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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Singer, when are you going to learn that Marrdro doesn't deal in facts or logic, only conspiracy theories and convoluted BS....

    Of COURSE the Rams trade doesn't factor in here because if it did it would render moot everything Marr has previously stated on this topic. And we all know what great pains Marr will go to to pretend that his POV is valid...

    Examples:

    "Jackson is a quality QB"
    "Childress didn't want Favre back"
    "Wilf MADE Childress play Favre"
    "Moss didn't improve our offense"
    "Childress doesn't draft players"
    "Childress doesn't sign players"
    "Childress is a quality HC"
    "Spielman made a great trade"

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    See a pattern?

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    It was a decent trade but there was no genious-ness behind pulling the trigger on it. Only a team wanting the #3 pick bad enough & ponying up some later round picks for it.

    What if them wanting the RB had just been a ruse & they end up taking Kalil with our #3 pick? How good of a trade would it have been then?

    My guess is we would have then taken Blackmon or Claiborne and Spielman would have said that was the guy they were targeting.
    What if a gigantic meteor struck earth at the time we were about to make our pick and ended life as we know it? what good would the trade have been then?

    Anyone can play the what if game at any time with any scenario.

    As far as the guess statement, Dead on. As it would be/is with every team drafting. Never heard a GM say, "we really wanted X but those a-holes took him so we had to take Y, we'll make the best of it"
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    No argument, RGIII was perceived as a much higher prize. That's where you separate the value of the trade from the genius of the trade.

    The first is easy to grasp, the second is up to debate. Especially with limited knowledge at our disposal. My take is it's best to give them both credit for taking advantage of their respective situations. Don't need to glorify either GM, but they both do deserve some credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshallvike View Post
    What if a gigantic meteor struck earth at the time we were about to make our pick and ended life as we know it? what good would the trade have been then?

    Anyone can play the what if game at any time with any scenario.

    As far as the guess statement, Dead on. As it would be/is with every team drafting. Never heard a GM say, "we really wanted X but those a-holes took him so we had to take Y, we'll make the best of it"
    Bottom line is we were offered the trade because we held the #3 pick. If another team had held that pick, they would have been the ones getting that deal. Spielman's cunning & genius didn't lure them in & force them into a trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    Yes Marrdro is very exhausting in his relentless nature of defending his asinine assumptions. I think he half believes it and the other half just enjoys the "discussion".

    The St. Louis trade was a much bigger value. Whether or not their GM was more ingenious than ours can be debated.

    IMO, both GM's deserve credit for utilizing their position to maximize their leverage. St. Louis received more value (although they kept trading and not sure they didn't get a little too clever). Spielman does deserve credit for taking advantage of his position while still getting the person the team was obviously targeting.
    On the first part, assinine asumptions is a pretty rough statement. And where the f()k is smegma, defending a fellow ppo'er against personal attacks?
    Is he just my personal Barney Fife? Comeon, dig the bullit out of your shirt pocket smegma and deal with this travesty.

    Second part, agreed, St Louis was far more ingenious in their trade only because they drafted one spot ahead of us in a 2 QB draft.

    And C, agreed. St Louis got stupid and traded out of geting a probable franchise player and screwed up.
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Bottom line is we were offered the trade because we held the #3 pick. If another team had held that pick, they would have been the ones getting that deal. Spielman's cunning & genius didn't lure them in & force them into a trade.
    True. Although I think there is some merit to the talk of him creating a cloud around who we were looking at and who wanted to trade up for Richardson.

    Same could be said for St Louis to a greater degree about their draft position and trade. The GM's make the best of what they have to deal with. I am just glad Spielman wasn't stupid enough to pass on Kalil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshallvike View Post
    True. Although I think there is some merit to the talk of him creating a cloud around who we were looking at and who wanted to trade up for Richardson.

    Same could be said for St Louis to a greater degree about their draft position and trade. The GM's make the best of what they have to deal with. I am just glad Spielman wasn't stupid enough to pass on Kalil.

    The cloud he threw up involved Kalil, Blackmon & Claiborne, none of which mattered one iota to Cleveland, who wanted the RB . Any interest it drew for the #3 pick to take one of those 3 posed no threat to the Browns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshallvike View Post
    I am just glad Spielman wasn't stupid enough to pass on Kalil.
    Given his track record this offseason up to that point, I do give him credit for not passing on Kalil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    What if them wanting the RB had just been a ruse & they end up taking Kalil with our #3 pick? How good of a trade would it have been then?
    Absolutely fantastic and the best scenario that could have played out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    The cloud he threw up involved Kalil, Blackmon & Claiborne, none of which mattered one iota to Cleveland, who wanted the RB . Any interest it drew for the #3 pick to take one of those 3 posed no threat to the Browns.
    Wait there Singer. There you go using logic. Everyone says...what a great job Speilman did fooling the others into thinking he would draft any of those these players.....but then they ignore the fact that the trade was for a player that he was not mentioning in his snow job. Logic is a foreign language here.

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