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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    He's a center.
    He's not a RT.
    I almost wish we had picked up Willie Anderson.
    That should be our target in the upcoming draft.

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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    Wow. This is a bit ridiculous. He had one bad game folks.
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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    I'ts ridiculous that you believe he's only had one bad game.
    There are several games you can count this year and last that he isn't cutting it.
    Same thing with Marcus Johnson.
    We need to cut loose already.

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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "vike_mike" wrote:
    I'ts ridiculous that you believe he's only had one bad game.
    There are several games you can count this year and last that he isn't cutting it.
    Same thing with Marcus Johnson.
    We need to cut loose already.
    Honestly, how do you quantify good RT play?

    Tackles are hardly ever highlighted for good plays, but they always are for bad ones. I would ask you which other games this year he has undeperformed in, but your view is so skewed that I don't expect a reasonable response.
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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Couple of things.....

    a.
    Baumy, do you still believe that the HC drafts the players?
    Comeon my friend.
    You know better. The draft is run by our VP of Player personnel and is based on players that appear to be the best fit (as scouted by the scouts under Studwell) for the scheme the coaches want to execute.

    b.
    I can't believe I am saying this, maybe Hicks would be ok over there, however, I am not so sure I would make the switch after one bad game this year.

    c.
    Cook, as with alot of the players on this team, are very inconsistent.
    It isn't because they aren't talented, rather, they are still a bit on the green side.
    As they get more and more reps they will get better an better.

    Problem with Cook is that he is in a bad position (yes position) in that he plays RT, arguably one of the most visible position (as are all of the OL positions) for casual yutz fans to see, well at least the bad plays.

    Good play is usually un-noticed as with Cooks play when he plays well.

    There was a couple of very nice posts on here during the offseason about Cooks actual performance and his percieved performance.
    Again, he had some bad stuff in there but he had some good as well.

    Long story short, cut the kid some slack.
    And week after week we play against teams that put in rookies or players with no starting experience and they do fine against our vaunted defensive line.
    Cook has had plenty of time to learn his role and do it effectively. His problem is not experience, it is that he is too fucking slow to block a speed rush. How many times do we need to go over this point? How in the hell do you think time is going to make his feet move faster or his reaction time improve? he is too slow for the position and that is not going to change. Like I said, make him a guard and he may be very good, but at Tackle he is the wrong fit.

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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "V" wrote:
    "vike_mike" wrote:
    I'ts ridiculous that you believe he's only had one bad game.
    There are several games you can count this year and last that he isn't cutting it.
    Same thing with Marcus Johnson.
    We need to cut loose already.
    Honestly, how do you quantify good RT play?

    Tackles are hardly ever highlighted for good plays, but they always are for bad ones. I would ask you which other games this year he has undeperformed in, but your view is so skewed that I don't expect a reasonable response.
    If he is getting called for penalties, getting beat in pass protection and failing to open up lanes in the running game I would say that is bad play.

    Define for us what you have seen that demonstrate that he has played well.

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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    Man, coming on here after an ugly WIN is like dealing with the Queen of Hearts in Alice through the Looking Glass.
    One mistake and it's "Off with his head".
    Put it in perspective people, one sack out of five, one holding call out of How many offensive snaps?
    As I recall Herrea had a holding call also. Shall we throw him out also?
    How many games has Birk gotten flagged for holding?

    Ryan Cook was a center in college, he switched postions upon coming to the Vikings, and considering his background he has proven to be athletic enough to handle the assignment.
    As JA told the fans "Just chill out."
    It was a WIN!!!

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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Couple of things.....

    a.
    Baumy, do you still believe that the HC drafts the players?
    Comeon my friend.
    You know better. The draft is run by our VP of Player personnel and is based on players that appear to be the best fit (as scouted by the scouts under Studwell) for the scheme the coaches want to execute.

    b.
    I can't believe I am saying this, maybe Hicks would be ok over there, however, I am not so sure I would make the switch after one bad game this year.

    c.
    Cook, as with alot of the players on this team, are very inconsistent.
    It isn't because they aren't talented, rather, they are still a bit on the green side.
    As they get more and more reps they will get better an better.

    Problem with Cook is that he is in a bad position (yes position) in that he plays RT, arguably one of the most visible position (as are all of the OL positions) for casual yutz fans to see, well at least the bad plays.

    Good play is usually un-noticed as with Cooks play when he plays well.

    There was a couple of very nice posts on here during the offseason about Cooks actual performance and his percieved performance.
    Again, he had some bad stuff in there but he had some good as well.

    Long story short, cut the kid some slack.
    And week after week we play against teams that put in rookies or players with no starting experience and they do fine against our vaunted defensive line.
    Cook has had plenty of time to learn his role and do it effectively. His problem is not experience, it is that he is too fricken slow to block a speed rush. How many times do we need to go over this point? How in the hell do you think time is going to make his feet move faster or his reaction time improve? he is too slow for the position and that is not going to change. Like I said, make him a guard and he may be very good, but at Tackle he is the wrong fit.
    Like our team doesn't have rookies or youngster performing my friend.
    I've been subjected to nothing but a steady stream of that crap for almost 3 years, however, at some point even the biggest of Chiller haters would have to say that there has been some successes in that regard with STJ (Saftey TJ) being the most recent addition to that crowd.

    Back to Cook, yes he struggles with speed rushers, so does Big Mac and every other damn T in the league.
    Not a good arguement.


    Take another tact like why wasn't he helped by the TE or something like that if you want to ping on the coaches, don't ping on Cook for playing like every other RT.


    By the way, lest we forget, it appears to me that he did a good enough job a couple of times (Sauce's catch) were the TE could actually get out in space and make a catch.

    Again, he had a bad game, I won't dispute that, however, he doesn't have a bad game every game.
    Even the lamest of yutz fans could/should be able to admit that.
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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    "Bkfldviking" wrote:
    Man, coming on here after an ugly WIN is like dealing with the Queen of Hearts in Alice through the Looking Glass.
    One mistake and it's "Off with his head".
    Put it in perspective people, one sack out of five, one holding call out of How many offensive snaps?
    As I recall Herrea had a holding call also. Shall we throw him out also?
    How many games has Birk gotten flagged for holding?

    Ryan Cook was a center in college, he switched postions upon coming to the Vikings, and considering his background he has proven to be athletic enough to handle the assignment.
    As JA told the fans "Just chill out."
    It was a WIN!!!
    Now there is someone who has a clue.
    Excellent post my friend.


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    Re: Ryan Cook, Just flat out not cutting it

    The sky is falling!!

    Seriously... our line SUCKED, not just Cook.


    Now, all of you who want him cut... who replaces him?

    ........Exactly


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