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    Re: Should Hicks stay at left tackle

    "misplacedminnesotan" wrote:
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    [quote author=misplacedminnesotan link=topic=48083.msg841594#msg841594 date=1222094723]
    [quote author=PurpleMafia link=topic=48083.msg841586#msg841586 date=1222094395]
    B-Mac is a pro-bowl caliber player, how could you not start him after the suspension?
    I don't believe he is.
    I think he is too over-hyped.
    Hicks has done a good job with Freeny, Peppers, and KGB (or Kampman I can't remember off-hand).
    If he keeps Vanderbausch off of Gus' butt how can the Vikings coach, in good conscience, say: Hey you've stopped some of the best in the league, but were benching you now.

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    That is a good point, but you can't argue with success. Look at last year. He blocked well for AP, and AP had an MVP year. I think Adrian would be more comfortable running with B-Mac back on the line. He is also argueably the best pass blocker on the team. That being said, I think he would have done the same job as Hicks, not to mention that McKinnie brings more confidence to AP I'm sure.
    Fair statement about AP running good behind Mckinnie, but can you say he has rushed any worse behind Hicks?
    Plus, I think Hicks has a better mean streak, which is something I like from a lineman.
    Behind McKinnie, I believe that AP would have had 200+ against the Colts with ease. There is no doubt that he is running great, but look at last year. Hard to compare anything against two 225+ yard games
    IMO, i'd rather sacrifice arguably a few yards here and there between the difference with BM and AH.. but i think AH more than makes up the difference in the pass blocking area!.. IMO, theres no comparison there!!...

    AH is a better pass blocker than McKinnie.. and so i'd rather give up what arguably is a wash in the running game compared to a superior performance as a pass blocker...

    besides, he wouldn't have played on 4 games.. i'm not sure i'd just plug him in there right away!
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    I agree I think Hicks is better on pass protection.
    On the plugging in, I don't think we will see McKinnie (if he comes back in) until after the bye week.
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    Maybe for good, but he has to get some game time at some point.
    I would imagine that Chilly will acclimate McKinnie back in the lineup one series at time.
    For instance, one series a quarter.
    Again, there is no way McKinnie will be in shape to play a full game upon his return.

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    Re: Should Hicks stay at left tackle

    Well, I'm going to start by saying that Big Mac had better be in the best shape of his freakin life!
    He better be busting his great big ass getting ready to prove to the NFL that he's not a problem child and is a dominant LT, cuz his next suspension will be a year, without pay, and no team in the NFL will want to pay somebody 7-10 mill a year with that kind of loss potential hanging over their heads.
    All the talent in the world doesn't mean spit if it can't stay on the field!

    I'll give you that Hicks has played surprisingly well, and likely is a slight improvement in the pass blocking department...but, IMHO AP has had to work extremely hard for every yard, and there's likely no comparison to what he could be doing with Big Mac pancaking fools on the edge and then moving downfield to smother another!

    My guess is that Big Mac will start the NO game...if he looks slow, or has multiple false starts piling up, maybe we see some of Hicks too...but that McKinnie will be our starter there as the rust comes off down the road.
    I'm hoping/thinking that Big Mac don't want to go out like that, sees the talent on our team, and comes out fired up to play the best 3/4 of a season of his life!!!
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    Re: Should Hicks stay at left tackle

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Well, I'm going to start by saying that Big Mac had better be in the best shape of his freakin life!
    He better be busting his great big jiggly butt getting ready to prove to the NFL that he's not a problem child and is a dominant LT, cuz his next suspension will be a year, without pay, and no team in the NFL will want to pay somebody 7-10 mill a year with that kind of loss potential hanging over their heads.
    All the talent in the world doesn't mean spit if it can't stay on the field!

    I'll give you that Hicks has played surprisingly well, and likely is a slight improvement in the pass blocking department...but, IMHO AP has had to work extremely hard for every yard, and there's likely no comparison to what he could be doing with Big Mac pancaking fools on the edge and then moving downfield to smother another!

    My guess is that Big Mac will start the NO game...if he looks slow, or has multiple false starts piling up, maybe we see some of Hicks too...but that McKinnie will be our starter there as the rust comes off down the road.
    I'm hoping/thinking that Big Mac don't want to go out like that, sees the talent on our team, and comes out fired up to play the best 3/4 of a season of his life!!!
    ;D
    God I hope so.
    Because if McKinnie starts getting beat by fast DEs again, then I would be more than willing to get Hicks in there and pull the trade trigger on McKinnie.
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    Re: Should Hicks stay at left tackle

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    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Well, I'm going to start by saying that Big Mac had better be in the best shape of his freakin life!
    He better be busting his great big jiggly butt getting ready to prove to the NFL that he's not a problem child and is a dominant LT, cuz his next suspension will be a year, without pay, and no team in the NFL will want to pay somebody 7-10 mill a year with that kind of loss potential hanging over their heads.
    All the talent in the world doesn't mean spit if it can't stay on the field!

    I'll give you that Hicks has played surprisingly well, and likely is a slight improvement in the pass blocking department...but, IMHO AP has had to work extremely hard for every yard, and there's likely no comparison to what he could be doing with Big Mac pancaking fools on the edge and then moving downfield to smother another!

    My guess is that Big Mac will start the NO game...if he looks slow, or has multiple false starts piling up, maybe we see some of Hicks too...but that McKinnie will be our starter there as the rust comes off down the road.
    I'm hoping/thinking that Big Mac don't want to go out like that, sees the talent on our team, and comes out fired up to play the best 3/4 of a season of his life!!!
    ;D
    God I hope so.
    Because if McKinnie starts getting beat by fast DEs again, then I would be more than willing to get Hicks in there and pull the trade trigger on McKinnie.
    It is a big trade off.
    BMac gives us the run blocking that allowed for AD to go NUTS last year, but he lacks the pass blocking that a QB like Frerotte needs.
    Hicks has surprised me with how well he has played, but if we are going to hold true to our run game, then we better stick with BMac.
    I think a rotation may serve us very well if the coaches can figure out a way to rotate them and still keep the opposing defense guessing.

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    Re: Should Hicks stay at left tackle

    "MN_SkolVikings_NC" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Well, I'm going to start by saying that Big Mac had better be in the best shape of his freakin life!
    He better be busting his great big jiggly butt getting ready to prove to the NFL that he's not a problem child and is a dominant LT, cuz his next suspension will be a year, without pay, and no team in the NFL will want to pay somebody 7-10 mill a year with that kind of loss potential hanging over their heads.
    All the talent in the world doesn't mean spit if it can't stay on the field!

    I'll give you that Hicks has played surprisingly well, and likely is a slight improvement in the pass blocking department...but, IMHO AP has had to work extremely hard for every yard, and there's likely no comparison to what he could be doing with Big Mac pancaking fools on the edge and then moving downfield to smother another!

    My guess is that Big Mac will start the NO game...if he looks slow, or has multiple false starts piling up, maybe we see some of Hicks too...but that McKinnie will be our starter there as the rust comes off down the road.
    I'm hoping/thinking that Big Mac don't want to go out like that, sees the talent on our team, and comes out fired up to play the best 3/4 of a season of his life!!!
    ;D
    God I hope so.
    Because if McKinnie starts getting beat by fast DEs again, then I would be more than willing to get Hicks in there and pull the trade trigger on McKinnie.
    It is a big trade off.
    BMac gives us the run blocking that allowed for AD to go NUTS last year, but he lacks the pass blocking that a QB like Frerotte needs.
    Hicks has surprised me with how well he has played, but if we are going to hold true to our run game, then we better stick with BMac.
    I think a rotation may serve us very well if the coaches can figure out a way to rotate them and still keep the opposing defense guessing.
    I keep wondering how in the hell Mount never gave up a single sack in college.
    That was supposed to be a big selling point.

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    Re: Should Hicks stay at left tackle

    Big Mac's level of play has never impressed me, vis a vis the level we drafted him.
    Hicks has been burned a few times, but Big Mac gets burned too.
    Actually, Hick's level of play surprised me.
    He's done pretty damn good for someone who was supposed to get his clock cleaned.
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    Re: Should Hicks stay at left tackle

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    Big Mac's level of play has never impressed me, vis a vis the level we drafted him.
    Hicks has been burned a few times, but Big Mac gets burned too.
    Actually, Hick's level of play surprised me.
    He's done pretty gol 'darnit good for someone who was supposed to get his clock cleaned.
    He is also doing it with a hurt elbow, when alot of stuff you do as an OT is using your arms along with good foot work.
    Four score and seven years ago, Brad Childress has brought upon this team, a west coast offense, conceived in San Francisco, and Dedicated to be a Kick jiggly butt offence. We are now engaged in an NFL season, testing weather that offense can get going or that our defense can long endure.

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    Re: Should Hicks stay at left tackle

    Actually, I wouldn't mind doing the alternating left tackle.
    Make Hicks the 3rd down specialist, every 3rd down so not to be so predictable.
    It gives us a fresh set of legs for the critical 3rd downs where you know the D is amped up and it gives McK a breather for after we make the 1st down to keep running it down their throats.
    We do a lot of rotating with our D Line, we should do the same with our O Line, especially at a critical position like LT.
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    Re: Should Hicks stay at left tackle

    Absolutely not.

    When McKinnie gets back it's his spot.

    McKinnie isn't the best in the world and Hicks isn't the worst. But he's undersized, playing out of position, and it showed against Green Bay and Indy, I didn't get to watch the Carolina game, so I'm not sure how he did there, but I distinctly remember screaming about him several times in the aforementioned GB and Indy games.

    And those of you talking about McKinnie coming back, he's gonna look like crap for at least the first half of his first game back, just because it's not week 1 doesn't mean there isn't any rust.

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    Re: Should Hicks stay at left tackle

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    I'd like to have some depth at line for a change so no I wouldnt be fond of the trade even thought I think BM is not as good as some people think he is.
    Couldn't agree more...

    BM falls under the "good" category, perhaps he has the talent/ability to make it to very good, but probably not great...
    He's a better-than-average LT in the NFL who is paid better than he should be paid, but that's what it takes to keep him here at this time.


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