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    Re: Sacks given up by position

    This is kind of funny.
    Although I would like to see how they decided which position gave up a sack, and also see how each person ranked among the same position on other teams.


    Pressure, especially in a blitz, normally comes in the A and B gaps, so I can see why the guards had more listed.
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    Re: Sacks given up by position

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    This is kind of funny.
    Although I would like to see how they decided which position gave up a sack, and also see how each person ranked among the same position on other teams.


    Pressure, especially in a blitz, normally comes in the A and B gaps, so I can see why the guards had more listed.
    Simple really.

    If anyone gave up a sack it was Birks fault. How much clearer could that be? ;D

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    Re: Sacks given up by position

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    "singersp" wrote:
    [size=10pt]Hey Marrdro![/size] Are you reading this!

    [size=13pt]12.
    Matt Birk only 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
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    Let me spell it out for you & your cohorts who ride the Birk sux train.

    Birk has given up the least amount of sacks of any linemen on the team by at least a factor of almost 3

    Birk: .125 per game

    McK: .333 per game

    Cook: .429 per game

    Hutch: .438 per game

    Herr: .469 per game
    I agree with you about keeping Birk but consider the fact that the dude plays Center. As far as I'm concerned, it's a lot easier to give up a sack to a speed edge rushing DE than to some fat jelly at DT.
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    I was thinking the same thing.
    I'm pretty sure that if you did a league-wide analysis the C consistently gives up less sacks than the tackles and probably the guards too.
    Only makes intuitive sense.
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    Re: Sacks given up by position

    "singersp" wrote:
    [size=10pt]Hey Marrdro![/size] Are you reading this!

    [size=13pt]12.
    Matt Birk only 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
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    Let me spell it out for you & your cohorts who ride the Birk sux train.

    Birk has given up the least amount of sacks of any linemen on the team by at least a factor of almost 3

    Birk: .125 per game

    McK: .333 per game

    Cook: .429 per game

    Hutch: .438 per game

    Herr: .469 per game
    This may come as a surprise but I am going to come to Marrdro defense here. What do these stats really mean? Do they account for LBs coming in or Ss coming in? I know that might be someone elses job but it could also be Birks job to help. Regardless Birk did a great job and I hope he comes back. My problem with Cook is the penalties. Also just because they guy never had sacks given up, does not mean that he did not allow pressure on the QB.

    Thanks for the link BTW. Always wanted to see this.

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    Re: Sacks given up by position

    Marr comments yet?

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    Re: Sacks given up by position

    "singersp" wrote:
    [size=10pt]Hey Marrdro![/size] Are you reading this!

    [size=13pt]12.
    Matt Birk only 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
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    Let me spell it out for you & your cohorts who ride the Birk sux train.

    Birk has given up the least amount of sacks of any linemen on the team by at least a factor of almost 3

    Birk: .125 per game

    McK: .333 per game

    Cook: .429 per game

    Hutch: .438 per game

    Herr: .469 per game
    Birk better give up the least sacks.

    I bet if you do this for every team in the NFL the vast majority will have the fewest sacks allowed by the center, maybe all 32. How many 0 technique DTs did we play against this year? How many of those guys are known for their pass rush ability?

    I think McKinnie, as a left tackle, giving up the second most on the team is the most impressive part of this list.

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    Re: Sacks given up by position

    If I had to rate our OL 1 being lowest 100 being highest it would be...

    89 - Mac
    93 - Hutch
    85 - Birk
    83 - Herrea
    75 - Cook

    I think there are few Olines in the league as talented as ours. Th eproblem is, we don't get to see them and inspect them like we do do our own. Go to any fan site and ask out the oline. They will have

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    Re: Sacks given up by position

    And it doesn't help that we have poor to mediocre QB play. If we had a guy who could sit in the pocket, make his reads fast, and get rid of that damn ball quickly we'd give up far fewer sacks.

    Also, wide receiver play. If we had guys that could create separation we'd be in better shape.

    If we had a coach that could call intuitive route combinations and create an open man, that would help.

    I think our offensive line is the most talented group we have on offense, next to running backs of course.


    Cook didn't give up the most sacks, but you better believe he is the cause of the most pressure.


    And how were these statistics recorded? Do they measure by the gap which the pressure comes from? Whether or not a player engaged, or attempted to engage the defender? I feel like there's no real way to accurately measure sacks allowed unless you know exactly what each offensive lineman's responsibility. And I guarantee whoever put these stats together does not.

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    Re: Sacks given up by position

    "Tad7" wrote:
    Sorry if this or something similar has already been posted..I tried the search

    14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    29. Steve Hutchinson (Vikings) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    12. Matt Birk (Vikings) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    30. Anthony Herrera (Vikings) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    18. Ryan Cook (Vikings) 6.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
    http://www.wp-wordpress.com/sacks-given-up-by-position
    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/13295204
    Great stuff my friend.
    You found anything on Penalties by player?
    Been searching but can't seem to find anything.....

    Pretty high number from the inside my friends........19......

    Wonder how many sacks Big Mac and Cook would have given up if the QB could have stepped up into a clean pocket?
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    Re: Sacks given up by position

    "singersp" wrote:
    [size=10pt]Hey Marrdro![/size] Are you reading this!

    [size=13pt]12.
    Matt Birk only 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    [/size]

    Let me spell it out for you & your cohorts who ride the Birk sux train.

    Birk has given up the least amount of sacks of any linemen on the team by at least a factor of almost 3

    Birk: .125 per game

    McK: .333 per game

    Cook: .429 per game

    Hutch: .438 per game

    Herr: .469 per game
    You need to back your train up and take a look at it for what it really is.......A huge number of sacks up the middle.
    When one looks at how things line up.............





    RDE



    DT



    DT

    LDE




    LT




    LG
    C
    RG

    RDE

    ............and how sacks are attributed (player that makes the sack), it is no wonder that our C, as with all the C on the list have a low number.

    1. Olin Kreutz (Bears) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    1. Todd McClure (Falcons) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    1. Chris Myers (Texans) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    1. Kevin Mawae (Titans) 0 sacks allowed (15 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    1. Ryan Kalil (Panthers) 0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    6. Brad Meester (Jags) 0.25 sacks allowed (10 starts)
    7. Lyle Sendlein (Cardinals) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    8. Duke Preston (Bills) 0.75 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    9. Casey Wiegmann (Broncos) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    9. Jeff Faine (Bucs) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    9. Jonathan Goodwin (Saints) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
    12. Nick Mangold (Jets) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    12. Andre Gurode (Cowboys) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    12. Shaun O?Hara (Giants) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    12. Matt Birk (Vikings) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    12. Jeff Saturday (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    12. Dominic Raiola (Lions) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    12. Nick Leckey (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)
    19. Jason Brown (Ravens) 2.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    19. Jamaal Jackson (Eagles) 2.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    21. Hank Fraley (Browns) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    21. Nick Hardwick (Chargers) 2.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
    21. Jake Grove (Raiders) 2.5 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    21. Chris Spencer (Seahawks) 2.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    25. Rudy Niswanger (Chiefs) 3.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    25. Scott Wells (Packers) 3.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
    27. Eric Heitmann (49ers) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    27. Eric Ghaiciuc (Bengals) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    29. Samson Satele (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    29. Dan Koppen (Pats) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    31. Casey Rabach (Redskins) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    32. Justin Harwig (Steelers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)

    Can't believe anyone would try to use this as a means to prove our C doesn't have issues......
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