Thread: The real question for next season....

"Prophet" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976574#msg976574 date=1248963473]
[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976569#msg976569 date=1248963225]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976567#msg976567 date=1248963123]
When you start a new topic, just start a new poll and then fill in the blanks.

As to the new HC.
I really think it all depends on the stadium effort.
If the ownership group feels that there is not hope in getting a deal done, they will stay with the Chiller as they seem to like consistency at the top.

If they believe they can get a deal done but it would take sacking his jiggly butt, I would like to see two changes....

a.
We get a real GM.
My choice would be a EXPUKER

now I'm officially scared

b.
We get a HC that likes both the WCO and Cover 2.
(Chucky).

Please god no.
Get a WCO coordinator and a cover 2 coordinator, but not chucky.

He successfully took Dungy's superbowl calibre team and blew it to pieces.
not to mention their QB situation has been as big of a joke as ours has.
(almost)

LOL, in case you haven't noticed, the whole league has issues with the QB position.
Not sure why that escapes almost everyone on this site.

:-*
:-*
:-*

Bills: Trent Edwards > our situation
Dolphins: Pennington, nothimg more to be said
Pats.... yup
Jets: bigger problem
Ravens: Looking good with Flacco
Steelers: No problems here
Browns; Their problem is having two decent options.. wish we had that problem
Bengals; a healthy Palmer is a good QB
Texans; Issue
Colts: manning.. wish we had him
Jags: Garrard > TJ
Titans: almost-issue
Denver: Issue
Oakland; Issue, but has Garcia as a backup, which is better than what we have
KC:Issue
SD: good to go
Cowboys: decent shape
Giants: works for them
Eagles: McNabb is still a
top QB
Redskins: Campbell is playing better than TJ, but Issue
Bears: Cutler is a vast improvement
Lions: Issue
Packers: Looking fine for now
Falcons: I'dlove to have Ryan
Panthers: Issue
Saints: Ha... i'd say they're set
Bucs: Issues
Seahawks Issues
Cards: no issues
9ers Issues
Rams: issues that are far beyond just QB

I count 13 teams with clear issues, many of which are still better shape QB wise than us.
I'd saythat is cause for at least slight concern.

You have no issues with:

Cards:
What the hell is one more year gonna give them even if Warner does good this year?
At somepoint they need to have another QB ready.
Lienart perhaps? Same same for the Titans.
What happens if Collins doesn't keep overachieving either this year or the next. Issues

Giants: Comeon, the real Eli is gonna show up this year now that he doesn't have Plex anymore.
Go check thier wins/losses with/without Plex.
Hell, the only time Eli ever has a good December is when he has Plex at home or he isn't playing at home.
Dude throws such a floater that he is all over the place in the cold and wind.

Dolphins:
Although this appears to be a nice thing up front, it is really kindof a slam on him.
Seriously, to keep the offense moving they had to come up with a scheme that took the ball out of his hands?
Gimme a break.

Long story short, look real hard at em.
I just don't see alot of good ones starting, let alone anything that resembles a quality backup.

On a side note.........Falcons:
So would I.

so you don't think that Eli is a better situation than TJ/Sage?
I sure do, as much as I dislike him

Dolphins, can be argued either way, regardless, Pennington was one of the guys I really wanted when he was available

Warner should be fien for another year, then they have Leinart, who if you're going to write off, then might as well say to hell with TJ.
Leinart has had less time to prove himself than TJ has.
Still, IMO a fine option to start in two years.
[/quote]
Lienart has had less of a chance than TJ?
If that cat could play he would be on the field.
By he by, he and TJ were drafted in the same draft class right?

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2006/round2/

Look this isn't something new.
The state of the QB position in this league right now is horrendous and I've been hacking on it for a long time.

http://www.purplepride.org/forums/in...6408#msg856408

By the way,

QB 1
Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA
QB 2
Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX
QB 3
Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN
QB 4
Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
QB 5
Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
QB 6
Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR
QB 7
Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
QB 8
Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
QB 9
Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
QB 10
Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
QB 11
Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
QB 12
D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
QB 13
Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
QB 14
Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
QB 15
Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
QB 16
Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State

Your a new GM and are rebuilding a team.
Which cat would have you taken and when? ;D
[/quote]

So, wouldn't that shift the blame to the coaching staff?
Since there are very few franchise-type QBs in the league it is up to the coaching staff to make the Trent Dilfer's of the world shine by capitalizing on the team's strengths.
[/quote]

Unfortunate truth is as Marr states.
Because it is a reality that franchise QB's are a rarity in the league at this time, the coaching staff has to deal with it and win in spite of this situation if they want to save their jobs.


All the time trying to do whatever they can to find/develop that franchise qb.
In the case of a Childress, who is into his 4th year as HC without proving himself as a long term answer for this franchise, the future QB needs falls more into the FO IMO.
If I was in Childress' spot I would have pushed as hard as he did to bring Favre in, since that's not happening, I now need to find a way to improve with the current cast.
The current QB cast were all brought in under Brad's watch, so any of them that can come in and play well will bode well for him.
Whether its TJ, Sage or JDB, the loyalty from Brad should be the same at this point.
Play the guy that gives him the best chance of winning, rather than trying to develop a talent.
In this spirit, I hope that competition and new blood will lead to a better situation at qB this year, but I wouldn't expect a much higher level than what we saw last year.

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976569#msg976569 date=1248963225]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976567#msg976567 date=1248963123]
When you start a new topic, just start a new poll and then fill in the blanks.

As to the new HC.
I really think it all depends on the stadium effort.
If the ownership group feels that there is not hope in getting a deal done, they will stay with the Chiller as they seem to like consistency at the top.

If they believe they can get a deal done but it would take sacking his jiggly butt, I would like to see two changes....

a.
We get a real GM.
My choice would be a EXPUKER

now I'm officially scared

b.
We get a HC that likes both the WCO and Cover 2.
(Chucky).

Please god no.
Get a WCO coordinator and a cover 2 coordinator, but not chucky.

He successfully took Dungy's superbowl calibre team and blew it to pieces.
not to mention their QB situation has been as big of a joke as ours has.
(almost)

LOL, in case you haven't noticed, the whole league has issues with the QB position.
Not sure why that escapes almost everyone on this site.

:-*
:-*
:-*

Bills: Trent Edwards > our situation
Dolphins: Pennington, nothimg more to be said
Pats.... yup
Jets: bigger problem
Ravens: Looking good with Flacco
Steelers: No problems here
Browns; Their problem is having two decent options.. wish we had that problem
Bengals; a healthy Palmer is a good QB
Texans; Issue
Colts: manning.. wish we had him
Jags: Garrard > TJ
Titans: almost-issue
Denver: Issue
Oakland; Issue, but has Garcia as a backup, which is better than what we have
KC:Issue
SD: good to go
Cowboys: decent shape
Giants: works for them
Eagles: McNabb is still a
top QB
Redskins: Campbell is playing better than TJ, but Issue
Bears: Cutler is a vast improvement
Lions: Issue
Packers: Looking fine for now
Falcons: I'dlove to have Ryan
Panthers: Issue
Saints: Ha... i'd say they're set
Bucs: Issues
Seahawks Issues
Cards: no issues
9ers Issues
Rams: issues that are far beyond just QB

I count 13 teams with clear issues, many of which are still better shape QB wise than us.
I'd saythat is cause for at least slight concern.

You have no issues with:

Cards:
What the hell is one more year gonna give them even if Warner does good this year?
At somepoint they need to have another QB ready.
Lienart perhaps? Same same for the Titans.
What happens if Collins doesn't keep overachieving either this year or the next. Issues

Giants: Comeon, the real Eli is gonna show up this year now that he doesn't have Plex anymore.
Go check thier wins/losses with/without Plex.
Hell, the only time Eli ever has a good December is when he has Plex at home or he isn't playing at home.
Dude throws such a floater that he is all over the place in the cold and wind.

Dolphins:
Although this appears to be a nice thing up front, it is really kindof a slam on him.
Seriously, to keep the offense moving they had to come up with a scheme that took the ball out of his hands?
Gimme a break.

Long story short, look real hard at em.
I just don't see alot of good ones starting, let alone anything that resembles a quality backup.

On a side note.........Falcons:
So would I.

so you don't think that Eli is a better situation than TJ/Sage?
I sure do, as much as I dislike him

Dolphins, can be argued either way, regardless, Pennington was one of the guys I really wanted when he was available

Warner should be fien for another year, then they have Leinart, who if you're going to write off, then might as well say to hell with TJ.
Leinart has had less time to prove himself than TJ has.
Still, IMO a fine option to start in two years.
[/quote]
Lienart has had less of a chance than TJ?
If that cat could play he would be on the field.
By he by, he and TJ were drafted in the same draft class right?

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2006/round2/[/quote]
Hard to play when Warner is lighting it up.
He went through growing pains too while he was playing, but IMO didn't play too badly.
A guy who I think could shine in his situation after a couple years riding the pine and throwing to such good receivers.

By the way,

QB 1
Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA
QB 2
Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX
QB 3
Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN
QB 4
Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
QB 5
Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
QB 6
Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR
QB 7
Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
QB 8
Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
QB 9
Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
QB 10
Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
QB 11
Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
QB 12
D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
QB 13
Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
QB 14
Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
QB 15
Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
QB 16
Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State

Your a new GM and are rebuilding a team.
Which cat would have you taken and when? ;D

This isn't about When TJ was drafted, or Leinart, its about QB situations, and Arizona's is better than ours.
If we had a shot at any QB in the draft, I would ahve picked Cutler, then Leinart.
Jackson turned out better than most of the rest of those guys, but that isn't what its about.
Its not about reaching for TJ, its about who is in a better situation, and I believe that Leinart can be a future Starter.

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976574#msg976574 date=1248963473]
[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976569#msg976569 date=1248963225]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976567#msg976567 date=1248963123]
When you start a new topic, just start a new poll and then fill in the blanks.

As to the new HC.
I really think it all depends on the stadium effort.
If the ownership group feels that there is not hope in getting a deal done, they will stay with the Chiller as they seem to like consistency at the top.

If they believe they can get a deal done but it would take sacking his jiggly butt, I would like to see two changes....

a.
We get a real GM.
My choice would be a EXPUKER

now I'm officially scared

b.
We get a HC that likes both the WCO and Cover 2.
(Chucky).

Please god no.
Get a WCO coordinator and a cover 2 coordinator, but not chucky.

He successfully took Dungy's superbowl calibre team and blew it to pieces.
not to mention their QB situation has been as big of a joke as ours has.
(almost)

LOL, in case you haven't noticed, the whole league has issues with the QB position.
Not sure why that escapes almost everyone on this site.

:-*
:-*
:-*

Bills: Trent Edwards > our situation
Dolphins: Pennington, nothimg more to be said
Pats.... yup
Jets: bigger problem
Ravens: Looking good with Flacco
Steelers: No problems here
Browns; Their problem is having two decent options.. wish we had that problem
Bengals; a healthy Palmer is a good QB
Texans; Issue
Colts: manning.. wish we had him
Jags: Garrard > TJ
Titans: almost-issue
Denver: Issue
Oakland; Issue, but has Garcia as a backup, which is better than what we have
KC:Issue
SD: good to go
Cowboys: decent shape
Giants: works for them
Eagles: McNabb is still a
top QB
Redskins: Campbell is playing better than TJ, but Issue
Bears: Cutler is a vast improvement
Lions: Issue
Packers: Looking fine for now
Falcons: I'dlove to have Ryan
Panthers: Issue
Saints: Ha... i'd say they're set
Bucs: Issues
Seahawks Issues
Cards: no issues
9ers Issues
Rams: issues that are far beyond just QB

I count 13 teams with clear issues, many of which are still better shape QB wise than us.
I'd saythat is cause for at least slight concern.

You have no issues with:

Cards:
What the hell is one more year gonna give them even if Warner does good this year?
At somepoint they need to have another QB ready.
Lienart perhaps? Same same for the Titans.
What happens if Collins doesn't keep overachieving either this year or the next. Issues

Giants: Comeon, the real Eli is gonna show up this year now that he doesn't have Plex anymore.
Go check thier wins/losses with/without Plex.
Hell, the only time Eli ever has a good December is when he has Plex at home or he isn't playing at home.
Dude throws such a floater that he is all over the place in the cold and wind.

Dolphins:
Although this appears to be a nice thing up front, it is really kindof a slam on him.
Seriously, to keep the offense moving they had to come up with a scheme that took the ball out of his hands?
Gimme a break.

Long story short, look real hard at em.
I just don't see alot of good ones starting, let alone anything that resembles a quality backup.

On a side note.........Falcons:
So would I.

so you don't think that Eli is a better situation than TJ/Sage?
I sure do, as much as I dislike him

Dolphins, can be argued either way, regardless, Pennington was one of the guys I really wanted when he was available

Warner should be fien for another year, then they have Leinart, who if you're going to write off, then might as well say to hell with TJ.
Leinart has had less time to prove himself than TJ has.
Still, IMO a fine option to start in two years.
[/quote]
Lienart has had less of a chance than TJ?
If that cat could play he would be on the field.
By he by, he and TJ were drafted in the same draft class right?

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2006/round2/[/quote]
Hard to play when Warner is lighting it up.
He went through growing pains too while he was playing, but IMO didn't play too badly.
A guy who I think could shine in his situation after a couple years riding the pine and throwing to such good receivers.

By the way,

QB 1
Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA
QB 2
Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX
QB 3
Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN
QB 4
Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
QB 5
Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
QB 6
Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR
QB 7
Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
QB 8
Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
QB 9
Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
QB 10
Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
QB 11
Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
QB 12
D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
QB 13
Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
QB 14
Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
QB 15
Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
QB 16
Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State

Your a new GM and are rebuilding a team.
Which cat would have you taken and when? ;D

This isn't about When TJ was drafted, or Leinart, its about QB situations, and Arizona's is better than ours.
If we had a shot at any QB in the draft, I would ahve picked Cutler, then Leinart.
Jackson turned out better than most of the rest of those guys, but that isn't what its about.
Its not about reaching for TJ, its about who is in a better situation, and I believe that Leinart can be a future Starter.

[/quote]
AZ was not a better situation.
Lets not forget that he was there before Warner and only got the job cause Leinart got hurt.

"Marrdro" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

+1

We have one of the worst QBs corps in the NFL right now.

One of but surely not in the bottom 10 or atleast 14.
Am I happy about that?
Heck no, but seriously with hindsight being 20/20 what would you have done over the last 3 years?

Other teams (Subjectively 18 or so) are struggling with those same issues and the rest aren't that much better off
is all I am saying.

I disagree.
I think we are absolutely in the bottom 10.
In fact, I would say that we are in the bottom 5.

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976582#msg976582 date=1248963922]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976574#msg976574 date=1248963473]
[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976569#msg976569 date=1248963225]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976567#msg976567 date=1248963123]
When you start a new topic, just start a new poll and then fill in the blanks.

As to the new HC.
I really think it all depends on the stadium effort.
If the ownership group feels that there is not hope in getting a deal done, they will stay with the Chiller as they seem to like consistency at the top.

If they believe they can get a deal done but it would take sacking his jiggly butt, I would like to see two changes....

a.
We get a real GM.
My choice would be a EXPUKER

now I'm officially scared

b.
We get a HC that likes both the WCO and Cover 2.
(Chucky).

Please god no.
Get a WCO coordinator and a cover 2 coordinator, but not chucky.

He successfully took Dungy's superbowl calibre team and blew it to pieces.
not to mention their QB situation has been as big of a joke as ours has.
(almost)

LOL, in case you haven't noticed, the whole league has issues with the QB position.
Not sure why that escapes almost everyone on this site.

:-*
:-*
:-*

Bills: Trent Edwards > our situation
Dolphins: Pennington, nothimg more to be said
Pats.... yup
Jets: bigger problem
Ravens: Looking good with Flacco
Steelers: No problems here
Browns; Their problem is having two decent options.. wish we had that problem
Bengals; a healthy Palmer is a good QB
Texans; Issue
Colts: manning.. wish we had him
Jags: Garrard > TJ
Titans: almost-issue
Denver: Issue
Oakland; Issue, but has Garcia as a backup, which is better than what we have
KC:Issue
SD: good to go
Cowboys: decent shape
Giants: works for them
Eagles: McNabb is still a
top QB
Redskins: Campbell is playing better than TJ, but Issue
Bears: Cutler is a vast improvement
Lions: Issue
Packers: Looking fine for now
Falcons: I'dlove to have Ryan
Panthers: Issue
Saints: Ha... i'd say they're set
Bucs: Issues
Seahawks Issues
Cards: no issues
9ers Issues
Rams: issues that are far beyond just QB

I count 13 teams with clear issues, many of which are still better shape QB wise than us.
I'd saythat is cause for at least slight concern.

You have no issues with:

Cards:
What the hell is one more year gonna give them even if Warner does good this year?
At somepoint they need to have another QB ready.
Lienart perhaps? Same same for the Titans.
What happens if Collins doesn't keep overachieving either this year or the next. Issues

Giants: Comeon, the real Eli is gonna show up this year now that he doesn't have Plex anymore.
Go check thier wins/losses with/without Plex.
Hell, the only time Eli ever has a good December is when he has Plex at home or he isn't playing at home.
Dude throws such a floater that he is all over the place in the cold and wind.

Dolphins:
Although this appears to be a nice thing up front, it is really kindof a slam on him.
Seriously, to keep the offense moving they had to come up with a scheme that took the ball out of his hands?
Gimme a break.

Long story short, look real hard at em.
I just don't see alot of good ones starting, let alone anything that resembles a quality backup.

On a side note.........Falcons:
So would I.

so you don't think that Eli is a better situation than TJ/Sage?
I sure do, as much as I dislike him

Dolphins, can be argued either way, regardless, Pennington was one of the guys I really wanted when he was available

Warner should be fien for another year, then they have Leinart, who if you're going to write off, then might as well say to hell with TJ.
Leinart has had less time to prove himself than TJ has.
Still, IMO a fine option to start in two years.
[/quote]
Lienart has had less of a chance than TJ?
If that cat could play he would be on the field.
By he by, he and TJ were drafted in the same draft class right?

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2006/round2/[/quote]
Hard to play when Warner is lighting it up.
He went through growing pains too while he was playing, but IMO didn't play too badly.
A guy who I think could shine in his situation after a couple years riding the pine and throwing to such good receivers.

By the way,

QB 1
Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA
QB 2
Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX
QB 3
Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN
QB 4
Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
QB 5
Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
QB 6
Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR
QB 7
Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
QB 8
Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
QB 9
Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
QB 10
Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
QB 11
Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
QB 12
D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
QB 13
Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
QB 14
Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
QB 15
Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
QB 16
Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State

Your a new GM and are rebuilding a team.
Which cat would have you taken and when? ;D

This isn't about When TJ was drafted, or Leinart, its about QB situations, and Arizona's is better than ours.
If we had a shot at any QB in the draft, I would ahve picked Cutler, then Leinart.
Jackson turned out better than most of the rest of those guys, but that isn't what its about.
Its not about reaching for TJ, its about who is in a better situation, and I believe that Leinart can be a future Starter.

[/quote]
AZ was not a better situation.
Lets not forget that he was there before Warner and only got the job cause Leinart got hurt.
[/quote]

So warner was a backup, leinart got hurt, Warner took over and never looked back... How does that make Leinart a bad option?
That situation is far better than ours.
If we had a possible future HOF QB (could have) and a young player with promise (already have) that would be great.
Leinart has had the advantage of sitting and learning behind a great vet, TJ hasn't.
It would not surprise me to see Leinart take over next season and play extremely well.
Especially if Boldin is still around.

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

+1

We have one of the worst QBs corps in the NFL right now.

One of but surely not in the bottom 10 or atleast 14.
Am I happy about that?
Heck no, but seriously with hindsight being 20/20 what would you have done over the last 3 years?

Other teams (Subjectively 18 or so) are struggling with those same issues and the rest aren't that much better off
is all I am saying.

I disagree.
I think we are absolutely in the bottom 10.
In fact, I would say that we are in the bottom 5.

Wow, that bad huh.

I don't know, I kindof like what we have over at least most of these.

32.
Tampa
31.
Oakland
30.
Bills
29. Jets
28. San Fran
27. Deadskins
26. Lions
25. Miami
24. Seahawks
23. Denver
22. Houston
21. Jax

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976622#msg976622 date=1248966035]
[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976582#msg976582 date=1248963922]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976574#msg976574 date=1248963473]
[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976569#msg976569 date=1248963225]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976567#msg976567 date=1248963123]
When you start a new topic, just start a new poll and then fill in the blanks.

As to the new HC.
I really think it all depends on the stadium effort.
If the ownership group feels that there is not hope in getting a deal done, they will stay with the Chiller as they seem to like consistency at the top.

If they believe they can get a deal done but it would take sacking his jiggly butt, I would like to see two changes....

a.
We get a real GM.
My choice would be a EXPUKER

now I'm officially scared

b.
We get a HC that likes both the WCO and Cover 2.
(Chucky).

Please god no.
Get a WCO coordinator and a cover 2 coordinator, but not chucky.

He successfully took Dungy's superbowl calibre team and blew it to pieces.
not to mention their QB situation has been as big of a joke as ours has.
(almost)

LOL, in case you haven't noticed, the whole league has issues with the QB position.
Not sure why that escapes almost everyone on this site.

:-*
:-*
:-*

Bills: Trent Edwards > our situation
Dolphins: Pennington, nothimg more to be said
Pats.... yup
Jets: bigger problem
Ravens: Looking good with Flacco
Steelers: No problems here
Browns; Their problem is having two decent options.. wish we had that problem
Bengals; a healthy Palmer is a good QB
Texans; Issue
Colts: manning.. wish we had him
Jags: Garrard > TJ
Titans: almost-issue
Denver: Issue
Oakland; Issue, but has Garcia as a backup, which is better than what we have
KC:Issue
SD: good to go
Cowboys: decent shape
Giants: works for them
Eagles: McNabb is still a
top QB
Redskins: Campbell is playing better than TJ, but Issue
Bears: Cutler is a vast improvement
Lions: Issue
Packers: Looking fine for now
Falcons: I'dlove to have Ryan
Panthers: Issue
Saints: Ha... i'd say they're set
Bucs: Issues
Seahawks Issues
Cards: no issues
9ers Issues
Rams: issues that are far beyond just QB

I count 13 teams with clear issues, many of which are still better shape QB wise than us.
I'd saythat is cause for at least slight concern.

You have no issues with:

Cards:
What the hell is one more year gonna give them even if Warner does good this year?
At somepoint they need to have another QB ready.
Lienart perhaps? Same same for the Titans.
What happens if Collins doesn't keep overachieving either this year or the next. Issues

Giants: Comeon, the real Eli is gonna show up this year now that he doesn't have Plex anymore.
Go check thier wins/losses with/without Plex.
Hell, the only time Eli ever has a good December is when he has Plex at home or he isn't playing at home.
Dude throws such a floater that he is all over the place in the cold and wind.

Dolphins:
Although this appears to be a nice thing up front, it is really kindof a slam on him.
Seriously, to keep the offense moving they had to come up with a scheme that took the ball out of his hands?
Gimme a break.

Long story short, look real hard at em.
I just don't see alot of good ones starting, let alone anything that resembles a quality backup.

On a side note.........Falcons:
So would I.

so you don't think that Eli is a better situation than TJ/Sage?
I sure do, as much as I dislike him

Dolphins, can be argued either way, regardless, Pennington was one of the guys I really wanted when he was available

Warner should be fien for another year, then they have Leinart, who if you're going to write off, then might as well say to hell with TJ.
Leinart has had less time to prove himself than TJ has.
Still, IMO a fine option to start in two years.
[/quote]
Lienart has had less of a chance than TJ?
If that cat could play he would be on the field.
By he by, he and TJ were drafted in the same draft class right?

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2006/round2/[/quote]
Hard to play when Warner is lighting it up.
He went through growing pains too while he was playing, but IMO didn't play too badly.
A guy who I think could shine in his situation after a couple years riding the pine and throwing to such good receivers.

By the way,

QB 1
Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA
QB 2
Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX
QB 3
Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN
QB 4
Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
QB 5
Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
QB 6
Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR
QB 7
Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
QB 8
Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
QB 9
Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
QB 10
Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
QB 11
Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
QB 12
D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
QB 13
Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
QB 14
Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
QB 15
Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
QB 16
Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State

Your a new GM and are rebuilding a team.
Which cat would have you taken and when? ;D

This isn't about When TJ was drafted, or Leinart, its about QB situations, and Arizona's is better than ours.
If we had a shot at any QB in the draft, I would ahve picked Cutler, then Leinart.
Jackson turned out better than most of the rest of those guys, but that isn't what its about.
Its not about reaching for TJ, its about who is in a better situation, and I believe that Leinart can be a future Starter.

[/quote]
AZ was not a better situation.
Lets not forget that he was there before Warner and only got the job cause Leinart got hurt.
[/quote]

So warner was a backup, leinart got hurt, Warner took over and never looked back... How does that make Leinart a bad option?
That situation is far better than ours.
If we had a possible future HOF QB (could have) and a young player with promise (already have) that would be great.
Leinart has had the advantage of sitting and learning behind a great vet, TJ hasn't.
It would not surprise me to see Leinart take over next season and play extremely well.
Especially if Boldin is still around.
[/quote]
Do you think they want to pay both Matt and Kurt?
Comeon my friend.
If that cat could even get the ball close to that WRing corp he would be starting.

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976627#msg976627 date=1248966277]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976622#msg976622 date=1248966035]
[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976582#msg976582 date=1248963922]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976574#msg976574 date=1248963473]
[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976569#msg976569 date=1248963225]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976567#msg976567 date=1248963123]
When you start a new topic, just start a new poll and then fill in the blanks.

As to the new HC.
I really think it all depends on the stadium effort.
If the ownership group feels that there is not hope in getting a deal done, they will stay with the Chiller as they seem to like consistency at the top.

If they believe they can get a deal done but it would take sacking his jiggly butt, I would like to see two changes....

a.
We get a real GM.
My choice would be a EXPUKER

now I'm officially scared

b.
We get a HC that likes both the WCO and Cover 2.
(Chucky).

Please god no.
Get a WCO coordinator and a cover 2 coordinator, but not chucky.

He successfully took Dungy's superbowl calibre team and blew it to pieces.
not to mention their QB situation has been as big of a joke as ours has.
(almost)

LOL, in case you haven't noticed, the whole league has issues with the QB position.
Not sure why that escapes almost everyone on this site.

:-*
:-*
:-*

Bills: Trent Edwards > our situation
Dolphins: Pennington, nothimg more to be said
Pats.... yup
Jets: bigger problem
Ravens: Looking good with Flacco
Steelers: No problems here
Browns; Their problem is having two decent options.. wish we had that problem
Bengals; a healthy Palmer is a good QB
Texans; Issue
Colts: manning.. wish we had him
Jags: Garrard > TJ
Titans: almost-issue
Denver: Issue
Oakland; Issue, but has Garcia as a backup, which is better than what we have
KC:Issue
SD: good to go
Cowboys: decent shape
Giants: works for them
Eagles: McNabb is still a
top QB
Redskins: Campbell is playing better than TJ, but Issue
Bears: Cutler is a vast improvement
Lions: Issue
Packers: Looking fine for now
Falcons: I'dlove to have Ryan
Panthers: Issue
Saints: Ha... i'd say they're set
Bucs: Issues
Seahawks Issues
Cards: no issues
9ers Issues
Rams: issues that are far beyond just QB

I count 13 teams with clear issues, many of which are still better shape QB wise than us.
I'd saythat is cause for at least slight concern.

You have no issues with:

Cards:
What the hell is one more year gonna give them even if Warner does good this year?
At somepoint they need to have another QB ready.
Lienart perhaps? Same same for the Titans.
What happens if Collins doesn't keep overachieving either this year or the next. Issues

Giants: Comeon, the real Eli is gonna show up this year now that he doesn't have Plex anymore.
Go check thier wins/losses with/without Plex.
Hell, the only time Eli ever has a good December is when he has Plex at home or he isn't playing at home.
Dude throws such a floater that he is all over the place in the cold and wind.

Dolphins:
Although this appears to be a nice thing up front, it is really kindof a slam on him.
Seriously, to keep the offense moving they had to come up with a scheme that took the ball out of his hands?
Gimme a break.

Long story short, look real hard at em.
I just don't see alot of good ones starting, let alone anything that resembles a quality backup.

On a side note.........Falcons:
So would I.

so you don't think that Eli is a better situation than TJ/Sage?
I sure do, as much as I dislike him

Dolphins, can be argued either way, regardless, Pennington was one of the guys I really wanted when he was available

Warner should be fien for another year, then they have Leinart, who if you're going to write off, then might as well say to hell with TJ.
Leinart has had less time to prove himself than TJ has.
Still, IMO a fine option to start in two years.
[/quote]
Lienart has had less of a chance than TJ?
If that cat could play he would be on the field.
By he by, he and TJ were drafted in the same draft class right?

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2006/round2/[/quote]
Hard to play when Warner is lighting it up.
He went through growing pains too while he was playing, but IMO didn't play too badly.
A guy who I think could shine in his situation after a couple years riding the pine and throwing to such good receivers.

By the way,

QB 1
Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA
QB 2
Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX
QB 3
Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN
QB 4
Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
QB 5
Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
QB 6
Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR
QB 7
Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
QB 8
Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
QB 9
Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
QB 10
Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
QB 11
Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
QB 12
D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
QB 13
Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
QB 14
Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
QB 15
Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
QB 16
Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State

Your a new GM and are rebuilding a team.
Which cat would have you taken and when? ;D

This isn't about When TJ was drafted, or Leinart, its about QB situations, and Arizona's is better than ours.
If we had a shot at any QB in the draft, I would ahve picked Cutler, then Leinart.
Jackson turned out better than most of the rest of those guys, but that isn't what its about.
Its not about reaching for TJ, its about who is in a better situation, and I believe that Leinart can be a future Starter.

[/quote]
AZ was not a better situation.
Lets not forget that he was there before Warner and only got the job cause Leinart got hurt.
[/quote]

So warner was a backup, leinart got hurt, Warner took over and never looked back... How does that make Leinart a bad option?
That situation is far better than ours.
If we had a possible future HOF QB (could have) and a young player with promise (already have) that would be great.
Leinart has had the advantage of sitting and learning behind a great vet, TJ hasn't.
It would not surprise me to see Leinart take over next season and play extremely well.
Especially if Boldin is still around.
[/quote]
Do you think they want to pay both Matt and Kurt?
Comeon my friend.
If that cat could even get the ball close to that WRing corp he would be starting.
[/quote]
Yes, I do think they would.
Otherwise, why hang on to Leinart?
Kurt just came off a great season, leading one of the crappiest teams in the leagues history to the superbowl.
Of course they want to try and duplicate that, especially with a new offense in place.
Young QB + new offense = trouble.
two seasons from now it might be a different story.

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976634#msg976634 date=1248966834]
[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976627#msg976627 date=1248966277]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976622#msg976622 date=1248966035]
[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976582#msg976582 date=1248963922]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976574#msg976574 date=1248963473]
[quote author=i_bleed_purple link=topic=52563.msg976569#msg976569 date=1248963225]
[quote author=Marrdro link=topic=52563.msg976567#msg976567 date=1248963123]
When you start a new topic, just start a new poll and then fill in the blanks.

As to the new HC.
I really think it all depends on the stadium effort.
If the ownership group feels that there is not hope in getting a deal done, they will stay with the Chiller as they seem to like consistency at the top.

If they believe they can get a deal done but it would take sacking his jiggly butt, I would like to see two changes....

a.
We get a real GM.
My choice would be a EXPUKER

now I'm officially scared

b.
We get a HC that likes both the WCO and Cover 2.
(Chucky).

Please god no.
Get a WCO coordinator and a cover 2 coordinator, but not chucky.

He successfully took Dungy's superbowl calibre team and blew it to pieces.
not to mention their QB situation has been as big of a joke as ours has.
(almost)

LOL, in case you haven't noticed, the whole league has issues with the QB position.
Not sure why that escapes almost everyone on this site.

:-*
:-*
:-*

Bills: Trent Edwards > our situation
Dolphins: Pennington, nothimg more to be said
Pats.... yup
Jets: bigger problem
Ravens: Looking good with Flacco
Steelers: No problems here
Browns; Their problem is having two decent options.. wish we had that problem
Bengals; a healthy Palmer is a good QB
Texans; Issue
Colts: manning.. wish we had him
Jags: Garrard > TJ
Titans: almost-issue
Denver: Issue
Oakland; Issue, but has Garcia as a backup, which is better than what we have
KC:Issue
SD: good to go
Cowboys: decent shape
Giants: works for them
Eagles: McNabb is still a
top QB
Redskins: Campbell is playing better than TJ, but Issue
Bears: Cutler is a vast improvement
Lions: Issue
Packers: Looking fine for now
Falcons: I'dlove to have Ryan
Panthers: Issue
Saints: Ha... i'd say they're set
Bucs: Issues
Seahawks Issues
Cards: no issues
9ers Issues
Rams: issues that are far beyond just QB

I count 13 teams with clear issues, many of which are still better shape QB wise than us.
I'd saythat is cause for at least slight concern.

You have no issues with:

Cards:
What the hell is one more year gonna give them even if Warner does good this year?
At somepoint they need to have another QB ready.
Lienart perhaps? Same same for the Titans.
What happens if Collins doesn't keep overachieving either this year or the next. Issues

Giants: Comeon, the real Eli is gonna show up this year now that he doesn't have Plex anymore.
Go check thier wins/losses with/without Plex.
Hell, the only time Eli ever has a good December is when he has Plex at home or he isn't playing at home.
Dude throws such a floater that he is all over the place in the cold and wind.

Dolphins:
Although this appears to be a nice thing up front, it is really kindof a slam on him.
Seriously, to keep the offense moving they had to come up with a scheme that took the ball out of his hands?
Gimme a break.

Long story short, look real hard at em.
I just don't see alot of good ones starting, let alone anything that resembles a quality backup.

On a side note.........Falcons:
So would I.

so you don't think that Eli is a better situation than TJ/Sage?
I sure do, as much as I dislike him

Dolphins, can be argued either way, regardless, Pennington was one of the guys I really wanted when he was available

Warner should be fien for another year, then they have Leinart, who if you're going to write off, then might as well say to hell with TJ.
Leinart has had less time to prove himself than TJ has.
Still, IMO a fine option to start in two years.
[/quote]
Lienart has had less of a chance than TJ?
If that cat could play he would be on the field.
By he by, he and TJ were drafted in the same draft class right?

http://www.mynfldraft.com/2006/round2/[/quote]
Hard to play when Warner is lighting it up.
He went through growing pains too while he was playing, but IMO didn't play too badly.
A guy who I think could shine in his situation after a couple years riding the pine and throwing to such good receivers.

By the way,

QB 1
Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA
QB 2
Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX
QB 3
Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN
QB 4
Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
QB 5
Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
QB 6
Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR
QB 7
Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
QB 8
Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
QB 9
Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
QB 10
Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
QB 11
Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
QB 12
D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
QB 13
Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
QB 14
Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
QB 15
Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
QB 16
Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State

Your a new GM and are rebuilding a team.
Which cat would have you taken and when? ;D

This isn't about When TJ was drafted, or Leinart, its about QB situations, and Arizona's is better than ours.
If we had a shot at any QB in the draft, I would ahve picked Cutler, then Leinart.
Jackson turned out better than most of the rest of those guys, but that isn't what its about.
Its not about reaching for TJ, its about who is in a better situation, and I believe that Leinart can be a future Starter.

[/quote]
AZ was not a better situation.
Lets not forget that he was there before Warner and only got the job cause Leinart got hurt.
[/quote]

So warner was a backup, leinart got hurt, Warner took over and never looked back... How does that make Leinart a bad option?
That situation is far better than ours.
If we had a possible future HOF QB (could have) and a young player with promise (already have) that would be great.
Leinart has had the advantage of sitting and learning behind a great vet, TJ hasn't.
It would not surprise me to see Leinart take over next season and play extremely well.
Especially if Boldin is still around.
[/quote]
Do you think they want to pay both Matt and Kurt?
Comeon My Sexy Little Pixie.
If that cat could even get the ball close to that WRing corp he would be starting.
[/quote]
Yes, I do think they would.
Otherwise, why hang on to Leinart?
Kurt just came off a great season, leading one of the crappiest teams in the leagues history to the superbowl.
Of course they want to try and duplicate that, especially with a new offense in place.
Young QB + new offense = trouble.
two seasons from now it might be a different story.
[/quote]
CRappiest teams?
Damn, I would love to have thier WR's.

"Marrdro" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

+1

We have one of the worst QBs corps in the NFL right now.

One of but surely not in the bottom 10 or atleast 14.
Am I happy about that?
Heck no, but seriously with hindsight being 20/20 what would you have done over the last 3 years?

Other teams (Subjectively 18 or so) are struggling with those same issues and the rest aren't that much better off
is all I am saying.

I disagree.
I think we are absolutely in the bottom 10.
In fact, I would say that we are in the bottom 5.

Wow, that bad huh.

I don't know, I kindof like what we have over at least most of these.

32.
Tampa
31.
Oakland
30.
Bills
29. Jets
28. San Fran
27. Deadskins
26. Lions
25. Miami
24. Seahawks
23. Denver
22. Houston
21. Jax

Take off your Vikings glasses my friend.
Seahawks? Didn't TJ choose them over us because of our Qbs? BTW Wallace > TJ
Miami? I wanted Pennington. P> TJ
Skins? You are joking right?