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    Re: Rookie Coaches

    Singers beat me to it.. I was going to say that..

    1. Chiefs- Herm Edwards

    2. Bills- Dick Jaroun

    3. Raiders- Art Shell

    Those 3 are not rookie HC's, just with different teams now.. Art Shell is actually with the same team that he coached previously.. Either way, with the talent that we have on this team, we should be doing much better with or without a rookie HC.. It is pretty sad, Childress most likely won't even match Tice's record of last season during all that turmoil.. Not looking good so far..

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    I haven't been able to get here in the last few weeks, and a painful few weeks they have been. Comparing our first year coach to others is the same as answering complaints about high taxes and giving examples of places with higher taxes. Who cares. You can always find examples ones who are/were worse than your own example.


    After the game two weeks ago I was thinking, B. Johnson does not seem to be efficient anymore and that has always been his strength. But, the main problem as I saw it was the offensive line playing way below their ability protection wise, the pass defence either acheiving a turn over once or twice in a game or being no defence at all, and the recievers dropping passes as if on schedule.


    After last weeks game my mind has changed a bit. I was one of the few, maybe only, people/person who didn't think that they should have let Tice go. I thought he did a good job the last half of last year and seemed to know what the team was capable of and got the most out of it. I thought they should have given him another year, but I wasn't terribly upset and thought that Childress was a good pick. After the first part of the season I figured that the management sure knew what they were doing when they let Tice go and picked up Childress. Now I'm not so sure. And it's not just losing these games to decidely mediocre competition that bothers me, it's the coaches tendency to repeat the same mistakes over and over again. It seems almost like a stubborness to admit that it was a mistaken move in the first place. The play calling in crucial situations has been uniformly terrible, game in and game out. This is not the teams fault, this is the coaches fault. And if the team is lackinjg in some areas, you play to their strengths, you don't try to force something that they haven't shown proficiency in and the defence seems to be doing very well against. Just one example, how many times has it been 3rd and 3-4 etc. and instead of throwing a short pass which is one of the areas where we do well, we either throw a long one (either not surpising the opposition or having it dropped) or a pass shorter than the yardage needed. The coaches timing on when to use this play or that play is almost the opposite of what should be.


    I haven't been here for a while so I don't know what has been said or even if he is still calling the plays, but if he is, he should stop and let the OC do the job.
    And who in the hell is calling the defensive schemes for the pass defenders. They make very average QB's look like Marino.

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    Re: Rookie Coaches

    "whackthepack" wrote:
    A look at some of the best head coaches in NFL history and how they did their 1st few years as head coach.



    Bill Belichick
    (best coach in the game today)

    1st head coaching job the Cleveland Browns (original ones)

    1991
    6 - 10
    1992
    7 - 9
    1993
    7 - 9
    1994
    11 - 5
    1995
    5 - 11 (fired)



    Jimmy Johnson
    (Dallas)

    1989
    1 - 15
    1990
    7 - 9
    1991
    11 - 5
    1 - 1 playoffs
    1992
    13 - 3
    3 - 0 playoffs
    1993
    12 - 4
    3 - 0 playoffs


    Bud Grant
    (Vikings)

    1967
    3 - 8 - 3
    1968
    8 - 6



    0 - 1 playoffs
    1969
    12 - 2


    2 - 1 playoffs
    1970
    12 - 2


    0 - 1 playoffs
    1971
    11 - 3


    0 - 1 Playoffs
    1972
    7 - 7


    Bill Parcels
    (Giants)

    1983

    3 - 12 - 1
    1984

    9 - 7





    1 - 1 playoffs
    1985

    10 - 6





    1 - 1 playoffs
    1986

    14 - 2





    3 - 0 playoffs



    Tom Landry
    (Dallas)

    1960

    0 - 11 - 1
    1961

    4 -
    9 - 1
    1962

    5 -
    8 - 1
    1963

    4 - 10
    1964

    5 -
    8 - 1
    1965

    7 - 7
    1966

    10 - 3 - 1



    0 - 1 Playoffs
    1967

    9 - 5






    1 - 1 playoffs
    1968

    12 - 2





    0 - 1 Playoffs


    Bill Walsh
    (49ers)

    1979

    2 - 14
    1980

    6 - 10
    1981

    13 - 3



    3 - 0 playoffs
    1982

    3 - 6
    1983

    10 - 6



    1 - 1 playoffs
    1984

    15 - 1



    3 - 0 Playoffs



    Chuck Noll (Pitt)
    4 time Superbowl winning head coach

    1969

    1 - 13
    1970

    5 - 9
    1971

    6 - 8
    1972
    11 - 3



    1- 1 playoffs
    1973
    10 - 4



    0 - 1 playoffs
    1974
    10 - 3 - 1
    3 - 0 playoffs
    1975
    12 - 2



    3 - 0 playoffs

    I think it is a little premature to use these coaches as examples of where we are going to in the future.

    Belechek:
    He has shown that even with losing key players on a regular basis, that having the right position coaches and signing intelligent players that can understand the scheme can overcome free agency and injuries. He also developed Brady, who came in green early in his career and led the team to win the super bowl in his first year on the field.

    Jimmy Johnson: The reason he won all of those championships is largely due to all of the players and draft picks we sent to them for Hershel Walker. That topic should never be brought up again unless we can send Bryany McKinnie to them for about 14 draft picks and starters.

    Bud Grant, Landry,Noll and even walsh to some extent all coached prior to the changes in free agency where you could build a team around a group of players and know you have the time to develop them. That will never happen again. In today's NFL you unfortunately have to hit the ground running and not look back if you are going to have success. After each season you have turnover in coaches and players and if you are going to wait for each new team to develop you will never have success.

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    Re: Rookie Coaches

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "whackthepack" wrote:
    A look at some of the best head coaches in NFL history and how they did their 1st few years as head coach.



    Bill Belichick
    (best coach in the game today)

    1st head coaching job the Cleveland Browns (original ones)

    1991

    6 - 10
    1992

    7 - 9
    1993

    7 - 9
    1994
    11 - 5
    1995

    5 - 11 (fired)



    Jimmy Johnson
    (Dallas)

    1989

    1 - 15
    1990

    7 - 9
    1991
    11 - 5

    1 - 1 playoffs
    1992
    13 - 3

    3 - 0 playoffs
    1993
    12 - 4

    3 - 0 playoffs


    Bud Grant
    (Vikings)

    1967

    3 - 8 - 3
    1968

    8 - 6



    0 - 1 playoffs
    1969
    12 - 2



    2 - 1 playoffs
    1970
    12 - 2



    0 - 1 playoffs
    1971
    11 - 3



    0 - 1 Playoffs
    1972

    7 - 7


    Bill Parcels
    (Giants)

    1983


    3 - 12 - 1
    1984


    9 - 7






    1 - 1 playoffs
    1985

    10 - 6





    1 - 1 playoffs
    1986

    14 - 2





    3 - 0 playoffs



    Tom Landry
    (Dallas)

    1960


    0 - 11 - 1
    1961


    4 -
    9 - 1
    1962


    5 -
    8 - 1
    1963


    4 - 10
    1964


    5 -
    8 - 1
    1965


    7 - 7
    1966

    10 - 3 - 1



    0 - 1 Playoffs
    1967


    9 - 5






    1 - 1 playoffs
    1968

    12 - 2






    0 - 1 Playoffs


    Bill Walsh
    (49ers)

    1979


    2 - 14
    1980


    6 - 10
    1981

    13 - 3




    3 - 0 playoffs
    1982


    3 - 6
    1983

    10 - 6




    1 - 1 playoffs
    1984

    15 - 1




    3 - 0 Playoffs



    Chuck Noll (Pitt)
    4 time Superbowl winning head coach

    1969

    1 - 13
    1970

    5 - 9
    1971

    6 - 8
    1972

    11 - 3



    1- 1 playoffs
    1973

    10 - 4



    0 - 1 playoffs
    1974

    10 - 3 - 1

    3 - 0 playoffs
    1975

    12 - 2



    3 - 0 playoffs

    I think it is a little premature to use these coaches as examples of where we are going to in the future.
    Belechek:

    He has shown that even with losing key players on a regular basis, that having the right position coaches and signing intelligent players that can understand the scheme can overcome free agency and injuries. He also developed Brady, who came in green early in his career and led the team to win the super bowl in his first year on the field.

    Jimmy Johnson: The reason he won all of those championships is largely due to all of the players and draft picks we sent to them for Hershel Walker. That topic should never be brought up again unless we can send Bryany McKinnie to them for about 14 draft picks and starters.

    Bud Grant, Landry,Noll and even walsh to some extent all coached prior to the changes in free agency where you could build a team around a group of players and know you have the time to develop them. That will never happen again. In today's NFL you unfortunately have to hit the ground running and not look back if you are going to have success. After each season you have turnover in coaches and players and if you are going to wait for each new team to develop you will never have success.

    Never said it was where we are going in the future!
    It was used to show posters on here that you can't judge a head coach on half a season!

    There was no free agency, but you also got to keep players that would have left in free agency and build a team and a system so it was not tougher and it is not tougher now, it is different than it was.

    And that may be where Belichick is today, but his 1st chance at a head-coaching job was a failer.
    And he turned out OK!
    But after a 5 game losing streak there are Viking fans that want Childress gone and that is ridiculous.

    And not all the moves that Jimmy Johnson and Jimmy Jones did was from the Viking's trade, it was big part of it but they over a 2 year period they made an incredible amount of deals and trades to build the team they did in Dallas.
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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