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    Re: Ray Edwards Is Ready For The Ring

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    I think alot of you under estimate Rays athletic ability. Heres a quick "How do you do".......How many of you would get in the ring with him.

    Even though I a bit older, I still like to get into a good tussel every now and then (nothing better than getting hit and hitting back), but I sure wouldn't want to mess with him.
    You're also not a professionally trained boxer.

    I don't doubt for a second that Ray Edwards has the potential to be fantastic boxer, but physical ability alone won't get you far in such a technical sport.

    6'5" 265 NFL calibre athlete's don't find their way into boxing.

    Right now I'm pretty confident that he'd kick your, my, and everyone else's ass on these boards(and 99% of society) but someone like Wladi or Vitali Klitschko, Sam Peter, even Shannon Briggs and James Toney would wipe the floor with him. Same goes for a lot of the kickboxing and MMA guys.

    With several years of boxing specific training he could in all likelihood be great.

    But the NFL is sure money for him and a lot of other guys in the league who could be competing at a high level(if not higher, see Ted Ginn Jr) in other sports.
    I agree with everything you said my friend.

    I just feel that alot of people don't think Ray is that athletically talented.

    Just the fact that he was in the top 5 for DE pressures, from the LDE spot, shows he is quick of foot, has upper body strenght and is very smart.

    Mix that with some "Specialized" training required for boxing and I think he would do pretty good against most of the crop of boxers out there now.
    I'm not sure who would imply Ray isn't athletically gifted. I don't doubt his athletic ability...I simply have said he isn't as great of a DE as he thinks he is.

    That said, as others have pointed out, a REAL Boxer would eat Ray's lunch for him. On the flip side, just being big and strong doesn't make you an NFL Defensive Lineman - Brock Lesnar showed that.

    And, truth be told, I know guys half of Ray's size that could drop him like a bad habit.

    I guess the point is that it's difficult to be great in multiple sports at THAT level. It's tough enough to be GOOD in one (Ask Jackson). That's why there are so few 2 sport athletes in the Pro's.

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    Have you seen him box? no, then how to do you know who could drop him?
    I don't know if he's any good or not. But I know he is an elite athlete, athletically very few boxers in the world would have an advantage against him. Go look at his combine numbers.
    We also know that for the past 2 years he has been trained by a boxing hall of fame coach,Emanuel Steward, who has trained many heavy weight champions in the past.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Steward
    "I think it's very, very realistic for him to have an impact in the heavyweight division," Steward said. "Ray is a natural boxer in terms of rhythm and coordination. But it's his speed that surprised me because he is such an extremely big guy. I didn't think a guy could be that big and that fast. I'm training with a lot of heavyweights now, and having worked with primarily all of the heavyweight champions of the last 15 years -- like Lennox Lewis, [Evander] Holyfield and the Klitschkos -- I was very surprised at how quickly Ray caught on to things. Of all these athletes from football and basketball, he is the best that I have ever worked with, almost what you would say is a natural."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=6191367

    When asked what has happened to the American heavyweight, boxing historian Bert Sugar typically offers the same response.

    "The two best American heavyweights today are named Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher," Sugar has often said. "Unfortunately, they are both in the NFL."
    "To be effective in anything in life, you have to have attained a certain degree of confidence. So I would have Ray fighting very often, like once a month, to give him experience and get him comfortable fighting in any environment. With the proper training and regular fights, I would say in about 10 months he could be a serious threat to any middle-of-the-road or Class B heavyweight. Taking away guys like the Klitschkos and others who have Olympic gold medal experience, Ray would be a tough match for any heavyweight outside of the top 12 in the world."
    Now you want to sell Ray as the greatest thing since canned beer... Well, when he gets his first real bout, feel free to bet heavily on him.

    The muscles for boxing and the muscles for Football are different. The striking techniques, the footwork, the conditioning, it's all different.

    Maybe Ray IS the next best thing to cheese in a can.....but the more likely answer is that while he shows potential and promise, he hasn't spent YEARS training like most Pro Boxers have.

    Finally, when I said I knew guys half his size who could drop him, I should have specified that I wasn't simply talking about boxing. My POINT was that size and athletic ability alone won't make it happen.

    But feel free to get hyper-defensive again...

    Caine
    I think I wrote "I don't know if he's any good or not". How is that selling him as the next best thing? Your the one who claimed to have some insight into his ability, not me. I see you now understand you were talking out your ass and have corrected yourself. Thank you.
    hyper sensitive, lol. Must be internet tough guy talk.
    1: I claimed insight into his ability? No, I simply stated that it was my opinion that a REAL Boxer would eat his lunch. That's not a knock on ray, rather a statement that simply acknowledges that it takes more than talent to be successful in Boxing - as in any sport. Especially at the professional level.

    2: I don't think I backed off of anything I said, so I'm not sure where you get the impression that I believe I was talking out my ass. When I stated I knew guys half his size who could drop him (And I do -although I never claimed, nor do I believe, that I was one of them), I never said it was in a boxing ring.

    Of course, that was to support the idea that size and athleticism alone don't cut it...as Brock Lesnar found out when he tried out for the Vikings.

    3: You're the one freaking out because I don't think Ray is an instant Champion, not me.

    4: Internet tough guy response? Did I threaten to beat you up somewhere? If you want to get your panties twisted because I don't believe Ray Edwards can simply step into professional Heavy weight boxing and dominate, by all means feel free to disagree.

    5: I said you were hyper-defensive, not hyper-sensitive...although I suppose after you last post a case could be made for that as well.

    6: As I explained in BOTH posts - and I restated here - it takes more than athleticism to excel in any professional sport. Could Ray step right into boxing and kick ass? In my opinion, not at any serious level. Here's a piece of the article you spent so much space quoting:

    "I guess it's easy to say right now, with the division being the worst it's ever been in history, but there's a difference between having talent and doing it in the ring," Steward said. "The excitement of the crowd in a boxing ring is different than running out onto a football field. You are all by yourself and there are so many other factors.
    Essentially, he just said everything I said above....


    ...I suppose he's talking out his ass, too.

    Caine

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    Re: Ray Edwards Is Ready For The Ring

    I'm sure a promoter will get Ray a few fights against guys..well on the downward side of their career to get him going, this is a sport that got Mark Gastineau 15-2 record before retiring.

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    Re: Ray Edwards Is Ready For The Ring

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    LMAO. If he fought anyone good enough to command any type of pay day he will get knocked the ^%#^ out.
    Yeah, his self confidence can't be faulted! :lol:

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    Re: Ray Edwards Is Ready For The Ring

    Ray Edwards to fight on May 20

    "A lot of football players, like Ed 'Too Tall' Jones, have tried to cross over -- and they've all gotten knocked out," Warner told ESPN Mobile last month. "Ray will be the first to come from pro football as a starter and destroy the heavyweight division. Ray is a phenom. He's a modern-day Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson combined. He's the greatest conditioned heavyweight ever and he'll knock out any fighter in the world. No one looks like Ray, no one moves like Ray and no one works like Ray."
    At least his trainer is confident. Put's Don King to shame.

    The Star Tribune reported that Edwards is guaranteed $5,000 from the fight plus 50 percent of the gate proceeds for the fight at Grand Casino Hinckley. If the lockout continues into June, his second fight will take place that month under the same terms, the newspaper reported.
    Wonder if he gets free drinks and a few casino chips to go with that as well?

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    Re: Ray Edwards Is Ready For The Ring

    I'm actually excited to see this fight.
    I am NOT here to provide good football insight or rational observations. I am an emotional 19 year old Viking fan and I expect you to adjust your expectations from my posts.

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    Re: Ray Edwards Is Ready For The Ring

    I remember reading that Emanuel Steward praised Ray as a natural boxer and phenomenal athlete. Unfortunately for Edwards, Steward is not his trainer.

    His trainer--how can put this frankly-- is a joke. Now I'm not a boxer, nor am I an expert on boxing, but I can search the internet and I can read(and write, clearly.) Jeff Warner is not a real boxer or trainer. His "professional boxing career" may very well be the most fraudulent series of "sporting events" in history, with only a couple of legitimate fights, which were coincidentally against his trainer. He'd fight the homeless(some of which were even paid!,)his friends under different names,or no one at all in some cases(but still receive a W).

    He is a fake, a phony, a con artist. He tried to scam investors out of a $100,000 bonus by fixing 10 bouts. He made some money as a professional wrestler--which I'd like to point out, is fake, much like nearly every fight of his boxing career-- and now travels with his "church group" "Jeff Warner's Ultimate Strength" breaking bricks and other shit on stage... which (shockingly) also looks pretty fake. I've seen some competitive breaking on ESPN in the past and no one has ever made the bricks they break crumble so easily, nor break so many at a time.

    If Ray wants to actually compete as a boxer, he needs to dump this guy as soon as possible. I very seriously doubt he knows anything about Warner's past. From the sounds of it, Warner is great at hyping himself. All talk, no walk. I don't think Ray knows what he's getting into.

    If Edwards wants to win this fight, he'd better head to Detroit and train with Steward in the 40 days he has left... unless Warner fixed this fight too.

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    Re: Ray Edwards Is Ready For The Ring

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    Ray Edwards to fight on May 20

    "A lot of football players, like Ed 'Too Tall' Jones, have tried to cross over -- and they've all gotten knocked out," Warner told ESPN Mobile last month. "Ray will be the first to come from pro football as a starter and destroy the heavyweight division. Ray is a phenom. He's a modern-day Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson combined. He's the greatest conditioned heavyweight ever and he'll knock out any fighter in the world. No one looks like Ray, no one moves like Ray and no one works like Ray."
    At least his trainer is confident. Put's Don King to shame.

    The Star Tribune reported that Edwards is guaranteed $5,000 from the fight plus 50 percent of the gate proceeds for the fight at Grand Casino Hinckley. If the lockout continues into June, his second fight will take place that month under the same terms, the newspaper reported.
    Wonder if he gets free drinks and a few casino chips to go with that as well?
    I love it. He is greater than Ali and tyson but he is fighting for a 5k purse in the middle of BF Egypt. LMAO

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    Re: Ray Edwards Is Ready For The Ring

    Anyone have any idea how long the guy has been training? I believe her boxed in college( don't murder me if I am wrong). He didn't just wake up and say "I want to be a boxer". He also has gotten some reviews from guys that are suppose to be in the know.

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    Re: Ray Edwards Is Ready For The Ring

    In the end what does it matter. Boxing is as rigged as professional wrestling. His success will be dictated more by story line than his actual ability.

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    Re: Ray Edwards Is Ready For The Ring

    Please take up a career in boxing. You are way over rated and will demand far to much money to play football so please go away.

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