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    Re: Ray Edwards seeks sack title

    "marstc09" wrote:
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    I think we should let Robison play out the rest of the season
    That would do it.

    :

    Comeon, Ray is getting beat to death over there and can't stay healthy even after he added the extra weight.
    What makes you think that Rob would fare any better?

    The right answer is that our "Golden Boy" D-coord needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and increase the rotations at LDE so that our guys (undersized by the way) aren't getting beat to death.

    Rob would get more reps and more production and Ray would be able to stay a bit fresher.

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    And you guys want this yutz to take over for the Chiller.
    gol 'darnit (big gol 'darnit)).
    Who said anything about him doing any better?
    :
    Silly me, someone says they want someone else to play over a certain individual and I go off assuming they want the cat to play cause they feel he will do better.

    I should have known you wanted Rob to play over Ray cause you wanted to see him do worse.


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    Re: Ray Edwards seeks sack title

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    I think we should let Robison play out the rest of the season
    That would do it.
    :

    Comeon, Ray is getting beat to death over there and can't stay healthy even after he added the extra weight.
    What makes you think that Rob would fare any better?

    The right answer is that our "Golden Boy" D-coord needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and increase the rotations at LDE so that our guys (undersized by the way) aren't getting beat to death.

    Rob would get more reps and more production and Ray would be able to stay a bit fresher.

    (Key note:
    And you guys want this yutz to take over for the Chiller.
    gol 'darnit (big gol 'darnit)).
    Who said anything about him doing any better?
    :
    Silly me, someone says they want someone else to play over a certain individual and I go off assuming they want the cat to play cause they feel he will do better.

    I should have known you wanted Rob to play over Ray cause you wanted to see him do worse.


    Man I am slow sometimes.
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    I feel you Marr.. what the hell happened to the rotation... i only remember seeing Robison on a few occasions all season!!... this is complete BS... they need to be doing more rotating to keep guys fresh.. what?? did they just do that when they thought we had inferior DE's last year??... Look at the Giants, they rotate all the time!!...

    it seems like as soon as a light bulb goes on for our team and coaches another goes out!!!.. WTF!!!

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    Re: Ray Edwards seeks sack title

    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    I think we should let Robison play out the rest of the season
    That would do it.
    :

    Comeon, Ray is getting beat to death over there and can't stay healthy even after he added the extra weight.
    What makes you think that Rob would fare any better?

    The right answer is that our "Golden Boy" D-coord needs to get his head out of his jiggly butt and increase the rotations at LDE so that our guys (undersized by the way) aren't getting beat to death.

    Rob would get more reps and more production and Ray would be able to stay a bit fresher.

    (Key note:
    And you guys want this yutz to take over for the Chiller.
    gol 'darnit (big gol 'darnit)).
    Who said anything about him doing any better?
    :
    Silly me, someone says they want someone else to play over a certain individual and I go off assuming they want the cat to play cause they feel he will do better.

    I should have known you wanted Rob to play over Ray cause you wanted to see him do worse.


    Man I am slow sometimes.
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    I feel you Marr.. what the hell happened to the rotation... i only remember seeing Robison on a few occasions all season!!... this is complete BS... they need to be doing more rotating to keep guys fresh.. what?? did they just do that when they thought we had inferior DE's last year??... Look at the Giants, they rotate all the time!!...

    it seems like as soon as a light bulb goes on for our team and coaches another goes out!!!.. WTF!!!
    Golden boy Frazier my friend.
    Problem is most on here keep giving him a pass on things of this nature.
    Mark my words, we are going to see how good a coach he is "IF" the Williams wall isn't out there.

    Of course then people will be giving him a bigger free ride cause he doesn't have them but hey, isn't a coach supposed to "Adjust the scheme to fit the players"...... ;D
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    Re: Ray Edwards seeks sack title

    "marstc09" wrote:
    I think we should let Robison play out the rest of the season
    I agree... I've been calling for him to start since his rookie year.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: Ray Edwards seeks sack title

    They better not give frazier a free ride!!..

    anytime you have 3 probowlers on your d-line and don't lead the league in sacks.. something is wrong.... I don't care how bad the pass d is!!... or was...

    we have too much talent on defense for teams to even be scoring 10 points.. IMO

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    Re: Ray Edwards seeks sack title

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    They better not give frazier a free ride!!..

    anytime you have 3 probowlers on your d-line and don't lead the league in sacks.. something is wrong.... I don't care how bad the pass d is!!... or was...

    we have too much talent on defense for teams to even be scoring 10 points.. IMO

    Although I agree Frazier shouldn't get a free pass, I disagree that you think our line is so amazing

    The only 2 who get good pressure are Kevin and Jared

    Edwards sucks and gets blown up every other snap.. And Pat is a great run stopper and that's his job

    We do have a good line.. But only 2 are pure pass rushing specialists

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    Re: Ray Edwards seeks sack title

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    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    They better not give frazier a free ride!!..

    anytime you have 3 probowlers on your d-line and don't lead the league in sacks.. something is wrong.... I don't care how bad the pass d is!!... or was...

    we have too much talent on defense for teams to even be scoring 10 points.. IMO

    Although I agree Frazier shouldn't get a free pass, I disagree that you think our line is so amazing

    The only 2 who get good pressure are Kevin and Jared

    Edwards sucks and gets blown up every other snap.. And Pat is a great run stopper and that's his job

    We do have a good line.. But only 2 are pure pass rushing specialists
    I hear ya my friend but you have to look at it a bit differently.
    Not everybody is on that line to sack the QB.

    Typical responsibility goes this way:

    a.
    RDE - Primary Responsibility (RH QB), rush the passer, Secondary stop the run, Tertiary contain/seal the end.

    b.
    LDE - Primary Responsibility (RH QB) stop the run, Secondary seal the end/contain, Tertiary rush the QB.

    c. DT's - Primary Responsibility stopthe run, Secondary collapse the pocket, Tertiary get to the QB.

    Now when you look at our DT's you can almost break that down a bit more based on the gap responsiblities they each have, however, long story short, K-will gets to go after the QB much more than Phat Pat as he often times has a 2 gap responsibility which precludes his ability to just bull rush the QB.
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    Re: Ray Edwards seeks sack title

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    They better not give frazier a free ride!!..

    anytime you have 3 probowlers on your d-line and don't lead the league in sacks.. something is wrong.... I don't care how bad the pass d is!!... or was...

    we have too much talent on defense for teams to even be scoring 10 points.. IMO

    Although I agree Frazier shouldn't get a free pass, I disagree that you think our line is so amazing

    The only 2 who get good pressure are Kevin and Jared

    Edwards sucks and gets blown up every other snap.. And Pat is a great run stopper and that's his job

    We do have a good line.. But only 2 are pure pass rushing specialists
    I hear ya my friend but you have to look at it a bit differently.
    Not everybody is on that line to sack the QB.

    Typical responsibility goes this way:

    a.
    RDE - Primary Responsibility (RH QB), rush the passer, Secondary stop the run, Tertiary contain/seal the end.

    b.
    LDE - Primary Responsibility (RH QB) stop the run, Secondary seal the end/contain, Tertiary rush the QB.

    c. DT's - Primary Responsibility stopthe run, Secondary collapse the pocket, Tertiary get to the QB.

    Now when you look at our DT's you can almost break that down a bit more based on the gap responsiblities they each have, however, long story short, K-will gets to go after the QB much more than Phat Pat as he often times has a 2 gap responsibility which precludes his ability to just bull rush the QB.


    Yah that's what I was saying with Pat

    But with Ray he just doesn't get pressure.. He either over runs the play and gets pushed outside of the pocket or gets pancaked

    He isn't playing good ball right now

    He needs to work on his speed rush techniques.. He trys to rely on his speed far too much

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    Re: Ray Edwards seeks sack title

    "V4L" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    They better not give frazier a free ride!!..

    anytime you have 3 probowlers on your d-line and don't lead the league in sacks.. something is wrong.... I don't care how bad the pass d is!!... or was...

    we have too much talent on defense for teams to even be scoring 10 points.. IMO

    Although I agree Frazier shouldn't get a free pass, I disagree that you think our line is so amazing

    The only 2 who get good pressure are Kevin and Jared

    Edwards sucks and gets blown up every other snap.. And Pat is a great run stopper and that's his job

    We do have a good line.. But only 2 are pure pass rushing specialists
    I hear ya my friend but you have to look at it a bit differently.
    Not everybody is on that line to sack the QB.

    Typical responsibility goes this way:

    a.
    RDE - Primary Responsibility (RH QB), rush the passer, Secondary stop the run, Tertiary contain/seal the end.

    b.
    LDE - Primary Responsibility (RH QB) stop the run, Secondary seal the end/contain, Tertiary rush the QB.

    c. DT's - Primary Responsibility stopthe run, Secondary collapse the pocket, Tertiary get to the QB.

    Now when you look at our DT's you can almost break that down a bit more based on the gap responsiblities they each have, however, long story short, K-will gets to go after the QB much more than Phat Pat as he often times has a 2 gap responsibility which precludes his ability to just bull rush the QB.


    Yah that's what I was saying with Pat

    But with Ray he just doesn't get pressure.. He either over runs the play and gets pushed outside of the pocket or gets pancaked

    He isn't playing good ball right now

    He needs to work on his speed rush techniques.. He trys to rely on his speed far too much
    Been pooohed pooohed away on here but I still contend that you just can't take a RDE and expect him to play LDE.

    He has to stand up to a different kind of blocking scheme against bigger people in the run game.
    It just wears him down even if he was built for it.

    As we say with Keneche a couple of years ago when he tried to play RDE out of necessity, it doesn't work well.
    He was to big and slow to get to the QB.
    Ray is to light/small to take the base 4-3 defensive pounding a LDE takes.

    Long story short, we miss Keneche and when he gets back, Ray will get less reps and will be fine backing up both ends.

    On a side note, Leslie should come up with a way to get Ray some reps off on first downs or second downs when they suspect they are gonna run.
    Unfortunately I don't think he has the knowledge to call a game to that level so he just keeps on beating Ray do death over there.
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    Re: Ray Edwards seeks sack title

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    "bleedpurple" wrote:
    They better not give frazier a free ride!!..

    anytime you have 3 probowlers on your d-line and don't lead the league in sacks.. something is wrong.... I don't care how bad the pass d is!!... or was...

    we have too much talent on defense for teams to even be scoring 10 points.. IMO

    Although I agree Frazier shouldn't get a free pass, I disagree that you think our line is so amazing

    The only 2 who get good pressure are Kevin and Jared

    Edwards sucks and gets blown up every other snap.. And Pat is a great run stopper and that's his job

    We do have a good line.. But only 2 are pure pass rushing specialists
    I hear ya my friend but you have to look at it a bit differently.
    Not everybody is on that line to sack the QB.

    Typical responsibility goes this way:

    a.
    RDE - Primary Responsibility (RH QB), rush the passer, Secondary stop the run, Tertiary contain/seal the end.

    b.
    LDE - Primary Responsibility (RH QB) stop the run, Secondary seal the end/contain, Tertiary rush the QB.

    c. DT's - Primary Responsibility stopthe run, Secondary collapse the pocket, Tertiary get to the QB.

    Now when you look at our DT's you can almost break that down a bit more based on the gap responsiblities they each have, however, long story short, K-will gets to go after the QB much more than Phat Pat as he often times has a 2 gap responsibility which precludes his ability to just bull rush the QB.


    Yah that's what I was saying with Pat

    But with Ray he just doesn't get pressure.. He either over runs the play and gets pushed outside of the pocket or gets pancaked

    He isn't playing good ball right now

    He needs to work on his speed rush techniques.. He trys to rely on his speed far too much
    Been pooohed pooohed away on here but I still contend that you just can't take a RDE and expect him to play LDE.

    He has to stand up to a different kind of blocking scheme against bigger people in the run game.
    It just wears him down even if he was built for it.

    As we say with Keneche a couple of years ago when he tried to play RDE out of necessity, it doesn't work well.
    He was to big and slow to get to the QB.
    Ray is to light/small to take the base 4-3 defensive pounding a LDE takes.

    Long story short, we miss Keneche and when he gets back, Ray will get less reps and will be fine backing up both ends.

    On a side note, Leslie should come up with a way to get Ray some reps off on first downs or second downs when they suspect they are gonna run.
    Unfortunately I don't think he has the knowledge to call a game to that level so he just keeps on beating Ray do death over there.


    Yah it's tough to switch ends

    But RDE was his original position so I expected more

    Expecially since he worked so hard in the offseason as well

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