Thread: The real record

While every game is important I place a special emphasis on winning the games in the division. To me every division game is a must win and against the Packers it goes double.

Since Childress was hired our divisional record is:

Bears- 0-2
Lions- 2-1
Packers 0-3

When I add it up that comes to 2-6 or .333



You cannot win your division or go to the playoffs if your division record is that low and we are apparently no closer to closing that gap when you look at the fact that the only team we beat last year(The Lions) beat us this year.

For those of you who are on the "We are rebuilding so it's gonna take some time" bandwagon, The Packers and lions are also rebuilding and their head coach has the same experience as Childress and his staff so we are getting our asses handed to us by coaching staffs who are no more experienced than we are. Apparently they are just better. And looking at those two teams I see no reason to believe they are sacrificing long term stability for short term gains. Both the lions and Packers have young teams and although their QB's are old, they are building the team to be able to bring in the replacement when necessary and still be able to win IMHO.

This is not a good sign.

Nice point about winning the division.
Gotta agree with you 100% there.

As for the whole "They are rebuilding and winning" thing.
Sure they are rebuilding but they have vets as playmakers.
We have very few vets at any of the playmaker positions.

Is that a good thing?
Probably not if you want to go 8-8 or 9-7 every year and get dumped out of the playoffs in the 1rst round every year.

I for one am willing to eat a couple of bad years (in the second year of that by the way) before I start saying the sky is falling my friend.

Take a close look at the team my friend.
They are playing together.
There is no sign of infighting or of them giving up on this staff.
Basically, the players have bought in on the grand scheme why can't we?

"Marrdro" wrote:

Nice point about winning the division.
Gotta agree with you 100% there.

As for the whole "They are rebuilding and winning" thing.
Sure they are rebuilding but they have vets as playmakers.
We have very few vets at any of the playmaker positions.

Is that a good thing?
Probably not if you want to go 8-8 or 9-7 every year and get dumped out of the playoffs in the 1rst round every year.

I for one am willing to eat a couple of bad years (in the second year of that by the way) before I start saying the sky is falling my friend.

Take a close look at the team my friend.
They are playing together.
There is no sign of infighting or of them giving up on this staff.
Basically, the players have bought in on the grand scheme why can't we?

What makes you think the packers and the lions have so many more veterans than we do? Hell, we have a crapload of veterans on the team

Offense-

Holcolm
Taylor
Richardson
Shank
Kleinsasser
Birk
Hutch
McKinnie
Wade
Ferguson



Defense


Pat Will
Kev Will
Sharper
Smith
Winfield


There are plenty of vets on this team to give the leadership needed to win games.

You may want to wait a few weeks before you say there is no sign of infighting. I hope it doesn't happen but the season is still young.

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

Nice point about winning the division.
Gotta agree with you 100% there.

As for the whole "They are rebuilding and winning" thing.
Sure they are rebuilding but they have vets as playmakers.
We have very few vets at any of the playmaker positions.

Is that a good thing?
Probably not if you want to go 8-8 or 9-7 every year and get dumped out of the playoffs in the 1rst round every year.

I for one am willing to eat a couple of bad years (in the second year of that by the way) before I start saying the sky is falling my friend.

Take a close look at the team my friend.
They are playing together.
There is no sign of infighting or of them giving up on this staff.
Basically, the players have bought in on the grand scheme why can't we?

What makes you think the packers and the lions have so many more veterans than we do? Hell, we have a crapload of veterans on the team

Offense-

Holcolm
Taylor
Richardson
Shank
Kleinsasser
Birk
Hutch
McKinnie
Wade
Ferguson



Defense


Pat Will
Kev Will
Sharper
Smith
Winfield


There are plenty of vets on this team to give the leadership needed to win games.

You may want to wait a few weeks before you say there is no sign of infighting. I hope it doesn't happen but the season is still young.

I never said that we lacked in leadership. Infact I think we have a pretty good team when it comes to that.
Additionally, I don't think they will start infighting.
If they do then I will be the first to start firing up the "Fire Childress Thread".


As for the vets at key positions.....

Holcolm
(Sucks but not as bad as BB)
This place should be TJ for the next game.
Taylor
(Give ya that one)
Richardson
(Give ya that one)
Shank (Career backup.
Doing pretty good though)
Kleinsasser
(Career blocker.
Believe it or not I lump the TE's in with the OL blocking issues)
Birk (I am pretty much sold that he needs to go.
Part of the problem)
Hutch (I am still on the ledge with this guy.
I think he sucks so bad this year cause of McKinnie and Birk).
McKinnie
(Part of the problem)
Wade
(Lump him in with Shank.
Pretty much first year he has really had the opportunity to shine)
Ferguson
(Don't get me going on this guy. He is a big part of the problem.
Glad his ass was on the bench most of the time today).

Basically, my point is the Rooks/Second year guys are our strength and this line of crap you just posted are just that, crap and part of the problem.
:

You want to get rid of Birk?

"V" wrote:

You want to get rid of Birk?

He has been a pro-bowler in the past but...It looks like he is getting old and has not played well at all this year. He might be time for him to go i agree. Put good Ol Cook back to his natural position. He will probably suck at center so that might not be a good idea tho...

Birk has not been his all-star self for years now....that and he's getting paid about 5 mill (a lot for a center) he needs to step it up big time. Time and time agian our interior line has been beaten in many games this year and Birk is part of the reason why.

Anyways, Lions and Packers are rebuilding but the reason they're more successful is

1.) They both have established QB
2.) They have solid offensive play-calling.

And oh yeah, their HC isn't named Childress.

"Marrdro" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

Nice point about winning the division.
Gotta agree with you 100% there.

As for the whole "They are rebuilding and winning" thing.
Sure they are rebuilding but they have vets as playmakers.
We have very few vets at any of the playmaker positions.

Is that a good thing?
Probably not if you want to go 8-8 or 9-7 every year and get dumped out of the playoffs in the 1rst round every year.

I for one am willing to eat a couple of bad years (in the second year of that by the way) before I start saying the sky is falling my friend.

Take a close look at the team my friend.
They are playing together.
There is no sign of infighting or of them giving up on this staff.
Basically, the players have bought in on the grand scheme why can't we?

What makes you think the packers and the lions have so many more veterans than we do? Hell, we have a crapload of veterans on the team

Offense-

Holcolm
Taylor
Richardson
Shank
Kleinsasser
Birk
Hutch
McKinnie
Wade
Ferguson



Defense


Pat Will
Kev Will
Sharper
Smith
Winfield


There are plenty of vets on this team to give the leadership needed to win games.

You may want to wait a few weeks before you say there is no sign of infighting. I hope it doesn't happen but the season is still young.

I never said that we lacked in leadership. Infact I think we have a pretty good team when it comes to that.
Additionally, I don't think they will start infighting.
If they do then I will be the first to start firing up the "Fire Childress Thread".


As for the vets at key positions.....

Holcolm
(Sucks but not as bad as BB)
This place should be TJ for the next game.
Taylor
(Give ya that one)
Richardson
(Give ya that one)
Shank (Career backup.
Doing pretty good though)
Kleinsasser
(Career blocker.
Believe it or not I lump the TE's in with the OL blocking issues)
Birk (I am pretty much sold that he needs to go.
Part of the problem)
Hutch (I am still on the ledge with this guy.
I think he sucks so bad this year cause of McKinnie and Birk).
McKinnie
(Part of the problem)
Wade
(Lump him in with Shank.
Pretty much first year he has really had the opportunity to shine)
Ferguson
(Don't get me going on this guy. He is a big part of the problem.
Glad his ass was on the bench most of the time today).

Basically, my point is the Rooks/Second year guys are our strength and this line of crap you just posted are just that, crap and part of the problem.
:

Marr

you just said

As for the whole "They are rebuilding and winning" thing.
Sure they are rebuilding but they have vets as playmakers.
We have very few vets at any of the playmaker positions.

I just named a bunch of vets at many positions,including playmaker positions. I did not say they were good,just vets.

If you think they are no good, then say none of the vets are any good, but don't say we don't have any.

We looked at this before and we have almost the same years of experience as Green Bay on our roster and I don't think that Detroit is stacked with veteran players either.

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

Nice point about winning the division.
Gotta agree with you 100% there.

As for the whole "They are rebuilding and winning" thing.
Sure they are rebuilding but they have vets as playmakers.
We have very few vets at any of the playmaker positions.

Is that a good thing?
Probably not if you want to go 8-8 or 9-7 every year and get dumped out of the playoffs in the 1rst round every year.

I for one am willing to eat a couple of bad years (in the second year of that by the way) before I start saying the sky is falling my friend.

Take a close look at the team my friend.
They are playing together.
There is no sign of infighting or of them giving up on this staff.
Basically, the players have bought in on the grand scheme why can't we?

What makes you think the packers and the lions have so many more veterans than we do? Hell, we have a crapload of veterans on the team

Offense-

Holcolm
Taylor
Richardson
Shank
Kleinsasser
Birk
Hutch
McKinnie
Wade
Ferguson



Defense


Pat Will
Kev Will
Sharper
Smith
Winfield


There are plenty of vets on this team to give the leadership needed to win games.

You may want to wait a few weeks before you say there is no sign of infighting. I hope it doesn't happen but the season is still young.

I never said that we lacked in leadership. Infact I think we have a pretty good team when it comes to that.
Additionally, I don't think they will start infighting.
If they do then I will be the first to start firing up the "Fire Childress Thread".


As for the vets at key positions.....

Holcolm
(Sucks but not as bad as BB)
This place should be TJ for the next game.
Taylor
(Give ya that one)
Richardson
(Give ya that one)
Shank (Career backup.
Doing pretty good though)
Kleinsasser
(Career blocker.
Believe it or not I lump the TE's in with the OL blocking issues)
Birk (I am pretty much sold that he needs to go.
Part of the problem)
Hutch (I am still on the ledge with this guy.
I think he sucks so bad this year cause of McKinnie and Birk).
McKinnie
(Part of the problem)
Wade
(Lump him in with Shank.
Pretty much first year he has really had the opportunity to shine)
Ferguson
(Don't get me going on this guy. He is a big part of the problem.
Glad his jiggly butt was on the bench most of the time today).

Basically, my point is the Rooks/Second year guys are our strength and this line of crap you just posted are just that, crap and part of the problem.
:

Marr

you just said

As for the whole "They are rebuilding and winning" thing.
Sure they are rebuilding but they have vets as playmakers.
We have very few vets at any of the playmaker positions.

I just named a bunch of vets at many positions,including playmaker positions. I did not say they were good,just vets.

If you think they are no good, then say none of the vets are any good, but don't say we don't have any.

We looked at this before and we have almost the same years of experience as Green Bay on our roster and I don't think that Detroit is stacked with veteran players either.

I think we might have a difference of opinion on what a playmaker is as well.

"Purplemania" wrote:

Birk has not been his all-star self for years now....that and he's getting paid about 5 mill (a lot for a center) he needs to step it up big time. Time and time agian our interior line has been beaten in many games this year and Birk is part of the reason why.

Anyways, Lions and Packers are rebuilding but the reason they're more successful is

1.) They both have established QB
2.) They have solid offensive play-calling.

And oh yeah, their HC isn't named Childress.

You make good points...the established QB with young receivers is the best thing Millen did.
He tried the rookie QB thing with the rookie receivers and it almost cost him his job.
He also brings in veteran Martz to fingerprint the offense.
What do we have?
young receivers, young quarterbacks and a young OC.
Where was the triangle of authority when this combination was proposed?
I think Chilly has pictures of Zygi and Spiels.