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    Trading AD would have been insane. IBP summed up most of my sentiments earlier in the thread. It looks to me like you have a surprisingly good QB now- "home-grown"- no less, and my honest opinion is that without AD keeping defenses honest, you'd wind up getting Ponder killed back there.

    I don't trust your o-line. This is not Puker fan smack, I'm trying to be honest. I have repeatedly acknowledged how much I hate AD, for example...

    That is a major compliment to him.

    You need trench players, but they don't just magically appear. AD (and the "threat" of AD) is a "fill-in" until you have them, including the defensive side.

    How does AD help a defensive line, one might ask...

    He helps to keep them off the field in the first friggin' place, an under-appreciated aspect of a great running game.

    Again, this is my "non-smack" two-cents, fwiw.

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    I suppose the same thing was said regarding Aikman when they traded Walker. It seems they recovered nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    I suppose the same thing was said regarding Aikman when they traded Walker. It seems they recovered nicely.
    The point was also made there's no way we get the proper value for AP at this point.

    RB's are cheap, you can plug anyone into the lineup and have some success. AP is obviously a gamechanger, but it's hard to justify multiple first-rounders for a guy not guaranteed to play at a high level longer than 2 seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    The point was also made there's no way we get the proper value for AP at this point.

    RB's are cheap, you can plug anyone into the lineup and have some success. AP is obviously a gamechanger, but it's hard to justify multiple first-rounders for a guy not guaranteed to play at a high level longer than 2 seasons.
    Especially considering the NFL is now a passing league.

    AD is going to be worth the most to a team that tries to win games by pounding the ball instead of passing. Out of 32 teams, besides us, how many teams are trying to do that? Anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Especially considering the NFL is now a passing league.

    AD is going to be worth the most to a team that tries to win games by pounding the ball instead of passing. Out of 32 teams, besides us, how many teams are trying to do that? Anyone?
    49ers. Not doing badly either. Jags too, but they are a shitty team with a rookie QB like us. The 49ers are the only team in the league to do it with any success this year.
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    Sorry Rick! Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Especially considering the NFL is now a passing league.

    AD is going to be worth the most to a team that tries to win games by pounding the ball instead of passing. Out of 32 teams, besides us, how many teams are trying to do that? Anyone?
    Actually ... there are SIX teams in the league that run the ball more times per game than the Vikings. The Texans, 49ers, Eagles, Jaguars, Chiefs and Raiders. And the Broncos, Chargers, Falcons and Bengals all are within ONE carry of the Vikings. So, yes, there are plenty of teams trying to pound the ball.

    The majority of those teams are also near the bottom of the league in pass attempts (Texans, Chiefs, Raiders, 49ers, Jaguars) ... so definitely teams that are "trying to pound the ball."

    While the league has definitely evolved to more passing, there are definitely plenty of running teams left out there. The 49ers, Jaguars, Vikings, Chiefs and Texans all in fact run the ball more than they pass.

    He would definitely be a commodity to a lot of teams that would LIKE to run the ball more also (i.e. Jets, Dolphins, Bucs, etc. A lot of teams pass because it is their best option, their offense would change DRASTICALLY with the addition of a talent like Adrian Peterson.

    As for AD only having "2 more good years left" as some have posted here ... there is NO reason to think he won't be as effective as he is now until he is 30 as that is the typical RB wall. That would be FOUR more years after this one.

    He would command quite a bit in the trade market, but I still think it would be a HUGE mistake to move the face of the franchise right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Actually ... there are SIX teams in the league that run the ball more times per game than the Vikings. The Texans, 49ers, Eagles, Jaguars, Chiefs and Raiders. And the Broncos, Chargers, Falcons and Bengals all are within ONE carry of the Vikings. So, yes, there are plenty of teams trying to pound the ball.

    The majority of those teams are also near the bottom of the league in pass attempts (Texans, Chiefs, Raiders, 49ers, Jaguars) ... so definitely teams that are "trying to pound the ball."

    While the league has definitely evolved to more passing, there are definitely plenty of running teams left out there. The 49ers, Jaguars, Vikings, Chiefs and Texans all in fact run the ball more than they pass.

    He would definitely be a commodity to a lot of teams that would LIKE to run the ball more also (i.e. Jets, Dolphins, Bucs, etc. A lot of teams pass because it is their best option, their offense would change DRASTICALLY with the addition of a talent like Adrian Peterson.

    As for AD only having "2 more good years left" as some have posted here ... there is NO reason to think he won't be as effective as he is now until he is 30 as that is the typical RB wall. That would be FOUR more years after this one.

    He would command quite a bit in the trade market, but I still think it would be a HUGE mistake to move the face of the franchise right now.
    Thanx for the feedback. Of those teams, Eagles have McCoy, 49ers have Gore, Jaguars have Maurice Jones-Drew, Falcons have Turner, Houston has Foster & Tate, Raiders have McFadden & Denver has McGahee. They are all in the top 11 RB's in the league, so I don't think they'd mortgage the farm to get AD & would keep what they have.

    That would rule out 7 of those 10 teams & leave 6 of the teams you mentioned. Chiefs, Chargers, Bengals, Jets, Dolphins & Bucs.

    IMO, unless one of those teams were on the cusp of contention for a SB run & needed that one extra piece to put them there, they wouldn't pay the price for a few more good years out of AD. That would mean the Bengals, Chargers & Jets would be the best possibilities.

    Then it becomes a question of how much are they willing to give for AD for whats left of his career & how much would we ask.

    No one can say for sure how much longer AD's career as a top performer will last, but as hard as he runs and as much physical contact as he sees, he may not hit that typical RB wall of 30.

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    I marvel at all the stuff that gets spewed on here......"Its a passing league"......LOL.

    Its a league that rewards teams that are balanced, not teams that rely on running solely or passing solely.

    Something to watch, for those of you who follow stuff like I do, see how many teams lost and still passed for over 300 yards and see how many teams won and threw for less than 300 yards but had a running game that got them around 100 yards.

    Again, its all about balance. As the rest of the season unfolds and the weather starts to turn her ugly head, this will even become more evident, for those that care to look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    I marvel at all the stuff that gets spewed on here......"Its a passing league"......LOL.

    Its a league that rewards teams that are balanced, not teams that rely on running solely or passing solely.
    Yes, you're right. The Saints and Packers both didn't just recently win a superbowl by having a top-flight passing game but not much of a run game.

    Spewed indeed

    Something to watch, for those of you who follow stuff like I do, see how many teams lost and still passed for over 300 yards and see how many teams won and threw for less than 300 yards but had a running game that got them around 100 yards.
    And how many teams pass for over 300 yards and still win? Quite a few.
    Again, its all about balance. As the rest of the season unfolds and the weather starts to turn her ugly head, this will even become more evident, for those that care to look.
    I'd agree, balance is incredibly important. However, you can also get away with having a 4000 yard passer and be a dominant team. Much harder to have a 1500 yard rusher, but no pass game and still dominate the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    I marvel at all the stuff that gets spewed on here......"Its a passing league"......LOL.

    Its a league that rewards teams that are balanced, not teams that rely on running solely or passing solely.

    Something to watch, for those of you who follow stuff like I do, see how many teams lost and still passed for over 300 yards and see how many teams won and threw for less than 300 yards but had a running game that got them around 100 yards.

    Again, its all about balance. As the rest of the season unfolds and the weather starts to turn her ugly head, this will even become more evident, for those that care to look.
    Ummmm...Green Bay has a crap Defense, and a crap running game.....yet they won a Superbowl and are currently undefeated.

    They are not in any way, shape, or form "balanced".

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