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    I think Floyd will be okay. It's hard for any player to make a big impact off the bench, because they don't get enough reps. He did have 2.5 sacks, 2 pass deflections, and a fumble forced.

    Obviously if we redrafted today knowing what we know now, every team would have done a few things differently, but I think we got more right than we got wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarkenton10 View Post
    If we are going to a 3-4 it is definitely a mistake and wasted pick, he fits nowhere in a 3-4. His arms are not that short and he should be a good replacement for Williams as a 3tech in a 4-3 scheme. So if we stay with a 4-3, the jury is still out he may become a good starter, will he play like Williams, probably not!
    When you look at Williams with Guion or Evans beside him, he hasn't done much. His only outstanding game this year was at nose tackle. People may want to blame it on age or injury, but reality is, Williams needs a Nose tackle like Phat Pat beside him to excel. A nose tackle type that commands double teams and is able to take on those double teams without getting pushed out of the hole. A nose tackle that has the speed and endurance to run sideline to sideline until the whistle blows.
    Neither Guion or Evans have that ability. They are often washed out of the hole by a single blocker.
    If the Vikings aquire a DT with the skill set of Phat Pat, KW, or more likely Floyd, will do fine at the 3 technique.
    Zimmer said he wants to run the same defense as he ran in Cinci', a 4-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcdon00 View Post
    I think Floyd will be okay. It's hard for any player to make a big impact off the bench, because they don't get enough reps. He did have 2.5 sacks, 2 pass deflections, and a fumble forced.

    Obviously if we redrafted today knowing what we know now, every team would have done a few things differently, but I think we got more right than we got wrong.
    I agree. We also do not know the future. Floyd could have five straight Pro Bowl seasons, or he could get limited play and bust.

    I am bringing this up because it is likely the Vikings would have drafted Cordarrelle Patterson with their second pick if Floyd had not been on the board. They obviously rated Floyd high, and they selected him - forcing the dominoes to fall and the trade to be made for the pick to select Patterson. Thus, the question may not be, "Was Patterson worth it?" It may be, "Was Floyd worth it?"

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    Floyd will be a great player for a long time. He is just a rookie this year. I am always amazed at the people on this board that think every rookie should be an all pro the first year they are here and if they aren't somehow they are a bust. Please.........

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    What a stupid question! No they should have not passed on Floyd since they need to find a replacement for Kevin Williams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    The problem with that concept is we didn't have the patriots staff to make those picks so we would have just drafted a few Greg Blues and a few Marcus McCauleys instead.
    Greg Blue is a Beast!

    I read the thread here myself, so it must be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minniman View Post
    The Vikings used their first of two first round draft picks on Sharrif Floyd. Many teams passed on Floyd. Speculation is that Sharrif did not have an NFL body with his short arms, and he did not have the ability to push the line against large offensive linemen and create pressure inside.

    After choosing Sharrif Floyd, the Vikings selected cornerback Xavier Rhodes, who played well in his rookie season. He made rookie mistakes and was injured during part of the season, but Rhodes looks like he may be a good player in the NFL.

    The Vikings then traded several picks to get back into the first round and draft wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson. As an inexperienced college receiver, Patterson was brought along slowly, but as a return specialist, he excelled immediately. Patterson has huge upside if he can be consistent as a receiver. He was named to the Pro Bowl as a rookie.

    There are many what-ifs about trading the pick that became Patterson to New England, but what if the Vikings had passed over Floyd and drafted Rhodes and Patterson straight up?

    By the way, here is what New England got with those picks ...

    Second round pick, No. 52 overall: linebacker Jamie Collins.

    Third round pick, No. 83 overall: cornerback Logan Ryan.

    Fourth round pick, No. 102 overall: wide receiver Josh Boyce.

    Seventh round pick, No. 229 overall: Traded with Jeff Demps for running back LeGarrette Blount.

    Here is an article regarding those picks:

    Revisiting trade on draft day
    Patterson was more than just a pro-bowler, he's All-Pro in his first year.
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    I was fine with the pickup.
    Just wish we didn't have to give up so much for Patterson. I would have loved to nab Keenan Allen in the 3rd. Wanted him really badly. All three of the Wrs I wanted looked like the real deal. Hopkins, Allen, Patterson. Funny everyone said there was no stud WR in that draft. Yet all of them looked like they will be future pro bowlers. Even Robert Woods had some huge flashes this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    I was fine with the pickup.
    Just wish we didn't have to give up so much for Patterson. I would have loved to nab Keenan Allen in the 3rd. Wanted him really badly. All three of the Wrs I wanted looked like the real deal. Hopkins, Allen, Patterson. Funny everyone said there was no stud WR in that draft. Yet all of them looked like they will be future pro bowlers. Even Robert Woods had some huge flashes this season.
    I don't think it was as much there was no stud, as it was that each of them had a glaring issue to overcome.

    For Patterson, he had all the talent in the world, but how would he adjust to the pro level? Slowly as it turns out. But as the weeks wore on he got more and more involved and started doing some real good things.

    Hopkins was a factor early, and fizzled down the stretch. His criticism was speed, size and consistency. He was not a gamebreaking playmaker, he had his share of drops and rookie mistakes, and he did not consistently play great. In fact, only once topped 100 yards, topped 70 yards two additional times, 7 of 16 games had fewer than 50 yards, and that was throughout the course of the year (he started 16 games)

    Floyd seems to be the most polished. He took a few games to get going. Did not play week 1, did not start week 2. But starting in week 4, he strung together some pretty good games, topping 100 yards 5 times.

    Patterson, from an offensive production point of view, is third of the bunch. He's been extremely inconsistent, with suspect hands. He's taken a while to get up to speed with the playbook. He's not a guy who will consistently get you six catches for a bunch of yards and a TD. He's a guy who could get you four catches and 160 yards, or 1 catch for six. Where he truly is an asset is his versatility. He's proven he can run well from the backfield, as well as being a beast in the return game. He's got exceptional speed, and even better burst. He needs time still though to become a top receiver. He's got the skills, but needs the focus, knowledge and experience.

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    Most of what I have read said Zimmer creates his scheme based on personnel at hand.
    I have hope and believe he will put Floyd and other in the best position to succeed.

    I did try to watch him this year and most of what I could see was good. Only a few games did I see him get out maneuvered and man handled, he will develop well under good coaching which I believe we now have.
    Go ahead back up your to close away.

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