Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 14

Thread: Rookie Coaches

  1. #1
    Ayresd's Avatar
    Ayresd is offline Training Camp
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    26

    Rookie Coaches

    My compatriot AngloVike touched on a good point.

    So without me demanding Childress' head on a platter and yes 'HELL' we should never have let Linehan go.
    What should we expect from a rookie Head Coach??

    Rookies With Team

    SAINTS 6-4
    CHIEFS 6-4
    JETS 5-5
    VIKES 4-6
    BILLS 4-6
    RAMS 4-6
    **CKERS 4-6
    TEXANS 3-7
    LIONS 2-8
    RAIDERS 2-8

    (written in haste if anyone missed or an error please comment)
    We also know that team members should be stepping up, but it is obvious other teams are in the same situation.

    PS, I hope, AngloVike, you have a good trip to see the Cards on your pilgrimmage.

    See, Jesus Is Purple..

  2. #2
    Freya's Avatar
    Freya is offline Team Alumni
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    Atlantis
    Posts
    2,456

    Re: Rookie Coaches

    Just for fun........and maybe a little perspective.....

    Jimmy Johnson's first year with Dallas and Troy Aikman;

    1-15

    3 years later SB Champions. Not a single fan remembered that first year, I bet.


    Personally, I don't think there is intelligent life on other planets. Why should other planets be any different from this one?

  3. #3
    Prophet's Avatar
    Prophet is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    17,388

    Re: Rookie Coaches

    "Freya" wrote:
    Just for fun........and maybe a little perspective.....

    Jimmy Johnson's first year with Dallas and Troy Aikman;

    1-15

    3 years later SB Champions. Not a single fan remembered that first year, I bet.
    Good point.
    There are many situations where the first year coach has struggles.
    Bud Grant had a losing first season and the team even struggled when he was re-hired for a year after the Steckel debacle.
    Many have the TV mentality with an attention span of 30 seconds instead of the long-term.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

  4. #4
    AngloVike's Avatar
    AngloVike is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    Sandhurst, UK
    Posts
    6,768
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Rookie Coaches

    "Acumen" wrote:
    "Freya" wrote:
    Just for fun........and maybe a little perspective.....

    Jimmy Johnson's first year with Dallas and Troy Aikman;

    1-15

    3 years later SB Champions. Not a single fan remembered that first year, I bet.
    Good point.
    There are many situations where the first year coach has struggles.
    Bud Grant had a losing first season and the team even struggled when he was re-hired for a year after the Steckel debacle.
    Many have the TV mentality with an attention span of 30 seconds instead of the long-term.
    Exactly its not like the movies where it all gets turned around in a matter of a couple of games. Things take time- whats the saying " no pain, no gain " ..

    Thanks Ayresd, whatever our results up til now I'm always optimistic when I travel to the Dome. 60 mins of Vikes football and passion
    ;D
    Time spent annoying a Packer fan is never time wasted...


  5. #5
    snowinapril's Avatar
    snowinapril is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    13,404

    Re: Rookie Coaches

    "Ayresd" wrote:
    My compatriot AngloVike touched on a good point.

    So without me demanding Childress' head on a platter and yes 'HELL' we should never have let Linehan go.
    [size=13pt]What should we expect from a rookie Head Coach??[/size]

    Rookies With Team

    SAINTS 6-4
    CHIEFS 6-4
    JETS 5-5
    VIKES 4-6
    BILLS 4-6
    RAMS 4-6
    **CKERS 4-6
    TEXANS 3-7
    LIONS 2-8
    RAIDERS 2-8

    (written in haste if anyone missed or an error please comment)
    We also know that team members should be stepping up, but it is obvious other teams are in the same situation.

    PS, I hope, AngloVike, you have a good trip to see the Cards on your pilgrimmage.
    SAINTS 6-4 - Good job by Malcom in the Middle!
    CHIEFS 6-4 - Inheritted decent team.
    JETS 5-5 -
    Same old Jets, up and down, with a new coach.
    VIKES 4-6 - ??? AVG team
    BILLS 4-6 - AVG team
    RAMS 4-6 - Don't look much better than the Vikes, inherrited a lot of good O players.
    Should be doing better IMO.
    **CKERS 4-6 - AVG team
    TEXANS 3-7 - Below AVG team, the new age Yuccaneers.
    LIONS 2-8 - Below AVG team
    RAIDERS 2-8 - Below AVG team with a below AVG coach.
    Shell already proved this last time around.

    Did anyone expect more from any of the teams?

    Of course WE expected more as Viking Fans, but was it realistic?

    I expected more from the Chiefs.
    Herm walked into a good situation there.
    He is an experienced HC in this league, not really a rook.

    Heck, look at the SuperBowl Champs 4-6, and their non-rookie head coach of 14-15 yrs?? not sure how long, but he started with the Steelers about the same time Denny started in MN.
    Bad year? Injuries?

    To answer the [size=12pt]BIG[/size] question, More... as fans we all want more.


  6. #6
    whackthepack is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    6,535

    Re: Rookie Coaches

    A look at some of the best head coaches in NFL history and how they did their 1st few years as head coach.



    Bill Belichick
    (best coach in the game today)

    1st head coaching job the Cleveland Browns (original ones)

    1991
    6 - 10
    1992
    7 - 9
    1993
    7 - 9
    1994
    11 - 5
    1995
    5 - 11 (fired)



    Jimmy Johnson
    (Dallas)

    1989
    1 - 15
    1990
    7 - 9
    1991
    11 - 5
    1 - 1 playoffs
    1992
    13 - 3
    3 - 0 playoffs
    1993
    12 - 4
    3 - 0 playoffs


    Bud Grant
    (Vikings)

    1967
    3 - 8 - 3
    1968
    8 - 6



    0 - 1 playoffs
    1969
    12 - 2


    2 - 1 playoffs
    1970
    12 - 2


    0 - 1 playoffs
    1971
    11 - 3


    0 - 1 Playoffs
    1972
    7 - 7


    Bill Parcels
    (Giants)

    1983

    3 - 12 - 1
    1984

    9 - 7





    1 - 1 playoffs
    1985

    10 - 6





    1 - 1 playoffs
    1986

    14 - 2





    3 - 0 playoffs



    Tom Landry
    (Dallas)

    1960

    0 - 11 - 1
    1961

    4 -
    9 - 1
    1962

    5 -
    8 - 1
    1963

    4 - 10
    1964

    5 -
    8 - 1
    1965

    7 - 7
    1966

    10 - 3 - 1



    0 - 1 Playoffs
    1967

    9 - 5






    1 - 1 playoffs
    1968

    12 - 2





    0 - 1 Playoffs


    Bill Walsh
    (49ers)

    1979

    2 - 14
    1980

    6 - 10
    1981

    13 - 3



    3 - 0 playoffs
    1982

    3 - 6
    1983

    10 - 6



    1 - 1 playoffs
    1984

    15 - 1



    3 - 0 Playoffs



    Chuck Noll (Pitt)
    4 time Superbowl winning head coach

    1969

    1 - 13
    1970

    5 - 9
    1971

    6 - 8
    1972
    11 - 3



    1- 1 playoffs
    1973
    10 - 4



    0 - 1 playoffs
    1974
    10 - 3 - 1
    3 - 0 playoffs
    1975
    12 - 2



    3 - 0 playoffs
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

  7. #7
    whackthepack is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    6,535

    Re: Rookie Coaches

    Would some of these great coaches made it in the NFL today?

    Tom Landry probably wouldn't have made it past season 4!
    Would he have gotten another chance in the NFL?

    He went on to become one of the all time winningest coaches in NFL history and won 2 Superbowls.


    Would Chuck Noll made it past season 3?

    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

  8. #8
    Prophet's Avatar
    Prophet is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    17,388

    Re: Rookie Coaches

    If it was up to the fans they would have been axed.
    Thankfully, the people that run the operations in football have a wealth of experience in business, in football, or both.
    Some fans get angry when you say something like the cumulative years of the coaching staff actually coaching football is >100 yrs.
    Somehow someone that has played and never coached or coached at a marginal level is more knowledgeable than someone who devotes 80+ hrs a week for decades into the game.
    That is ludicrous.
    It's like a graduate student thinking they know more than their committee about a topic when their cumulative experience in the field is >100 yrs.
    Impossible.
    That doesn't mean we don't have opinions and we're not correct sometimes, but to think we know more is insanity.
    However, the reality is that there is and always will be a scapegoat when things aren't going right.
    That will never change, right or wrong, the blame will go to the leaders on the field or in the clubhouse.
    The fun continues.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

  9. #9
    singersp's Avatar
    singersp is offline PPO Newshound
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    52,219

    Re: Rookie Coaches

    "Ayresd" wrote:
    My compatriot AngloVike touched on a good point.

    So without me demanding Childress' head on a platter and yes 'HELL' we should never have let Linehan go.
    What should we expect from a rookie Head Coach??

    Rookies With Team

    SAINTS 6-4
    CHIEFS 6-4
    JETS 5-5
    VIKES 4-6
    BILLS 4-6
    RAMS 4-6
    **CKERS 4-6
    TEXANS 3-7
    LIONS 2-8
    RAIDERS 2-8

    (written in haste if anyone missed or an error please comment)
    We also know that team members should be stepping up, but it is obvious other teams are in the same situation.

    PS, I hope, AngloVike, you have a good trip to see the Cards on your pilgrimmage.

    Three of those you listed, are not even rookie coaches.

    Chiefs HC, Herm Edwards coached the NY Jets for 5 years. This is his 6th year as a HC.

    Bills HC Dick Jauron coached the Bears for 5 years & Detroit 1. This is his 6th year as a HC.

    Raiders HC Art Shell coached the LA Raiders for 6 years. This is his 7th year as a HC.

    You can't consider these 3 as rookie head coaches.

    Your list should be more like this;

    SAINTS 6-4
    JETS 5-5
    VIKES 4-6
    RAMS 4-6
    PACKERS 4-6
    TEXANS 3-7
    LIONS 2-8



    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

  10. #10
    i_bleed_purple's Avatar
    i_bleed_purple is offline Jersey Retired
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Canadialand
    Posts
    16,776
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Rookie Coaches

    but if you rank those teams, it will be more like this


    SAINTS
    6-4
    JETS

    5-5
    PACKERS
    4-6
    RAMS
    4-6
    VIKES
    4-6
    TEXANS
    3-7
    LIONS
    2-8

    not looking too good, being behind a team like the packers is not good

    even if you include those other teams, it looks like this

    SAINTS
    6-4
    CHIEFS
    6-4
    JETS

    5-5
    BILLS
    4-6
    **CKERS
    4-6
    RAMS
    4-6
    VIKES
    4-6
    TEXANS
    3-7
    LIONS
    2-8
    RAIDERS
    2-8

    7th out of 10, not good at all

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 136
    Last Post: 06-30-2009, 01:36 PM
  2. Rookie Randy Moss or Rookie AD.
    By Garland Greene in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 58
    Last Post: 07-05-2008, 07:21 PM
  3. Rookie Head Coaches get Graded
    By Slade in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 10-12-2006, 03:37 PM
  4. A few more coaches.
    By Prophet in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 07-29-2006, 11:20 PM
  5. coaches
    By Webby in forum Vikings Fan Forum
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 03-24-2003, 01:12 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •