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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    Let's get it straight. It was Dwight Smith who got burned on the Driver TD. GB played two recievers to the left, and we were in the zone. Driver was running a delayed skinny post from the slot. I'm not sure who the outside receiver was, but when he broke his route off, all three defenders, the LB, Smith, and Griffin, broke with him. Griffin was in the right, because the outside man was in his zone. The LB, and more importantly Smith, were in the wrong. The safety had no business trying to jump the outside route on that play. Smith made a huge coverage blunder and Favre capitalized on it.
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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    Glad to see this is a topic.

    Absolutly, theres no doubt. Griffin played better then Smoot has played the whole time he's been here. And its his first start in the NFL. This guy has talent. He's playing good ball, we may have got shread by favre but not on his side, he did his job sunday... might i add without QB pressure.

    He's a harder hitter than smoot, he knows when to wrap up and he invites the hitting, he was considered the toughest CB in college. The great coverage hes displayed is kinda like a bonus, i didn't expect it to happen espacially with a slow start. He didn't play that well in preseason but he's really played well during the regular season.

    I'm not sure but i think they played somewhat of a zone cover two in Texas. He probably feels pretty comfortable in the system. Smoot may be more a man to man corner.

    All in all Grifith is playing good, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    apparently just saying no is to short of a message, so NO

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

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    It wasn't Griffin who got beat on the Driver TD before the half it was the saftey and the LB. It was a zone.

    The defense is open to attack from the air. It is either a design flaw or it is requiring people to do things they do not have the ability to do.

    I don't think it will matter who you have in there.
    Weird ... I was thinking the same thing when I saw this topic. I was thinking "does it really matter?"
    I think there is a fundamental flaw somewhere in our Cover 2 scheme. While the scheme is supposed to be a little vulnerable to patient passing and is based on solid tackles stopping the run ... we are having a lot of trouble against passers at all.
    Cover 2 is supposed to get beat occasionally, but it is disguised-zone based to help cause turnovers (see Bucs 2002) and we seems to not be disguising our zones AT ALL.
    I like what Griffin showed and think that Smoot proves better in man-to-man situations with safety help (get in their face, maybe in their head). I would go with the kid, but do not know if it will make a difference.

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    "midgensa" wrote:
    "Del" wrote:
    It wasn't Griffin who got beat on the Driver TD before the half it was the saftey and the LB. It was a zone.

    The defense is open to attack from the air. It is either a design flaw or it is requiring people to do things they do not have the ability to do.

    I don't think it will matter who you have in there.
    Weird ... I was thinking the same thing when I saw this topic. I was thinking "does it really matter?"
    I think there is a fundamental flaw somewhere in our Cover 2 scheme. While the scheme is supposed to be a little vulnerable to patient passing and is based on solid tackles stopping the run ... we are having a lot of trouble against passers at all.
    Cover 2 is supposed to get beat occasionally, but it is disguised-zone based to help cause turnovers (see Bucs 2002) and we seems to not be disguising our zones AT ALL.
    I like what Griffin showed and think that Smoot proves better in man-to-man situations with safety help (get in their face, maybe in their head). I would go with the kid, but do not know if it will make a difference.
    I think part of the problems we are seeing is we have 7 LB's out there. AW is not a good cover corner, he is an excellent tackler and he has a nose for the ball but his coverage skills are not the best. You have Dwight Smith and he can lay a hit but he cannot cover to save his ass. Sharper is a risk taker and the majority of his ints come off jumping routes so I guess you could say he is a solid ZONE cover guy, Smoot......well since he has gained weight he seems to have lost a step IMO. Then you have LB's who can't cover for anything. Even Napo.

    I've been saying since week one this zone is bunk. IMO that is on Tomlin to go to something that suits his defenders.

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    You don't pay a DB that kind of money to sit him on the bench unless he is doing something seriously wrong.

    Smoot has made mistakes this year, mostly in tackling as have all our DB's, but not enough to warrant a benching. Name me one DB or LB who hasn't? He is playing his zone coverage just like Tomlin is calling for.

    Like Del says, the zone defense isn't doing it's job, especially on third downs. Neither is the soft cushion & the bend don't break mentality. When it's third & 9 & you let the offense get the first down, but not the TD, IMO it's not acceptable & we've been doing it most of the year.

    We still have fans blaming Smoot for things Whitaker did because Whitaker is wearing his old number. I was really surprised no threads were started on Sunday when Whitaker blew a couple of plays.

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

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    You don't pay a DB that kind of money to sit him on the bench unless he is doing something seriously wrong.

    Smoot has made mistakes this year, mostly in tackling as have all our DB's, but not enough to warrant a benching. Name me one DB or LB who hasn't? He is playing his zone coverage just like Tomlin is calling for.

    Like Del says, the zone defense isn't doing it's job, especially on third downs. Neither is the soft cushion & the bend don't break mentality. When it's third & 9 & you let the offense get the first down, but not the TD, IMO it's not acceptable & we've been doing it most of the year.

    We still have fans blaming Smoot for things Whitaker did because Whitaker is wearing his old number. I was really surprised no threads were started on Sunday when Whitaker blew a couple of plays.
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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

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    Let's get it straight. It was Dwight Smith who got burned on the Driver TD. GB played two recievers to the left, and we were in the zone. Driver was running a delayed skinny post from the slot. I'm not sure who the outside receiver was, but when he broke his route off, all three defenders, the LB, Smith, and Griffin, broke with him. Griffin was in the right, because the outside man was in his zone. The LB, and more importantly Smith, were in the wrong. The safety had no business trying to jump the outside route on that play. Smith made a huge coverage blunder and Favre capitalized on it.
    He did it because he is concentrating to much on the big play.
    THE BIG PLAY for the defense would be to hold the opponent to minimal points!
    If we do that, we are in any game!!

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    We could have 2 Champ Baileys and it wouldnt matter. Cover 2 is based on the front 4 having some kind of pressure. They havent been able to get any pressure at all. Also, we havent been blitzing as well as in previous games.

    It is nice to know Griffin looks pretty sharp back there. With our luck hes the next one to get injured.

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    Re: Should Griffin start ahead of Smoot next week?

    You guys are F*CKING blind. If your still sticking up for smoot your seriously lost. I've seen every game since he's been here and his quiet games are considered his good games by our fans. I don't have a hate thing with smoot i was really pumped when we got him but he hasn't produced. He looks bad in his back pedel then when he comes out of it to make a play on a ball he's far to late, no quickness. No instincts, he's not playing up to level (consintly fears being beat deep). That leads to the bench, sorry his brother died but thats all it took for grifith to get his shot, and he ran with it. If childress puts smoot back in..... he's not a very good coach.


    Everyone used to rag on how bad Brian Williams was, i was always one of his biggest fans. I wish we still had him in a sense. I like grifith though i think he will become a better all around corner.


    DEL RIO: How can you say AW isn't a good cover corner? I know he's a great tackler and i think that it overshadows his coverage skills but the man is a beast. He rarley blows coverage he's always right on top of things. His shortest hurts him, if he was to be as tall as Bailey i think he would be considered with the tops in the NFL. I can think of countless times he was an inch or two from batting balls away but the WR out jumped him or used his height advantage.

    I think winfields coverage skills are far above average for an NFL corner, and definitly considered AT LEAST good. I can't think of more than 5 corners i would take over Winfield.


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