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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

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    The sky is falling!!

    Seriously... our line SUCKED, not just Cook.


    Now, all of you who want him cut... who replaces him?

    ........Exactly
    Move Hicks over... That was easy.

    I don't even want Cook out of there, but if you're gonna lob one up like that...
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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    Couple of things.....

    a.
    Baumy, do you still believe that the HC drafts the players?
    Comeon my friend.
    You know better. The draft is run by our VP of Player personnel and is based on players that appear to be the best fit (as scouted by the scouts under Studwell) for the scheme the coaches want to execute.

    b.
    I can't believe I am saying this, maybe Hicks would be ok over there, however, I am not so sure I would make the switch after one bad game this year.

    c.
    Cook, as with alot of the players on this team, are very inconsistent.
    It isn't because they aren't talented, rather, they are still a bit on the green side.
    As they get more and more reps they will get better an better.

    Problem with Cook is that he is in a bad position (yes position) in that he plays RT, arguably one of the most visible position (as are all of the OL positions) for casual yutz fans to see, well at least the bad plays.

    Good play is usually un-noticed as with Cooks play when he plays well.

    There was a couple of very nice posts on here during the offseason about Cooks actual performance and his percieved performance.
    Again, he had some bad stuff in there but he had some good as well.

    Long story short, cut the kid some slack.
    And week after week we play against teams that put in rookies or players with no starting experience and they do fine against our vaunted defensive line.
    Cook has had plenty of time to learn his role and do it effectively. His problem is not experience, it is that he is too fricken slow to block a speed rush. How many times do we need to go over this point? How in the hell do you think time is going to make his feet move faster or his reaction time improve? he is too slow for the position and that is not going to change. Like I said, make him a guard and he may be very good, but at Tackle he is the wrong fit.
    Like our team doesn't have rookies or youngster performing my friend.
    I've been subjected to nothing but a steady stream of that crap for almost 3 years, however, at some point even the biggest of Chiller haters would have to say that there has been some successes in that regard with STJ (Saftey TJ) being the most recent addition to that crowd.

    Back to Cook, yes he struggles with speed rushers, so does Big Mac and every other damn T in the league.
    Not a good arguement.


    Take another tact like why wasn't he helped by the TE or something like that if you want to ping on the coaches, don't ping on Cook for playing like every other RT.


    By the way, lest we forget, it appears to me that he did a good enough job a couple of times (Sauce's catch) were the TE could actually get out in space and make a catch.

    Again, he had a bad game, I won't dispute that, however, he doesn't have a bad game every game.
    Even the lamest of yutz fans could/should be able to admit that.
    I guess it all comes down to expectations for the team. If you are content hovering around the .500 mark year after year then you will be happy with the play we get from the OL. If you want to go to the playoffs and go deep then you will be disappointed in what you are getting from him. Does he have good plays? Of course he does. I think he could be a solid starter in the NFL, but not at Tackle. At least not on a team that want to compete for a title.

    And it isn't just cook. The whole line played like crap in the game and as a unit they are no where near playoff caliber. I think they were closer to playoff winning caliber with Hicks at LT and they might be even closer with him at RT.


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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "C" wrote:
    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    The sky is falling!!

    Seriously... our line SUCKED, not just Cook.


    Now, all of you who want him cut... who replaces him?

    ........Exactly
    Move Hicks over... That was easy.

    I don't even want Cook out of there, but if you're gonna lob one up like that...
    A little slow pitch softball goes a long way!!!

    I'm trying to remember what side Hicks played when he was in Philly.... anybody know?

    And based on how he played for BM, he did earn a shot...


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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    The sky is falling!!

    Seriously... our line SUCKED, not just Cook.


    Now, all of you who want him cut... who replaces him?

    ........Exactly
    Move Hicks over... That was easy.

    I don't even want Cook out of there, but if you're gonna lob one up like that...
    A little slow pitch softball goes a long way!!!

    I'm trying to remember what side Hicks played when he was in Philly.... anybody know?

    And based on how he played for BM, he did earn a shot...
    he played left guard in Philly

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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    "C" wrote:
    "ThorSPL" wrote:
    The sky is falling!!

    Seriously... our line SUCKED, not just Cook.


    Now, all of you who want him cut... who replaces him?

    ........Exactly
    Move Hicks over... That was easy.

    I don't even want Cook out of there, but if you're gonna lob one up like that...
    A little slow pitch softball goes a long way!!!

    I'm trying to remember what side Hicks played when he was in Philly.... anybody know?

    And based on how he played for BM, he did earn a shot...
    Pretty sure it was left... but I'm not totally giving up on Cook here, I just think maybe some rotation could be a good thing.

    I think we could have one of the best O-Lines in the league... but they just can't seem to get it going in this offense. It's frustrating to watch (or follow on ESPN.com).
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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    Cook had a bad game.
    Adrian has had bad games.
    Jared has had bad games.
    Even Randy Moss had bad games.
    Lets at least wait until the bye week before making any drastic moves.

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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    I like Cook and think he can be good.. I dont thnk he will be a stud but I feel he will be more consistant

    Hicks.. Idk if he can play RT.. It's a big adjustment moving sides.. People won't agree but it is

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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
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    I'ts ridiculous that you believe he's only had one bad game.
    There are several games you can count this year and last that he isn't cutting it.
    Same thing with Marcus Johnson.
    We need to cut loose already.
    Honestly, how do you quantify good RT play?

    Tackles are hardly ever highlighted for good plays, but they always are for bad ones. I would ask you which other games this year he has undeperformed in, but your view is so skewed that I don't expect a reasonable response.
    If he is getting called for penalties, getting beat in pass protection and failing to open up lanes in the running game I would say that is bad play.

    Define for us what you have seen that demonstrate that he has played well.
    A great RT is going to prevent sacks or hurries and avoid penalties about 80 to 90 percent of the time. That obviously depends on the caliber of DL that they are facing. Criticizing our run blocking is laughable unless you expect each lineman to block two defenders when we run. Cook has done fine, except for this game, where I do agree he was bad. At the same time, are we really expecting Cook to turn into an all prop blocker?

    If you want to point out his bad play vs the Lions that is fine, but to see one bad game then all of a sudden say he has been horrible all year (there have been minimal complaints about the OL until this last game, and that is because they have played well.) is over the top. He's not getting benched, and hopefully he'll work his ass off and bounce back from a tough game. That is exactly whats going to happen and we all know it.
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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "MinnesotaFury" wrote:
    Cook had a bad game.
    Adrian has had bad games.
    Jared has had bad games.
    Even Randy Moss had bad games.
    Lets at least wait until the bye week before making any drastic moves.
    That post right there got you moved up two columns
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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    I think enough people on this site are wise enough to recognize the difference in switching sides....


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