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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    Neither CB can cover well. But Winfield plays smarter and is awesome on the line. Both have been beat prolly equally. Im no Smoot fan but he has been playing better and tackling better. He used to tackle like he wanted to break his neck.

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    You guys are F*CKING blind. If your still sticking up for smoot your seriously lost. I've seen every game since he's been here and his quiet games are considered his good games by our fans. I don't have a hate thing with smoot i was really pumped when we got him but he hasn't produced. He looks bad in his back pedel then when he comes out of it to make a play on a ball he's far to late, no quickness. No instincts, he's not playing up to level (consintly fears being beat deep). That leads to the bench, sorry his brother died but thats all it took for grifith to get his shot, and he ran with it. If childress puts smoot back in..... he's not a very good coach.


    Everyone used to rag on how bad Brian Williams was, i was always one of his biggest fans. I wish we still had him in a sense. I like grifith though i think he will become a better all around corner.


    DEL RIO: How can you say AW isn't a good cover corner? I know he's a great tackler and i think that it overshadows his coverage skills but the man is a beast. He rarley blows coverage he's always right on top of things. His shortest hurts him, if he was to be as tall as Bailey i think he would be considered with the tops in the NFL. I can think of countless times he was an inch or two from batting balls away but the WR out jumped him or used his height advantage.

    I think winfields coverage skills are far above average for an NFL corner, and definitly considered AT LEAST good. I can't think of more than 5 corners i would take over Winfield.

    I wonder sometimes how you got to so many posts without getting flamed regularly ... oh wait ...
    If you want to make arguments, please at least get the friggin names right. The guy's name is GRIFFIN ... not that difficult. Besides the fact that you misspelled griffith anyways.
    There are not necesarrily five better corners in football, but Winfield does not cover guys any better than average at best. You even said so yourself "I can think of countless times he was an inch or two from batting balls away but the WR out jumped him or used his height advantage." That is PART OF FRIGGIN RATING A CORNER, not giving up catches! OF course if he was as tall, fast and as good as Bailey he would be as good as Bailey ... so would I if I was as good as Bailey.
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    Winfield is the best tackling DB in all of football (Ronde a close second), but he has a lot of trouble guarding taller receivers and faster recievers, both of which are all over this league. This only emphasizes the fact that our Cover 2 is failing because a corner who is good at tackling and has good hands but not great coverage skills can excel ... and he still gives up plays here and there that should not be happening. All of our DBs leave a lot to be desired right now.

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    Griffen had a decent game. not one that i would pull his name out as the best player on D.

    Smoot has had several years of nagging injuries, is this an excuse to say that he didn't play up to his supposed level? no. but we should understand that he is fitting in better and better into the scheme Tomlin is doing. and i've seen Smoot's performance improve game to game. Griffen will be a great cb one day. is he there now?
    no. but he's a great backup and relief player that can fill in several spots.

    work needs to be done in our secondary. and our DB's need to start showing their grit. but all in all. it's not our D that is in such dire need of rehashing. with this D we can remain in games very well, and consistently.

    Unless we are in the meeting rooms, discussing what went wrong with each play with the coaches and players. we really don't know who broke what assignment. or who got burned. we can judge it by what we see, our personel football knowledge, and if u want.. the oral garbage from tv anouncers/anal-ysts.. I'm sure there's always gonna be a few players that people will take sides on. Smoot's one of um.

    I'm willing to let this year run it's course.. then at the end make some judgements on who played how, and who should either step it up or be benched as we look into the next draft/pre-season.

    for now, i back every1 wearing the purple jersey's of the ViKiNGs

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    "midgensa" wrote:
    OF course if he was as tall, fast and as good as Bailey, he would be as good as Bailey ... so would I if I was as good as Bailey.
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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

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    I thought Cedric Griffin had an absolutely awesome game yesterday. Yes he was covering unheralded recievers for the most part, but he looked good. He swooped in and made tackles even when giving the WR some cusion.

    Personally I think he played better than Smoot has played in any game this season. That's just my opinion though.
    Based purely on tackling ability, my opinion is "Yes".

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    he looked good, tackling recievers before the 1st down.
    he's got my vote.
    after all, he wasn't to blame for covering donald driver last week.
    give him a go.

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

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    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    You guys are F*CKING blind. If your still sticking up for smoot your seriously lost. I've seen every game since he's been here and his quiet games are considered his good games by our fans. I don't have a hate thing with smoot i was really pumped when we got him but he hasn't produced. He looks bad in his back pedel then when he comes out of it to make a play on a ball he's far to late, no quickness. No instincts, he's not playing up to level (consintly fears being beat deep). That leads to the bench, sorry his brother died but thats all it took for grifith to get his shot, and he ran with it. If childress puts smoot back in..... he's not a very good coach.


    Everyone used to rag on how bad Brian Williams was, i was always one of his biggest fans. I wish we still had him in a sense. I like grifith though i think he will become a better all around corner.


    DEL RIO: How can you say AW isn't a good cover corner? I know he's a great tackler and i think that it overshadows his coverage skills but the man is a beast. He rarley blows coverage he's always right on top of things. His shortest hurts him, if he was to be as tall as Bailey i think he would be considered with the tops in the NFL. I can think of countless times he was an inch or two from batting balls away but the WR out jumped him or used his height advantage.

    I think winfields coverage skills are far above average for an NFL corner, and definitly considered AT LEAST good. I can't think of more than 5 corners i would take over Winfield.

    I wonder sometimes how you got to so many posts without getting flamed regularly ... oh wait ...
    If you want to make arguments, please at least get the friggin names right. The guy's name is GRIFFIN ... not that difficult. Besides the fact that you misspelled griffith anyways.
    There are not necesarrily five better corners in football, but Winfield does not cover guys any better than average at best. You even said so yourself "I can think of countless times he was an inch or two from batting balls away but the WR out jumped him or used his height advantage." That is PART OF FRIGGIN RATING A CORNER, not giving up catches! OF course if he was as tall, fast and as good as Bailey he would be as good as Bailey ... so would I if I was as good as Bailey.
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    Winfield is the best tackling DB in all of football (Ronde a close second), but he has a lot of trouble guarding taller receivers and faster recievers, both of which are all over this league. This only emphasizes the fact that our Cover 2 is failing because a corner who is good at tackling and has good hands but not great coverage skills can excel ... and he still gives up plays here and there that should not be happening. All of our DBs leave a lot to be desired right now.
    As many posts as you have i'm surprised i don't rember you bettter. Maybe your posts are full of bashing people for there spelling instead of talking about football. I didn't know this was English class and i do believe we have rules against bashing other peoples spelling. You could have left all the BS about me not knowing how to spell outta that post. A waste of your time and everyone elses. Everybody knew who i was talking about, not a big deal. I earned a degree with my spelling, i'm comfortable with it.

    Your post makes no sense, our cover two is failing because we are giving opposing WR's 4 to 5 seconds to run around in our secondary, find a soft spot and catch the ball. We get no pressure with our front four, causing us to send at least one or two LB's on the blitz to free things up(We are no longer playing a cover 2). Leaving Our CB's and Safety's on an island. I still don't understand, our defense isn't failing anyways, they give a chance to win everygame, aside from the New England game.

    I disagree with you, average at best is incorrect. It might be great if our dline could ever get any pressure on the QB. How you think smoot got his reputation? In washington they got pressure on the QB. I do not consider blanket coverage on a perfect pass as getting burned. Most times that WR goes straight to the ground, no YAC. Since AW has been with the vikings our dline pressure has been pretty poor.

    I'm not here to make winfield into Champ Bailey but his coverage skills are above average for an NFL corner. I'll stick to it because of what he has done since he's been here. I've been impressed with his overall game. In the end i guess its just an opinion.

    How can you be an average cover corner when you rarley give up a big play and your on the field every down, every year, and specail teams?


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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    i dont know if this should be a new topic, so i just put it in here.
    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6180344

    EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (AP) - Minnesota cornerback Fred Smoot was added to the injury report with a groin problem presumably suffered in Thursday's practice.

    what i find weird is that it says it happened thursday, and that childress doesnt address the media on thursdays. then theres a quote that says "In a word, he is hurting," Childress said Wednesday. wednesday was yesterday. smoot wasnt even hurt yet!
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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    how cute.

    I didn't know childress likes to play these games too. Smoot is not hurt at all. HE JUST GOT BENCHED.
    wait and see. If griffin doesn't play well, smoot will come in and replace him. Good luck being the nickle corner freddy...
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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    Turn down the noise immediately.

    Asking people if they are f-in blind and the like is not a good way to go about things.
    Both you guys chill out and move on.

    Hell, I'd feel silly being the guys that got so silly I got a thread locked so others couldn't talk about the normal topics being discussed.
    ???

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