that person exploited because they adjust adapt.

    Is Childress that type of coach? I will let you decide.

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    Re: Still got a beef with Brad Childress?

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    here ya go
    last two drives of the game:


    #
    Minnesota Vikings at 03:40
    # 2-R.Bironas kicks 71 yards from TEN 30 to MIN -1. 43-M.Hicks to MIN 21 for 22 yards (57-J.Stamer, 30-E.King).
    # 1-10-MIN 21 (3:32) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 19-B.Wade to MIN 29 for 8 yards (22-V.Fuller). FUMBLES (22-V.Fuller), recovered by MIN-81-V.Shiancoe at MIN 30.
    # 2-1-MIN 30 (3:06) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 24 for -6 yards (92-A.Haynesworth).
    # 3-7-MIN 24 (2:41) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 18 for -6 yards (sack split by 93-K.Vanden Bosch and 97-T.Brown).
    #

    4-13-MIN 18
    (2:00) (Punt formation) 5-C.Kluwe punts 56 yards to TEN 26, Center-46-C.Loeffler, fair catch by 29-C.Carr.

    # Tennessee Titans at 01:53
    # 1-10-TEN 26 (1:53) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 25 for -1 yards.
    # 2-11-TEN 25 (1:16) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 24 for -1 yards.
    # 3-12-TEN 24 (:38) 5-K.Collins kneels to TEN 23 for -1 yards.
    Ok, we can put that on him and last year was rocky at times.

    However, we are really looking at this year.
    I mean what good does it do to bitch about last year.
    He is 6-0 and we are winning.
    That's all I care about is wins.
    Not stats, not FF numbers.
    I want wins and have spent my entire life wanting to see this team in a Super Bowl.

    The players believe in Chilly, why can't we?
    As long as we're winning, I believe and support him, but all I'm saying is things like that will cost us at some point, I just hope its not at a critical points, and that is my beef with him.

    I think he can still be a good coach for us, he's shown real improvements from the past few years, but I'm still wary.
    That is a rare and extreme error there.
    I am mainly referring to all the bitching this year...our 6-0 year so far.

    First loss we have all the blame will go to Chiller.
    I guarantee it.


    BTW, we will lose one.

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    Re: Still got a beef with Brad Childress?

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    BTW, we will lose one.
    shun the non-believer

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    Re: Still got a beef with Brad Childress?

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    BTW, we will lose one.
    shun the non-believer
    LOL!
    I am a chicken little pussy negative Nancy!
    ;D

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    Re: Still got a beef with Brad Childress?

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    BTW, we will lose one.
    shun the non-believer
    LOL!
    I am a chicken little pussy negative Nancy!

    ;D
    Seriously though, if we can beat the Packers and Steelers, I seriously think we have a shot at going 14-2 or better.
    Giants aren't as good as advertised, and at week 17, its possible they rest some starters.
    I could see us dropping one against the Bears, and Possibly the Bengals depending on how they're playing at that point in the season.
    Hopefully by the time we're playing them, our safeties get their act together, and we can play a complete game.

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