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    Re: Status of Winfield?

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    I don't see him getting alot of reps at LCB.

    My guess they will continue to bring him in off the bench for Nickle and Dime coverages, with him in the slot were he can do what he does best, tackle.

    That does several things....

    a. He is a liability in pass coverage. Puts a better pass defender on the field.

    b. Lets him take reps off so he can stay healthy all year.

    c. Lets coach Pagac use him to his strenght, which is on the inside were he is better suited for short zone coverages/run/blitz support.
    Hate to say this but you make it sound like he will be a poor man's Woodson.
    LOL, no way my friend. Whinny is still a pretty good player especially in a Cover 2 scheme.

    I just think he best suited on the inside mostly for the reasons above, but if the staff is gonna use their CB's a bit more agressively this year, Cook is better suited out there with Griff on the other side.
    Ah..That is exactly how the pukers use Woodson. He is usually lined up over the slot so he can blitz. He is still a pretty good cover guy but they use him way differently than the average CB.
    I'm with you my friend, but I refuse to compare a Vikings player with anything PUKER.....You should know that. :laugh:
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    Re: Status of Winfield?

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    I don't see him getting alot of reps at LCB.

    My guess they will continue to bring him in off the bench for Nickle and Dime coverages, with him in the slot were he can do what he does best, tackle.

    That does several things....

    a. He is a liability in pass coverage. Puts a better pass defender on the field.

    b. Lets him take reps off so he can stay healthy all year.

    c. Lets coach Pagac use him to his strenght, which is on the inside were he is better suited for short zone coverages/run/blitz support.
    This also has been proven wrong. Winfield isn't an asomugha or revis, but yes not as much a lability s you like to claim. He was our best pass defender past season, and while he doesn't get a ton of picks, he quietly does his job. Problem is he occasionally gets beat over the top since he's lost some speed. Nickel would be best for him, not because he can't hang with the big digs, but because it gets him in position do do what he does best. You can bet though if Griffin isn't cutting itor cook doesn't get it done, Winfield absolutely will be back on the outside.
    I don't like Cook for some reason. This preseason I think the person that looked like he could be a starter either at the end of this year or next year is Burton. He is where is supposed to be when he is supposed to be there. I like him way better than Cook who sometimes get burned. Allen is not very good eihter which is why I think he (Burton) leapfrogs those two at some point.
    I think they made the wise choice in keeping both Burton and Sherels. Nice upside, but like Cook, if they were thrown out there now, we would see obvious flaws in their game, much the same way we did when we watch Griff learn on the field.

    In the end, I think Cook will come into his own this year, and like Griff, people will start to look else were for their scapegoat.

    Course it could be the Homer in me chearing for another VA guy on the team but at 6'2/210 lbs, he is gonna be a hard one to over power and beat on jump balls.
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    Re: Status of Winfield?

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    I don't see him getting alot of reps at LCB.

    My guess they will continue to bring him in off the bench for Nickle and Dime coverages, with him in the slot were he can do what he does best, tackle.

    That does several things....

    a. He is a liability in pass coverage. Puts a better pass defender on the field.

    b. Lets him take reps off so he can stay healthy all year.

    c. Lets coach Pagac use him to his strenght, which is on the inside were he is better suited for short zone coverages/run/blitz support.
    This also has been proven wrong. Winfield isn't an asomugha or revis, but yes not as much a lability s you like to claim. He was our best pass defender past season, and while he doesn't get a ton of picks, he quietly does his job. Problem is he occasionally gets beat over the top since he's lost some speed. Nickel would be best for him, not because he can't hang with the big digs, but because it gets him in position do do what he does best. You can bet though if Griffin isn't cutting itor cook doesn't get it done, Winfield absolutely will be back on the outside.
    I don't like Cook for some reason. This preseason I think the person that looked like he could be a starter either at the end of this year or next year is Burton. He is where is supposed to be when he is supposed to be there. I like him way better than Cook who sometimes get burned. Allen is not very good eihter which is why I think he (Burton) leapfrogs those two at some point.
    I think they made the wise choice in keeping both Burton and Sherels. Nice upside, but like Cook, if they were thrown out there now, we would see obvious flaws in their game, much the same way we did when we watch Griff learn on the field.

    In the end, I think Cook will come into his own this year, and like Griff, people will start to look else were for their scapegoat.

    Course it could be the Homer in me chearing for another VA guy on the team but at 6'2/210 lbs, he is gonna be a hard one to over power and beat on jump balls.
    Cook hasn't played enough to be a scapegoat yet. If anything, hes overrated simply because he needs to play. Well see what he's got this season

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    Cook hasn't played enough to be a scapegoat yet. If anything, hes overrated simply because he needs to play. Well see what he's got this season[/quote]
    Good point, but I'm still not sure how he got "Overrated".

    Did you think that Griff was overrated in 2006?
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    Re: Status of Winfield?

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    Cook hasn't played enough to be a scapegoat yet. If anything, hes overrated simply because he needs to play. Well see what he's got this season
    Good point, but I'm still not sure how he got "Overrated".

    Did you think that Griff was overrated in 2006?
    Because people think he'll be a fine starter for us, despite the fact he played in 4 games, rather poorly alot of the time.

    I'm not throwing the towel in, but he's certainly not proven he's a starter yet.

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    Not proven and overated are kindof different, atleast in my book.
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    Quote isn't working for some reason write now. @Marrdro, yes they are different, but people have over-rated Cook IMO, regardless of his whether he is unproven or not. He's played healthy in a couple games, preseason included, and has never looked very good. In the limited time we have seen him, he doesn't seem to be worth the pick. I hope he proves me wrong. Oh man, I hope he proves me wrong. We need corners in our division especially
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