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    Re:Should Ray Edwards make way for Robison?

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    Seems like having #69 on one side of the line and #96 on the other... just makes sense.
    That actually confuses the piss out of me when they are in on the same plays.. Otherwise, I'm ok with either Edwards or Robison.
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    Re:Should Ray Edwards make way for Robison?

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    Edwards just got a first round tender:
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/ray-edwards-gets-first-round-tender/
    Interesting, but not surprising. There was some talk about this for a few weeks ago.

    This means that if another team makes a contract offer to a player with a first-round tender, in this case Ray Edwards, Vikings have seven days to match it, or they will receive a first-round draft pick as compensation.

    I like Ray Edwards, but the funny thing is that I almost wish someone else matches the tender. The loss of Edwards will not be a big drop-off considering we have a young Brian Robison ready to step up.

    Plus, I wouldn't mind having another draft pick in the first round. Imaging the Vikings drafting Jared Odrick AND Taylor Mays. :woohoo: I would jump through the roof.
    I completely disagree that the Vikes would be better off without Ray Edwards.

    Our defense is one that thrives through getting a pass rush on the QB and there is nobody in this draft IMO that wouldn't downgrade us horribly over having Ray Edwards AND Brian Robison on the field together.
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    Re:Should Ray Edwards make way for Robison?

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    ...That being said, if they let Edwards walk I wouldn't be crushed. I think Robison can come in and do a great job. The only thing I would worry about is Edwards is pretty good about getting his arm up there to block the QBs vision. I don't really know how Robison can do in that capacity.
    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Robison can lift his arms up above his head.

    My concern with Edwards is that he has shown head-case tendencies with his recent comments towards the dictator, ah, I mean Goodell. I am not really a fan of head-case football players on the Vikings.

    Head-case fanatics? No problem. I'm a head-case fanatic and I seem to get along just fine with myself.
    I agree with the head case thing about Ray. He's ran his mouth a few times. I like the job he did in the playoffs. As far as BR being able to put his hands over his head, I'm sure he can unless he has the John McCain syndrome. But that doesn't mean he is as good as Edwards at blocking the QBs vision. To your point though I like Robison and think he would do just fine as a full time starter. In fact, I thinnk he ahs more of a Jared Allen mentality and would probably cause havoc.

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    Re:Should Ray Edwards make way for Robison?

    OK, OK. If we get offered a first rounder for Edwards than Id be satisfied. But I mdont think its gonna happen imo. So I guess we'll have to sign him!

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    Re:Should Ray Edwards make way for Robison?

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    HEY wrote:
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    Edwards just got a first round tender:
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/ray-edwards-gets-first-round-tender/
    Interesting, but not surprising. There was some talk about this for a few weeks ago.

    This means that if another team makes a contract offer to a player with a first-round tender, in this case Ray Edwards, Vikings have seven days to match it, or they will receive a first-round draft pick as compensation.

    I like Ray Edwards, but the funny thing is that I almost wish someone else matches the tender. The loss of Edwards will not be a big drop-off considering we have a young Brian Robison ready to step up.

    Plus, I wouldn't mind having another draft pick in the first round. Imaging the Vikings drafting Jared Odrick AND Taylor Mays. :woohoo: I would jump through the roof.
    I completely disagree that the Vikes would be better off without Ray Edwards.

    Our defense is one that thrives through getting a pass rush on the QB and there is nobody in this draft IMO that wouldn't downgrade us horribly over having Ray Edwards AND Brian Robison on the field together.
    I don't think he's saying we'd be better off without him, but that the dropoff wouldn't be that large.

    I think that Robison has the chance to be a really great pass rusher with his athletic ability, but I don't know if he can defend the run, which is where I think the real dropoff will be, but like I mentioned in my earlier post, I don't see it hurting that much considering our ability to stop the run.

    Edwards is a good pass rusher, and really came alive in the playoffs, but I think that Robison can be even better.

    Chances are we retain Edwards, but if someone is willing to give up a 1st round draft pick, I would be all for that trade. We still need secondary help, and we need a replacement for Pat Williams. Like hey said, Odrick would be a good pick, he's a great talent as an overall DT, Dan Williams is a potential replacement as a run stuffer.

    No matter how this plays out, we'll still have the best defensive line in the NFL.

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    Re:Should Ray Edwards make way for Robison?

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    Seems like having #69 on one side of the line and #96 on the other... just makes sense.
    That actually confuses the piss out of me when they are in on the same plays.. Otherwise, I'm ok with either Edwards or Robison.
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    Honestly, I thought it was something more like launching some stink bombs to the back of the head.

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    Re:Should Ray Edwards make way for Robison?

    No doubt that losing Edwards and getting a First Round pick for him would not hurt that badly.

    I am very excited to continue to watch Ray's rise though. Either way, this is a good tender.

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    Re:Should Ray Edwards make way for Robison?

    Nice move by the Vikes which, if we keep him, gives him a chance to back up his play and show that he is worthy of an extended contract. If he goes then we'll have a replacement able to step in and another 1st round pick.
    If he can show that he's finally made the step up this season then I'm happy to see him get a bigger contract but if he drops off then at least we're not tied to an under performing player on a long contract.
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    Re:Should Ray Edwards make way for Robison?

    Lets look at this logically, instead of from the viewpoint of "Who can get more sacks". Seems to be the viewpoint most of you want to take here..

    a. No one, No one hit the QB more than Ray did last year. That includes Rob. He was also rated in the top 10 of DE's in almost every stat.

    b. Dude got 4 sacks in the playoffs. Big time players step up in situations like that. Ray did.

    c. He is really a RDE who converted to LDE to fill a team need.

    Why, if his stats are so good at getting to the QB are the Vikings willing to part ways with him? My guess, they don't think he will stand up to a full contract of being beat out there at the LDE position.

    For those of you who entertain the idea that Rob would standup any better, you are really missing the mark here, mostly based on what you see him do in "Passing Situations Only" reps he gets.

    Is Rob a great athlete that gives the staff alot of flexibility, hell yes, but again, only in passing situations.

    In the end, this isn't about Rob taking over at LDE. He will remain on the team and fill that "Situational Player" role he is so good at.

    Whats going on here is the Vikes want someone to offer Ray a contract as they are only offering him up as trade bait.

    Vikes unload a player that will probably garner around 30-40 Mil contract, that although he has excelled, really won't make it as a LDE. Vikes get an additional 1rst round pick and, most importantly, the Vikes can then pursue a FA of equal value (Look at the LDE's out there).

    Ultimately that will land them another 1rst rounder this year (probably a top 15 pick or so) that they can use to strenghten thier team and my feeling is that it won't be a DE either. My guess is they are targeting one of the top 5 LT's in this draft.

    If a team in the top 15 matches the offer, they will be able to do that, which would also allow them to dump Big Mac and use that cash to bring in a "True LDE".

    Some potential replacements at LDE

    a. Robinson. Highly doubt it. He is the same type of cat Ray is.
    b. Kapman. Lord help us. That Marrdro character will go off the deep end. Probably not as much as when the Noodle arrived, but still it will be irritating none the less.
    c. Peppers. I'm not so sure on this cat. His production fell off when he was at the LDE position and only really came back up when he shifted to RDE. Age is another issue here.
    d. Adewale Ogunleye. Another LDE that gets overlooked abit because most just look at sack totals. I suspect that because of the recent loss of Adams, the Bores will try to keep him though. Additionally his age could be a detractor.
    e. Marcus Spears. A bit younger and probably not the "big name" that most would love to see, but I think this is the type of cat Spielman will be targeting.

    In the end, I think they are targeting someone flying below our radar that is young, coming off his first contract (reason for the low tender on Ray was to allow us to go after a cat like that.

    And most importantly, it isn't so that Rob can replace him.
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    Re:Should Ray Edwards make way for Robison?

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    Lets look at this logically, instead of from the viewpoint of "Who can get more sacks". Seems to be the viewpoint most of you want to take here..

    a. No one, No one hit the QB more than Ray did last year. That includes Rob. He was also rated in the top 10 of DE's in almost every stat.

    b. Dude got 4 sacks in the playoffs. Big time players step up in situations like that. Ray did.

    c. He is really a RDE who converted to LDE to fill a team need.

    Why, if his stats are so good at getting to the QB are the Vikings willing to part ways with him? My guess, they don't think he will stand up to a full contract of being beat out there at the LDE position.

    For those of you who entertain the idea that Rob would standup any better, you are really missing the mark here, mostly based on what you see him do in "Passing Situations Only" reps he gets.

    Is Rob a great athlete that gives the staff alot of flexibility, hell yes, but again, only in passing situations.

    In the end, this isn't about Rob taking over at LDE. He will remain on the team and fill that "Situational Player" role he is so good at.

    Whats going on here is the Vikes want someone to offer Ray a contract as they are only offering him up as trade bait.

    Vikes unload a player that will probably garner around 30-40 Mil contract, that although he has excelled, really won't make it as a LDE. Vikes get an additional 1rst round pick and, most importantly, the Vikes can then pursue a FA of equal value (Look at the LDE's out there).

    Ultimately that will land them another 1rst rounder this year (probably a top 15 pick or so) that they can use to strenghten thier team and my feeling is that it won't be a DE either. My guess is they are targeting one of the top 5 LT's in this draft.

    If a team in the top 15 matches the offer, they will be able to do that, which would also allow them to dump Big Mac and use that cash to bring in a "True LDE".

    Some potential replacements at LDE

    a. Robinson. Highly doubt it. He is the same type of cat Ray is.
    b. Kapman. Lord help us. That Marrdro character will go off the deep end. Probably not as much as when the Noodle arrived, but still it will be irritating none the less.
    c. Peppers. I'm not so sure on this cat. His production fell off when he was at the LDE position and only really came back up when he shifted to RDE. Age is another issue here.
    d. Adewale Ogunleye. Another LDE that gets overlooked abit because most just look at sack totals. I suspect that because of the recent loss of Adams, the Bores will try to keep him though. Additionally his age could be a detractor.
    e. Marcus Spears. A bit younger and probably not the "big name" that most would love to see, but I think this is the type of cat Spielman will be targeting.

    In the end, I think they are targeting someone flying below our radar that is young, coming off his first contract (reason for the low tender on Ray was to allow us to go after a cat like that.

    And most importantly, it isn't so that Rob can replace him.
    Nice post Marrdro and what you stated about the sack total is something I stated a few posts ago. You cannot compare sack totals between Edwards and Rob. Rob was put in mostly on 3rd down passing situations where all he had to do is rush the QB.

    I like Rob and think he will do just fine. I think he is as good as Ray if not better but it is difficult to compare apples to apples at this point.

    I like the names you through out such as Kampman and Spears. I know the Vikes have been wanting Kampman for a few years now. I think now is there chance. Spears may not be a big name but I think with the right team he can be a dman good DE.

    Regardless, if Ray should go I am fine with it. I think Rob can develope inoto a nice starter if given the chance. Plus it will give the team another 1st rounder and be able to pick up another FA if need be. Good move either way imo.

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