Thread: Shiancoe delivers for Vikings

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.

I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.

I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.

I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.

As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.

I think the Vikings could get the TE involved over the middle and in the seams therein if they had a friggen QB. Everything keeps coming back to that glaring hole in the Vikes offense.

"singersp" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.

I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.

I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.

I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.

As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.

I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

[quote author=singersp link=topic=39938.msg678265#msg678265 date=1195828504]

The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.

I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.

I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.

I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.

As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.

I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.
[/quote]

Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"

"V" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

[quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=39938.msg678642#msg678642 date=1195917786]
[quote author=singersp link=topic=39938.msg678265#msg678265 date=1195828504]

The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.

I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.

I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.

I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.

As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.

I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.
[/quote]

Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"
[/quote]But as much as we liked to see Wiggins hurdle some defenders, and catch a lot of short dump offs, he couldn't get a job even with the Jags.

One thing I also see when I watch our Vikings on sundays is, that fx. T. Richardson are catching those passes that would go to Wiggins in the old scheme.

"V" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

[quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=39938.msg678642#msg678642 date=1195917786]
[quote author=singersp link=topic=39938.msg678265#msg678265 date=1195828504]

The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.

I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.

I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.

I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.

As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.

I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.
[/quote]

Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"
[/quote]

Shank is an upgrade over Wiggins... not even close.. they just don't throw him the ball enough... but he has more speed, is a better blocker, more athletic and can catch just as good... if that's not an upgrade... not sure what is...

"bleedpurple" wrote:

"V" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

[quote author=singersp link=topic=39938.msg678835#msg678835 date=1195965666]
[quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=39938.msg678642#msg678642 date=1195917786]
[quote author=singersp link=topic=39938.msg678265#msg678265 date=1195828504]

The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.

I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.

I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.

I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.

As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.

I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.
[/quote]

Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"
[/quote]

Shank is an upgrade over Wiggins... not even close.. they just don't throw him the ball enough... but he has more speed, is a better blocker, more athletic and can catch just as good... if that's not an upgrade... not sure what is...
[/quote]

well yeah shank is an upgrade... but we did give the dough so i still expect more from him, even tho over the last view games he has played a lot better

"cogitans" wrote:

"V" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

[quote author=singersp link=topic=39938.msg678835#msg678835 date=1195965666]
[quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=39938.msg678642#msg678642 date=1195917786]
[quote author=singersp link=topic=39938.msg678265#msg678265 date=1195828504]

The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.

I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.

I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.

I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.

As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.

I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.
[/quote]

Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"
[/quote]But as much as we liked to see Wiggins hurdle some defenders, and catch a lot of short dump offs, he couldn't get a job even with the Jags.

One thing I also see when I watch our Vikings on sundays is, that fx. T. Richardson are catching those passes that would go to Wiggins in the old scheme.
[/quote]
A very nice point my friend, which also should include that he couldn't stick with the team even with Tice on the staff.

Face it my friends, players, no matter how much we like them get old, slow and don't fit the mold anymore.
Time for them to move on.


In this case, it was time to move on to retirement.

I for one believe that as our OL starts to get a clue on how to provide our QB consistent pass protection (they aren't there quiet yet but getting close) our TE's, RB's and FB's will become a more prevalent feature in the offense, especially in the passing game.

Lest we forget, a brief description of the TE's role in the WCO.

http://football.calsci.com/Positions3.html

"Marrdro" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

"V" wrote:

"cogitans" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

[quote author=cogitans link=topic=39938.msg678888#msg678888 date=1195981404]
[quote author=singersp link=topic=39938.msg678835#msg678835 date=1195965666]
[quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=39938.msg678642#msg678642 date=1195917786]
[quote author=singersp link=topic=39938.msg678265#msg678265 date=1195828504]

The Giants were shocked when the Vikings in free agency signed Shiancoe to a five-year, $18.5 million contract that includes $7 million in guaranteed money.

I still think that contract was way to high for V-Shi at the time. I hope he earns it.

I think so too. Until the opening play last week he has been pretty quiet this year considering that the Tight end is someone you would think would be more vital on third downs in this offense.

I don't know why Childress hasn't gotten the TE's more involved in the WCO these past two seasons. It boggles the mind.

I thought the main reason they let Wiggens go to get a more speedy TE was to get him involved more.

I feel the same way. I think everyone thought we would see a lot of passes to the TEs down the seam.

If I'm searching real hard for an answer, and I might be reaching, the only thing I can come up with is QB play. Maybe they are not comfortable enough to throw it down the middle of the field.

As we saw in 2005 with Wiggins, you don't have to throw the ball deep to a TE. Wiggins had several short-medium passes that he caught. He just didn't have the legs/speed to get a lot of YAC (*). That's where I figured V-Shi would fit the bill
better.



(*) For a big guy he sure could jump over defenders.

I know.

And as I said, I'm just as baffled as you, to find out why we are not getting the ball into his hands more.
[/quote]

Shiancoe, like the rest of our receivers, isn;t good enough to be a reliable and consistent guy for our QBs. He has not stretched the field, at all. HE is a stellar blocker, which Wiggins was not. Up to this point, I just don't see the "upgrade"
[/quote]But as much as we liked to see Wiggins hurdle some defenders, and catch a lot of short dump offs, he couldn't get a job even with the Jags.

One thing I also see when I watch our Vikings on sundays is, that fx. T. Richardson are catching those passes that would go to Wiggins in the old scheme.
[/quote]
A very nice point my friend, which also should include that he couldn't stick with the team even with Tice on the staff.

Face it my friends, players, no matter how much we like them get old, slow and don't fit the mold anymore.
Time for them to move on.


In this case, it was time to move on to retirement.

I for one believe that as our OL starts to get a clue on how to provide our QB consistent pass protection (they aren't there quiet yet but getting close) our TE's, RB's and FB's will become a more prevalent feature in the offense, especially in the passing game.

Lest we forget, a brief description of the TE's role in the WCO.

http://football.calsci.com/Positions3.html
[/quote]

How about in a 2 tight end offense like we are headed to?
;D ;D ;D

doesnt matter how fast a TE shiancoe is if we never throw to him..

we gotta get the ball to him.

richardson shouldnt be taking those catches. one bad catch, and they'll have to put him back on his wheelchair to get him out of the game, if he's ever in it: Tony Rinjurdson.

Get the ball to shiancoe! we're paying him, may as well make him earn it