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    Re:Sage vs. Webb vs. Tjack

    Get rid of Sage.

    He's been in the League long enough, if he was any good, he wouldn't be involved in this discussion. I like what I've seen of Webb, so put him in the #3 spot and let him get as much out of Favre as he can. Next year, he's the #2 behind T-Jack, giving some decent competition in Camp, and we bring in a no-name filler for depth.

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    Re:Sage vs. Webb vs. Tjack

    Marrdro wrote:
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    IMHO the order should be TJack, Sage, and then Webb. However, since we arent' going to keep 4 QBs, the question becomes who is the odd man out.

    TJack makes a strong #2. I still don't think he is starter material, but I think he is one of the best backups in the league. I think Sage holds the most trade value for us. If we can I say we trade him and recoup some of what we paid for him. If not, keep him as the #3 and push Webb to the practice squad. If he gets picked up, no huge loss. He is an intriguing prospect, but nothing I would lose sleep over.
    So if you don't think TJ is starter material, who do you start if Favre misses 4 weeks with injury? Sage or TJ?

    -V-

    I'm guessing he would say Jackson looking at his post

    Not many back ups are starter material.. That is why they are well, backups?
    True, but they weren't going to be backups until Favre got here. They were competing for a starting job, therefore one of them should've been starting material.
    I don't think there was any competition at all this year. The competition was last year and TJ won out.
    His reward a big raise (not the 3 mil bonus the other guys getting or 3 mil the other, other guys getting a year) and long term contract...... as long as the term isn't over 300 days


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    Re:Sage vs. Webb vs. Tjack

    12purplepride28 wrote:
    What do you all think about our QB situation behind Favre?
    I think I started this same exact thread a week ago.

    http://www.purplepride.org/index.php/community/discussion/2-vikings-fan-forum/1062054-tjack-or-sage-who-to-trade

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    Re:Sage vs. Webb vs. Tjack

    12purplepride28 wrote:
    V4L wrote:
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    NodakPaul wrote:
    IMHO the order should be TJack, Sage, and then Webb. However, since we arent' going to keep 4 QBs, the question becomes who is the odd man out.

    TJack makes a strong #2. I still don't think he is starter material, but I think he is one of the best backups in the league. I think Sage holds the most trade value for us. If we can I say we trade him and recoup some of what we paid for him. If not, keep him as the #3 and push Webb to the practice squad. If he gets picked up, no huge loss. He is an intriguing prospect, but nothing I would lose sleep over.
    So if you don't think TJ is starter material, who do you start if Favre misses 4 weeks with injury? Sage or TJ?

    -V-

    I'm guessing he would say Jackson looking at his post

    Not many back ups are starter material.. That is why they are well, backups?
    True, but they weren't going to be backups until Favre got here. They were competing for a starting job, therefore one of them should've been starting material.
    V4L hit it on the head. But to answer that last question - yes, one of them SHOULD'VE been starting material... Unfortunately neither one of them were.
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    Re:Sage vs. Webb vs. Tjack

    midgensa wrote:
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    I personally think at this point Sage should be the odd man out.

    Going into camp and preseason I felt like Webb had no shot. But there is just something about him ... and I would not risk trying to get him through to the practice squad (though I still think he would make it).

    I was a Sage guy when we traded for him. I think he was ABSOLUTELY brought in to start over T-Jack. I think he looked good last season right before Favre got to town ... and I think that the whole Favre thing has taken the wind out of Rosenfels.

    Sage had to feel like this was his chance to be a starter in a very good situation ... and then he had the rug torn out from under him. I think he again came out firing in preseason this year "just in case" ... but again ... he now knows that he has NO shot at starting ...

    I personally don't think Sage has any interest in being the No. 3 guy for another season, and I don't blame him.

    It would be the right thing for us to do to cut him loose, sooner rather than later, so he can find somewhere else where he can at least be the No. 2 and hope to get one more chance to show the football world what he can do.
    Excellent post Midg.......Quick question, how long does it take for Joe to become a NFL quality starter IYO?

    I really like the kid, but believe he is about 4 years away.
    I think he is probably at least this season and next season away ... but by then I feel like you should have a really good feel of whether or not he has made the adjustments needed on the passing/reading defenses side of things.

    If he has ... and T-Jack has turned into anything, then T-Jack is the starter in 2011, 2012 and 2013 (of course, unless we bring McNabb in) and by 2014 (4 full seasons as the No. 3 and No. 2) Webb is ready to make his move hopefully.

    Of course ... he is a sixth-round flier and might turn into nothing ... but as I stated ... there is just something about him that I like when I see him on the football field.
    A little early to jump on his bandwaggon, but I agree he has some amazing potential.
    Hope this system doesn't render that potential impotent.
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    Re:Sage vs. Webb vs. Tjack

    It would be nice to test Jackson out in the ole passing game. 1 of 3 for 4 yards against the Seahawks, in 3 preseason games 10 of 18 for 58 yards, no TDs, no picks, rating 62, 3.2 yards per attemp, 55.6%.

    Too bad Booty wasn't still on the roster to make those numbers look better cause Webb isn't helping out with 12 of 21 91 yards 2 TD's rating of a 100 and a rushing TD. It might take 4 years to make Webb a starting QB in the west coast offense but its taken a 3 quarters of a preseason to make him look more promising behind center.

    Sage has had 47 attempts and made the most of his preseason but I'm really hoping to see Jackson get about 20 attempts in the next game, good or bad but just give him a chance to run the offense with more than a hand off.

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    Re:Sage vs. Webb vs. Tjack

    Sage and Tjoke are pretty much equally worthless. Which ever one we can make the most of a trade for should go.

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    Re:Sage vs. Webb vs. Tjack

    Sage IMO is ahead of TJ for this preseason.

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    Re:Sage vs. Webb vs. Tjack

    Here Are The Top 10 Preseason QB Performances:

    Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate

    1 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 41 53 77.4 17.7 470 8.9 156.7 6 0 29 54.7 56 4 1 0 141.2
    2 Tom Brady NE QB 33 42 78.6 14.0 425 10.1 141.7 4 0 19 45.2 65T 8 1 2 140.6
    3 Luke McCown JAC QB 25 38 65.8 19.0 396 10.4 198.0 4 1 14 36.8 73T 6 2 1 124.5
    4 Kyle Orton DEN QB 24 35 68.6 17.5 261 7.5 130.5 4 1 14 40.0 31 2 0 1 116.5
    5 Sage Rosenfels MIN QB 25 41 61.0 20.5 321 7.8 160.5 3 0 12 29.3 71T 2 2 2 109.9
    6 Matthew Stafford DET QB 21 29 72.4 14.5 191 6.6 95.5 2 1 12 41.4 23 2 0 1 98.5
    7 Drew Brees NO QB 32 50 64.0 16.7 331 6.6 110.3 2 0 17 34.0 46T 4 1 2 96.3
    8 Kyle Boller OAK QB 19 30 63.3 15.0 203 6.8 101.5 1 0 9 30.0 33 2 0 1 94.2
    9 Joe Flacco BAL QB 17 28 60.7 14.0 192 6.9 96.0 1 0 9 32.1 30T 3 0 2 93.2
    10 Philip Rivers SD QB 31 48 64.6 16.0 354 7.4 118.0 2 1 19 39.6 29 5 0 1 91.8



    Tarvaris Jackson=
    WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

    1 08/14 @ STL W 28-7 1 1 2 4 50.0 11 2.8 0 0 0 0 56.2 -- -- -- -- -- --
    2 08/22 @ SF L 10-15 1 0 7 11 63.6 43 3.9 0 0 1 9 71.4 2 18 9.0 0 -- --
    3 08/28 SEA W 24-13 1 0 1 3 33.3 4 1.3 0 0 1 11 42.4 1 5 5.0 0 -- --
    TOTAL 3 1 10 18 55.6 58 3.2 0 0 2 20 61.8 3 23 7.7 0 0 0


    I know. Preseason doesn't mean anything. Also, Childress hasn't opened up the playbook for Jackson. We need to see him play more to make an informed decision.

    My point is: anybody who says Rosenfels hasn't been able to beat out Jackson for the #2 spot hasn't been watching.
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    Re:Sage vs. Webb vs. Tjack

    If you can't perform when it counts, then move them. Webb I think is the QB of the future. Sage has done more than TJack this preseason. Granted its preseason, but Sage knows the system now. TJack hasn't done much in game situations this yr. Keep Sage for another yr, let Webb learn for two and trade TJack for what we can get.

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