Thread: Spielman and Peterson
Spielman and Peterson
I don't care about the previous yada yada about Spielman
The guy is showing good acumen with his reigns off so far.
We often discuss is a player ready, but we ignore the training staff (we have the best in Sug), the management and more. We know AP wants to roll. But I am more than happy about them looking long term for a guy who will exceed the average lifespan of a running back in the NFL.
I am seeing smarter and smarter decisions... And don't get me started on the Blair over Longwell choice. It's was non obvious for many of us... But I see positive movement.
08-23-2012, 05:55 AM #2
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
"If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"
08-23-2012, 06:45 AM #3
Elite pass rusher - Jason Taylor / Allen
Elite Rb - Ricky Williams/ Peterson
Journeyman Qbs - Sage / Sage
1 WR & a bunch of nobodys - Chris Chambers / Percy Harvin
Its the only way he knows how to build a team. Years of crappy offensive.
08-23-2012, 08:59 AM #4
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I like what Spielman has done so far. He has made a commitment to bringing in young players - something that lots of coaches and GMs say, but few REALLY enforce. Green Bay is a good example of a team that prefers to farm young players rather than buy them on the market (and last I checked their offense is doing OK).
I also think that he hit it out of the park with the draft. Kalil was a no brainer of course, but swapping with Cleveland took some skill. And the extra pick he got for that allowed us to move back into the first round and pick Smith - who will be starting game 1. Despite what you say - we haven't wasted lots of 2nd/3rd round picks on average secondary players. This year we picked Robinson in the 3rd, and we will see how he turns out. Cook was a early 2nd, and he was playing very well before his legal issues. Allen was a flop, and he WAS picked in the 3rd. But how much of that was Spielman, and how much was the "TOA"? CB was an obvious need for us this year, and the combination of picking Robinson, bringing in Carr, and getting Cook back definitely improved that position.
Do we need more WRs? Yes we do. I don't think we needed them more than we needed LT and S, so that would have put us into the third round of the draft. Was there a WR on the board who would make more of an impact that Robinson will at CB? Possibly, but you said yourself that offensive success is harder to predict than defensive success - especially once out of the first and second rounds.
We needed help in a lot of areas this year. I think Simpson was a very good pick up, and I hope they manage to keep Harvin happy. I would expect that WR will be a priority in the offseason next year, but if anybody is expecting them to make a huge splash with an aging veteran, they will be disappointed. Spielman's strategy is to build through youth, and I think that is the right strategy.
All in all, so far into Spielman's first year as a true GM, I like the decisions he has been making, and I think he is doing a decent job.Zeus wrote:
When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?
08-23-2012, 11:39 AM #5
Cobb 2nd rounder
Finley 3rd rounder
Jennings 2nd rounder
Nelson 2nd rounder
James Jones 3rd rounder
Arceuex - Undrafted
Aromashodu - 7th
Carson - 2nd * castoff
Harvin - 1st
Rudolph - 2nd
Simpson - If he makes it big this year, We will have to pay top price to keep him. Paying top price is a waste of cap. Either commit to the guy when he is cheap or find someone else. Bad GMing is taking a chance on a guy and then over paying for him the next season.
Harvin - We are going to lose Harvin. I think NWE is going to sign him for the contract they should have paid Wes Welker. Welker is older and they have him tagged this season. Harvin gets his contract and Welker is allowed to walk. We are left with.....
Not addressing WR until the 4th. Childs gone and that leaves Wright. Simpson goes back to his drug shipping business and we are starting from scratch. AGAIN
Spielman's MO is.... he will stock spill Defenders till the cows come home and let the offense rot. He did it in Miami... He is doing it now.
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08-23-2012, 01:35 PM #8
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As yes he has been with the Vikings since 2006, but not in the GM role until this year.
You are catastrophizing the WR situation. Yes, we need a better WR corps. But you have Harvin going to New England, Simpson shipping drugs again... maybe we should wait a little bit and see what happens in the real world before we start reacting to the worst case scenario.
And if Spielman had given Simpson a long term contract people (including you) would be calling for his head. A one year contract was a good move - especially when no other team was interested. If we committed to him now and then he didnt work out we would have either continued to overpay a substandard WR (Berrian?) or cut him and take a cap hit. Just because YOU wouldn't have done it that way doesn't mean it wasn't a good move. But you are more than welcome to submit your extensive resume to the Minnesota Vikings if you honestly believe you can do a better job.
Safety in Free Agency? Who exactly were you thinking of? Landry? He Achilles injuries in both 2010 and 2011, and was barely on the field last year? Smith was a much better choice.
I understand where you are coming from - you obviously place a much higher priority on WR, and considering the way the NFL is right now I don't disagree with you. But that doesn't make the other choices wrong. With all of the holes we had coming into the offseason, we simply were not going to fill them all. Now that we were able to shore up our secondary (which was easily the worst part of the team last year), I am sure WR will be a higher priority the coming offseason. Have patience.
08-23-2012, 01:49 PM #9
I would not bash him for giving Simpson a value deal. His value right now is low.
I would bash him if he didnt work out because that's poor player evaluation. My point is and still is, we gain nothing by helping Simpson. Nothing, we risk driving his value up and him leaving or... over paying for him. Rock and hard place.
As for FAs, Atogwe jumps out and I think Huff was available as well (could be wrong, it was a long offseason). I begged for Carlos Rodgers 2 years ago when he was dirt cheap. Beggged!!!!!
The safety position in the league is in shambles. There aren't more than 9 starting caliber Safeties and in the draft they are over valued. I still don't like the smith pick. He looks good as an outside LB and all of his highlights so far have been in moves associated with that position. Still waiting to see him turn and run because Jennings will be testing that.
08-23-2012, 02:16 PM #10
In today's NFL a GM is only as good as his QB. Until we find a franchise QB we will continue to be mediocre at best.
As far as Peterson I think it remains to be seen how he will be used. It's easy to say you are going to take it slow and limit his carries, and keep him out of preseason, but in a close game will they really keep him on the sidelines? Spielman and the coaches know that one win could be the difference between keeping their jobs and being fired.