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    Spielman's Draft track record made signing FA CB more crucial


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    Well ... he has definitely missed a few times on CBs ... but that is life. He did not reach for any of them. And it appears that Rhodes was a good pick at this point.

    Cook, McCauley and Robinson obviously stick out ... as does Tyrell Johnson ... in the defensive backfield as misses. But Cedric Griffin, Xavier Rhodes and Asher Allen were not bad picks (though Allen retiring kind of sucked). All where picked about where they should have been draft wise ... we just happen to be the team that got screwed by them.

    With Rhodes and Harrison Smith in the DB rotation now ... Spielman can really get rid of the negative DB stigma by hitting on another CB somewhere in the first four rounds this year. There is a lot of CB talent out there this season ... and decent SS talent as well.

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    The draft is pretty much a crap shoot most of the time, especially for positions other than those on offense that handle the ball. And for those that handle the ball it is still pretty much a crap shoot. At least in FA you have some idea of whether they can play at the NFL level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RK. View Post
    The draft is pretty much a crap shoot most of the time, especially for positions other than those on offense that handle the ball. And for those that handle the ball it is still pretty much a crap shoot. At least in FA you have some idea of whether they can play at the NFL level.
    It is a crap shoot for Spielman and the Vikings, for sure.
    It seems less so for Seattle and New England for some reason!
    I don't hold Spielman solely responsible for anything in the draft prior to being promoted to GM. And there was a stupid theory about inferior cover cornerbacks being adequate in a Tampa 2/cover 2, scheme when Childress was brought it in.
    Rhodes was known as a cover corner coming out of college. Hopefully Spielman has learned the value of a corner that can play man and zone.
    The coaching and systems should be an improvement, but they weren't the only problem.
    Spielman simply needs to improve. Instead of hitting grand slams, he needs to hit a lot of base hits. Team sport. The bottom tier of starters and back ups needs to improve for the team to be strong. Hopefully that has begun with this years free agency moves, and will continue throughout the draft and off season.

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    i think every team should be able to find a stud plug in and start guy ,with their first pick this years draft .after that it a bonus to find a starter ...you can find guys to come in a challange guys for playing time and compete.find guys that stay around and get into the starting lineup by their third year .that would be awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by smegmavike View Post
    It is a crap shoot for Spielman and the Vikings, for sure.
    It seems less so for Seattle and New England for some reason!
    I don't hold Spielman solely responsible for anything in the draft prior to being promoted to GM. And there was a stupid theory about inferior cover cornerbacks being adequate in a Tampa 2/cover 2, scheme when Childress was brought it in.
    Rhodes was known as a cover corner coming out of college. Hopefully Spielman has learned the value of a corner that can play man and zone.
    The coaching and systems should be an improvement, but they weren't the only problem.
    Spielman simply needs to improve. Instead of hitting grand slams, he needs to hit a lot of base hits. Team sport. The bottom tier of starters and back ups needs to improve for the team to be strong. Hopefully that has begun with this years free agency moves, and will continue throughout the draft and off season.
    The Patriots are amazing, but the Seahawks have had a few really really good drafts RECENTLY. They have not been as a "great at the draft" team previously, so whether that continues remains to be seen.

    This year the game should slow down for Rhodes, I'm expecting great things; Floydd as well! I would love to see another CB drafted to go with the veterans we got from FA, but I'm hoping for some "Zimmer late round magic" with that position.

    If I got my way, I would go QB, 2 LBs and one more star WR, then use the later rounds for the rest.

    P.S. Who those people are I don't know; I just think we have let the LB position kinda get away from us. Let's invest into the position if the players are there to do so...
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    Speilman.... has issues drafting many positions. Anything less than a 1st rounder....we swing and miss on. That's why bad teams stay bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Speilman.... has issues drafting many positions. Anything less than a 1st rounder....we swing and miss on. That's why bad teams stay bad.
    Players Rick Spielman has taken past round one that probably do not classify as "swing and miss":

    Brian Robison (Round 4)
    Sidney Rice (Round 2)
    John Sullivan (Round 6)
    Letroy Guion (Round 5)
    Jamarca Sanford (Round 7)
    Jasper Brinkley (Round 5)
    Phil Loadholt (Round 2)
    Everson Griffen (Round 4)
    Toby Gerhart (Round 2)
    Brandon Fusco (Round 6)
    Kyle Rudolph (Round 2)
    Blair Walsh (Round 6)
    Audie Cole (Round 7)
    Jarius Wright (Round 4)

    There is three Pro Bowl selections in there (and very likely more to come). While many of these guys are not superstars ... all of them filled the value for where they were selected. I don't see many teams out there nabbing superstars in the 4th-7th round. At best ... it happens occasionally. Getting the production we get from Sullivan, Fusco, Walsh, Sanford and Cole already ... they have already exceeded their draft spots and would be drafted much higher if that same class were "redrafted" today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewlovs View Post
    The Patriots are amazing, but the Seahawks have had a few really really good drafts RECENTLY. They have not been as a "great at the draft" team previously, so whether that continues remains to be seen.

    This year the game should slow down for Rhodes, I'm expecting great things; Floydd as well! I would love to see another CB drafted to go with the veterans we got from FA, but I'm hoping for some "Zimmer late round magic" with that position.

    If I got my way, I would go QB, 2 LBs and one more star WR, then use the later rounds for the rest.

    P.S. Who those people are I don't know; I just think we have let the LB position kinda get away from us. Let's invest into the position if the players are there to do so...
    Yeah ... Seattle has had some really shitty drafts in the not-so-distant past. I think where they hit it big was Chancellor, Wagner, Wilson and Sherman. Those guys were later draft picks that have panned out fantastically and covered for some questionable first and second rounders.

    The Patriots are notorious for getting EVERYTHING out of a player ... which is why alot of their players leave for money elsewhere and are busts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Yeah ... Seattle has had some really shitty drafts in the not-so-distant past. I think where they hit it big was Chancellor, Wagner, Wilson and Sherman. Those guys were later draft picks that have panned out fantastically and covered for some questionable first and second rounders.

    The Patriots are notorious for getting EVERYTHING out of a player ... which is why alot of their players leave for money elsewhere and are busts.
    How does this relate to Spielman's draft track record ?

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