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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    That 2006 draft doesn't look so good anymore...yes we got 6 starters for a while, but most of them failed to earn that status.

    Back to the who's in control argument, Bah! I think its semantics. Yes, Spielman has the final say, but it is very much still a team game at his level too, with Fraizer, Woods, Studwell etc all having a big say in how the board gets ordered, the needs stacked and thus the picks selected. I'm pretty sure that if Frazier went to Spielman and said, "we've got to get this guy," and "bangedd the table," as Mayock says, that he would likely get his guy 8 or 9 times out of ten.

    I love the Rhodes pick! I didn't see any shot at Milliner, but wanted a big physical guy to pair with Cook, and replace him as the no.1 should he get hurt, again. DJ Hayden still seems a risky pick to me, so I am happy as hell all those teams reached for OL and let XR slide to us!! Looks like at least one other team thought he deserved to go higher!

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    The kid hits hard in the open field, looks to be a text-book tackler, and can run stride for stride with his guy, spot the ball, undercut the route and snag the interception. Like Floyd and Patterson, he is a top-notch, blue-chip prospect, and I think he has a good chance to improve our pass D for years to come. I've been asking for more man coverage mixed into our zone for years, and it looks like we've finally added the talent to head in that direction. SKOL!!!

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    Bingo, when was the last time I told you that you were wise beyond your years?

    In the end there are thread after threads on this site were I lay out how its a organizational decision going into the draft and a GM (VP of player personel) decision when you get into the draft with input from the people in the room with you.

    If it was just the Chiller, as Singer would have you believe, it would be a lonely waroom. Heck, maybe thats why they never had a waroom cam like they did this year. To boring to look just at the Chiller. .....snicker....Now I cracked me up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Bingo, when was the last time I told you that you were wise beyond your years?

    In the end there are thread after threads on this site were I lay out how its a organizational decision going into the draft and a GM (VP of player personel) decision when you get into the draft with input from the people in the room with you.

    If it was just the Chiller, as Singer would have you believe, it would be a lonely waroom. Heck, maybe thats why they never had a waroom cam like they did this year. To boring to look just at the Chiller. .....snicker....Now I cracked me up.
    I never said it was just the Chiller. I said he carried more weight than what you believe.

    Thought this was a key point

    That 2006 draft doesn't look so good anymore...yes we got 6 starters for a while, but most of them failed to earn that status.
    How did that draft look the week after it was over? What about 2007 the week after the draft?

    The outlook of it is quite different now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    I never said it was just the Chiller. I said he carried more weight than what you believe.

    Thought this was a key point
    Marty likes to keep changing his story, and pretending we don't say things we do. I'm pretty sure he's still claiming we all wanted a playmaking fullback who could catch 80 passes a year.

    How did that draft look the week after it was over?
    That was the draft where we made massive reaches for Cook and Jackson?

    Greenway, Griffin and Edwards were decent picks, Griffin couldn't stay healthy, and Edwards was a headcase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    I'm liking the sound of that.
    Me too. I have always said that I like the Tampa 2 SCHEME ... but that does not mean you cannot manipulate it a bunch.

    You can still play a ton of zone coverages with a one-on-one specialist running around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    Marty likes to keep changing his story, and pretending we don't say things we do. I'm pretty sure he's still claiming we all wanted a playmaking fullback who could catch 80 passes a year.



    That was the draft where we made massive reaches for Cook and Jackson?

    Greenway, Griffin and Edwards were decent picks, Griffin couldn't stay healthy, and Edwards was a headcase.
    Ah, but we didn't know that the week after the draft.

    We know the outcome of all our drafts already, except our last two, so claiming this is our best draft ever without seeing anything out of these players is premature.

    It looks really good on paper the week after the draft, but so did a lot of others, until we saw how they played out.

    Now that Harvin is gone & many fans calling him a cancer, how do they grade that pick? Great pick? Bust?
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    Marty likes to keep changing his story, and pretending we don't say things we do. I'm pretty sure he's still claiming we all wanted a playmaking fullback who could catch 80 passes a year.
    And your now saying that you didn't?

    I never change my story unless I come right out and say, I was wrong, I'm changing my story. You just don't seem to understand my story sometimes. Hell, most of the time. (Wink Wink).
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Me too. I have always said that I like the Tampa 2 SCHEME ... but that does not mean you cannot manipulate it a bunch.

    You can still play a ton of zone coverages with a one-on-one specialist running around.
    Midg, they do manipulate it alot more than most know. If you get a chance, watch the stuff from the "All 22". It really shows a different game than what we see from the TV's normal QB/Sideline angle.

    One thing you can really see is that when the handoff happens, how far away our DLmen are really from the QB at times. For me, a guy that hacks on the DL alot, it was a real eye opener.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post
    Now that Harvin is gone & many fans calling him a cancer, how do they grade that pick? Great pick? Bust?
    You have to wait and watch his full career. Right now it looks like a great pick but a bust for our coaching staff and front office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_bleed_purple View Post
    Marty likes to keep changing his story, and pretending we don't say things we do. I'm pretty sure he's still claiming we all wanted a playmaking fullback who could catch 80 passes a year.



    That was the draft where we made massive reaches for Cook and Jackson?

    Greenway, Griffin and Edwards were decent picks, Griffin couldn't stay healthy, and Edwards was a headcase.
    Yep. That was the year we traded up in the second to take 2 guys who were projected to go as late as the 6th round. OTOH our trade this year got us a player many thought would be gone before it got to that pick. He may or may not pan out but it is sure a heck of a lot smarter the way they did it this year than in 2006

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    You have to wait and watch his full career. Right now it looks like a great pick but a bust for our coaching staff and front office.
    Far from a bust. We got a great player for 4 years, and then got a first rounder for him. I'll take that every time.
    Over 7,000 all purpose yards and 29TDs in 4 years.

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