Thread: Start Mewelde Moore.

WARNING this post will be my opinion so please dont start the bashing I'm not here to fuel this heated argument just to add my two cents


First of all, I am really torn on who should be the Vikings featured back. I have always like Bennett but Memo has definately impressed me in the games he has played and this preseason.

What we dont see is everything in camp, in the locker room, and behind the scenes. Memo had put up some amazing numbers but he has only been the starter for 4 games. If Tice really thought he could produce those numbers on a weekly basis, it would be a no brainer to start him, any team in the league would!

Should Memo have been able to keep the starting job last year after the way he played? Probably..but since he wasnt I do not see how you can immediately take Bennett out of the starting position. he had one bad preseason game...you cannot take anyone starting position away after playing 2 or 3 series in a preseason game. If that was the case Tony Gonzalez shouldn't be starting for KC this year. He had 0 catches, made numerous mental errors, had a dropped pass, and a penalty!

That's pretty bad if you have to give a warning that you are about to state an opinion. :grin:

Not bad that you did, bad that you felt you needed to as to avoid persecution.

Everything in this entire thread has been nothing but opinions. The best argument you could make for reality is the few statistics thrown around. Even the statistics are used to try and support an opinion. In fact you could say the statistics are being abused and stretched out of the realm of what they really are for the sole purpose of justifying ones opinion.

Any way, don't feel like you need a disclaimer. Believe what you want for whatever reason you want and add to the convo.

I'll give you that one, haha

"RandyMoss8404" wrote:

The problem is that you're placing your faith in Mike Tice: Please see botched fake field goal, allowing Linehan to call a play that has Moss throw a pass into the end zone on a crucial play, etc.

Yes I am placing my faith in Mike Tice and I have nothing wrong with that. I do not like him, but the fact he is our coach demands my respect and trust.

Sure you can list all the dumb things he has done and I will agree it was a stupid decision, but I can't go into every play of every game fearing that Mike Tice has made a wrong decision, it just is not healthy as a fan. Faith and doubt are polar opposites and I refuse to sit and watch a game and doubt MB when the whole team that I'm cheering for has faith in him. The same goes for MM. No matter who starts, for a fan to be continuosly pessimistic about the situation isn't very fan-like at all. For that split second before the play, when you see MB in the backfield and think, "This play is going nowhere because Bennett is in." You are actually cheering AGAINST your team. So, because I am a fan and never cheer against my team, I don't do that. If that means putting my faith in a coach who has messed up multiple times, thats fine with me.

"Vikes2611" wrote:

"RandyMoss8404" wrote:

"akvikefan89" wrote:

"RandyMoss8404" wrote:

"Vikes2611" wrote:

Originally Posted by RandyMoss8404

Originally Posted by Vikes2611

Originally Posted by RandyMoss8404

He actually didn't attack your opinion, but I'm about to.

My "hard on" for Mewelde Moore - note, the constant phrasing of things using base sexual language is a marker for a weak argument - has to do with the fact that the man has produced in actual NFL games, against NFL competition, while running behind a decimated line.

Ciatrick Fason played in college behind an excellent O line primarily against teams with suspect linebacking cores that allowed him to make cutback runs at will. He's big, and he's powerful, but he hasn't proven it yet, MeMo has.

So, you've studied up on the do's and don'ts of arguements? I wish I was as smart as you think you are pal. Everytime you're contested you come back with some kind of comment like that. Kind of like when you once talked about you going to some college, like we care. Decimated line? Our line was still good last year even with some injuries. Excellent O line and primarily against teams with suspect linebacking cores? How much research have you done on this kids college career. Something tells me you're making those statements up and if your right its by coincidence. I'll admit I haven't looked into the talent of his O line or the opposing linebackers but one this is for sure, I'm not going to BS about it like you did.

Or I know that the SEC is known for great defensive lineman, and having watched games, I note that the linebackers are usually not the best of athletes - and having watched 3 of Fason's games last year (granted, 3 is not all), most of the great runs I saw were on sweeps, using his speed to the edge (which we saw vs. the KC scrubs,) because the linebackers couldn't move quick enough to seal the outside or shoot the gap.

Does it bother you that you get destroyed every time you attempt to make a point?

Destroyed? It appears to me and certainly to others that most of your attempted points thus far in this thread have been completely ficitional. I'm getting a nice laugh out of this so I might keep going, I don't know though. Don't even attempt to tell me my points are getting destroyed because I've already been complimented by people saying that I've made some great points up to this point in the thread. It's truly amusing to read some of the stuff you say though. It's merely opinion and yet you spin it off to be fact. At this point, a debate over whether Moore or Fason will be better for this team in the future is almost impossible and a waste of my time because frankly, I feel that I get dumber arguing my views with you.

How cute.

As much as I admire my influence in your life, I must say that I am not the source of your waning validity :-p.

Also, 'certainly to others' is what we call a 'cry for help.'

Actually, Today I did comment to 2611 that I thought he brought up some good points in this thread.

I backup 2611 on this discussion. Memo is a great young RB don't get me wrong, but I think C4 has what it takes to be a powerhouse back and the future starter on this team. Memo might come out and prove 2611 and I wrong, but I think that with Memo being smaller and not picking up blitzes as well, plus a few other issues, C4 is what this team needs more (maybe not this year but in a year or two I predict big things for him) He has such beautiful cutbacks, and vision. They were both 4th rounders (Will we see any RB's drafted higher? Probably not for awhile) Memo and C4 both have a shot at it, certainly if Bennett goes down or underachives, but I'm giving the edge to Fason (for future back at least) keep at it guy's, it gives us something to read at night :lol:

All in all, I hope Bennett ends this argument by having a career season. :grin:

Right, see, the issue here is that both of you are saying 'I think,' 'I predict,' and 'maybe,' and 'in a year or two.'

The cold hard facts are Mewelde Moore produced 6.3 yards per touch for us last year, had the most prolific three game stretch in our history last year, produced the longest gain of the night last Friday and produced behind a shoddy line that would have driven Bennett to alcoholism.

The summary is that Mewelde Moore is the back of right now who has proven it against NFL competition.

Wow, were you dropped on your head as a kid? There's something missing from your brain that left a long time ago... maybe acceptance... the acceptance that you're an a55. :???: I'm sure you'll say that me using that word made my arguement weak but honestly, at this point I don't care at all what you say.

Almost everything you've typed in this thread has been your OPINION as has what most of what I've said has been. Yet, you feel that you're stating facts... what's wrong with you, is your skull really that thick? Can any human really believe that they're right when saying the poo that comes out of the whole in your face? As you can see where I last quoted you I bolded some opinions you made in an attempt to make them clearer to you so you understand they're are not actually COLD HARD FACTS.

As Ak and I stated, we PREDICT Fason will be the starter in a couple years... possibly less. If you don't like it and you want to set and cry about me stating my OPINION to counter your OPINIONS you can get over because all most of this site is is opinions. You don't know everything, nor do I and I'll be the first to admit it. But I guess you can't because as I said poor lil' you was dropped on your head or something and can't accept anything you don't want to hear.

I understand you could be right about Moore but because our opinions differ, I'm not going to agree with you... I'll disagree. You catching on at this point?

In a thread a while back we had this discussion and I showed you that Moore played against some of the worst run defenses in the league(can't remember the ranks right now). Now if you want to continue your rediculous ranting about how you're right, go ahead. I'm through with this thread and I'm not posting in it again. I'm sure for this reason you're going to make a post in which you say something about how I'm so wrong but honestly I don't care. You're beginning to bore me with your constant posting about how you know all the cold hard facts. Good day.

Sorry, I just wanted to add another quote box to this one. :grin:

"V-Unit" wrote:

"RandyMoss8404" wrote:

The problem is that you're placing your faith in Mike Tice: Please see botched fake field goal, allowing Linehan to call a play that has Moss throw a pass into the end zone on a crucial play, etc.

Yes I am placing my faith in Mike Tice and I have nothing wrong with that. I do not like him, but the fact he is our coach demands my respect and trust.

Sure you can list all the dumb things he has done and I will agree it was a stupid decision, but I can't go into every play of every game fearing that Mike Tice has made a wrong decision, it just is not healthy as a fan. Faith and doubt are polar opposites and I refuse to sit and watch a game and doubt MB when the whole team that I'm cheering for has faith in him. The same goes for MM. No matter who starts, for a fan to be continuosly pessimistic about the situation isn't very fan-like at all. For that split second before the play, when you see MB in the backfield and think, "This play is going nowhere because Bennett is in." You are actually cheering AGAINST your team. So, because I am a fan and never cheer against my team, I don't do that. If that means putting my faith in a coach who has messed up multiple times, thats fine with me.

So now being a realist makes you a traitor?

When I look and see Jeremiah Trotter and Brian Dawkins in the box, and Michael Bennett is lined up in an I behind Daunte, you're right, I'm thinking 'Wow, let's watch 1-yard-and-a-cloud-of-dust.' That's not rooting against my team, it's just knowing that Michael Bennett couldn't find a hole if he was running at Michael Strahan's front teeth.

Mewelde on the other hand would most likely break some arm tackles and wiggle his way for 10 yards. That's just how it is.

I like moore's style, better than Bennett's and in watching last year, I think Moore was excellent at breaking tackles. Yards after first hit was pretty good. I always hate those backs that fall down as soon as the defender grabs them.