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    Re: A question for those who know about Vikings Payroll

    "soonerbornNbred" wrote:
    Overlord,Thank you for the enlightment on QBs ...Now who are the 5 or 6 highest paid guys and shouldnt they be the teams leaders or accountable core....as in Pats and Colts top paid players are the reason for their success or so it seems.
    That is an interesting perspective, but it does not necessarily lead to success and you can have a successful team without those positions being the highest paid.

    For instance, Baltimore and Tampa both had QB's during their championship year that were not at the top of the payroll and neither were their RB's or WR's. They were both geared toward the defense and the quarterbacks were journeymen.Chicago last year I suspect was very similar and I don't have time to go back and look, but my guess is that there were more super bowl winners in the past 2 decades who wouldn't fit your economic model. BTW, I don't think there is anything wrong with your idea and if we had the talent to demand that much salary to be committed to those positions I would be happy. But there are always more ways to skin the cat if that luxury is not at your disposal.

    Good points though.

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    Re: A question for those who know about Vikings Payroll

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "PackSux!" wrote:
    Rob Brezinski rules!

    B.
    Kevin Curtis visited MN as a possible candidate to be teh Veteran leadership to our young group of WR's.
    Sure he would have had a significant drop off in his anticipated production levels was a huge detractor from him staying.

    Brezinski could have offered a contract with more front end money instead of something laden with escalator clauses or incentives and that would have kept him here.
    OOOPs, that didn't happen did it.
    I believed it was really Marrdro posting there until this. What happened to the man who says stuff about everyone gathering together watching tape and making decisions as the team. You can't blame our cap manager for Curtis not wanting to come to MN.

    I'm almost positive he took less money to go to philly. We're not the most popular destination for NFL players. Do you really think a loaded front end contract would have made him decide to come here & it was just overlooked.

    And do you know what contract he was offered and if it truly was incentive laden?

    I think the front office is a little more complex then you think ;D



    I just took everything I've learned from marrdro and used it against his post. Giggity.
    Not quite there but I gotta give you credit for trying my friend. You are getting there.
    ;D

    Who knows what he took to go to Philly, the front end/gaurenteed money might be lower than we offered, but his incentives could have been alot more based on the QB throwing to him, WR's that would compliment him and the recent success that the team has had being a throwing team vice a running team.
    Again, who cares.


    My point is, did the staff (Capologist) give him a followup offer once he said no?
    Probably.
    When he said no again, did they followup with another? Not sure, but I am sure there was a price in there someplace that he would have said yes to.

    Case in point, Moss said yes to the Raiders.
    Was it because they had a great QB and OL and RB that made them instant contenders for a SB?
    Nope.
    It was the price.

    Back to Curtis, I do believe thier is a price that he would have said yes to, what that price is isn't my point.
    My point is that the
    the front office is the one who makes those offers, not the Chiller my friend.
    Do you really think the Chiller would sit down with the Curtis's agent and discuss escalators and incentives plus gaurenteed money spread out over the life of the contract?

    Heavens forbid.
    He has more to do than that.

    I believe it was Caine who made a comment a few weeks back about maybe if we had a GM things like this wouldn't slip through the cracks.
    I agreed with Caine on that but there sure was alot of Pooo Poooing over that.
    Just shows, IMHO, that some people don't even have the faintest idea of how complex a front office is or what it does for that matter.

    Look, I am not pretending to think I know how this organization works, but I have read some books/studied on this subject and I know how the owner structured his staff and trust me when I tell you, the Chiller doesn't negotiate contracts with players.
    He only says that they meet his standards with respect to abilities and potential.
    ;D

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    Re: A question for those who know about Vikings Payroll

    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "PackSux!" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "PackSux!" wrote:
    Rob Brezinski rules!
    Some would think that based on were we stand so far under the cap.
    I for one question some of his decisions right along with some other front office decisions...... :

    A.
    When we needed a VET that could not only teach TJ (Coaches Coach, Players Play) the intricacies of the game, why didn't they offer Brad a 1 or 2 year contract laden with incentives to that would have kept him here?

    He had a chance to still start games (what he wanted) he loved being a Viking (or so he said).
    Seems all the right pieces were in place but yet, he is gone and we have lots of CAP and no one worth a hook to teach the young Jedi.

    Brezinski Rules!!!!!!!

    B.
    Kevin Curtis visited MN as a possible candidate to be teh Veteran leadership to our young group of WR's.
    Sure he would have had a significant drop off in his anticipated production levels was a huge detractor from him staying.

    Brezinski could have offered a contract with more front end money instead of something laden with escalator clauses or incentives and that would have kept him here.
    OOOPs, that didn't happen did it.

    Brezinski Rules!!!!!!!!

    C.
    Holcomb was targeted early on in the pre-season hunt as a possible Vet to work with the young Jedi and add depth at probably our shakiest position on the team.
    Everyone, including Holcomb would have benifited from him getting in early enough to ensure that he was familiar with the staff and the system.

    Eagles asking price was to high.
    We balked until it became blatantly obvious to the casual observer and some of you posters that TJ wasn't as far along as the staff wanted him to be.
    End state is, the front office paid the original asking price and we got him in late, behind the power curve.

    Brezinski Rules!!!!!!!!

    Comeon people.
    I love the guy and think he is a genious when it comes to keeping us under the spending limit, but why the hell do we need to be so far below the limit.

    Lets start making some credible posts other than Chilly sucks and TJ sucks and start looking at reality of why we are in the mess we are in.

    Brezinski Rules, Fire Childress and his Coaching Staff!!!!!!!!

    :

    :
    Good post.
    Except it dont make any sense at all.
    Brezinski's job is to write up a contract when the coaches and the player personel tell him to.

    And the reason we are so far under the cap each year is because of the up front money.
    Do you remember two years ago when we signed Hutch and Taylor and then went on to give K Will a nice big juicy contract? Not to mention the other contracts that were signed and the rookies as well.
    Them kind of contracts would of killed many teams, but not the Vikings.
    Rob Brezinski is the reason why.

    And if Brezinski is as smart about coaching as he is with salaries then yes he should be coach and gm.
    I've kindof been on this soap box all week, if you haven't noticed.
    ;D

    The coaches do not make the decision who gets contracts.
    In fact, in its simplest form, it is a more of a front office kindof thing that the coaches have input into.

    The Owner(s), Studwell, Medical Doctors, Capologist, Psychologist, PR reps etc etc etc all have an input.
    The Head Coach has a say as well, however, not as much as some people think.

    You seen the quote I've been stealing from Parcells lately?

    "If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries."
    He was alluding to the fact that he didn't have very much say in the players that were put on the field.
    He just had to coach what they gave him.

    That was from Coach Parcells.
    The Tuna.
    Master of his own destinay, and yet, he didn't get to select his players.

    No my friend, the coaches don't tell Mr. Brazsinski who to sign.

    We don't really know how much say BC gets, my guess would be a good sum seeing as we don't have a GM.

    But the Tuna had Jerry Jones. And Jerry Jones likes to bring his guys in. I know Zygi has much less input than some owners in the NFL.
    Isn't Brazyznski our GM? And if he is, does he have the credentials to be an effective GM as it relates to things other than salary cap management? Does anybody know what his job description consists of at all or is the structure of the organization clouded in mystery?

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    Re: A question for those who know about Vikings Payroll

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    We have the 3 and 4:

    http://www.nflgridirongab.com/2007/07/05/top-10-salaries-in-the-nfl-as-published-in-the-usa-today/

    This works through last year:

    http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/default.aspx?Loc=Vanity

    I could not find the 2007 salaries yet.
    They'll be out towards the end of the year or early next.

    Interesting note............ Everyone kept saying how Smoot was way over paid, yet last year he made a little over half of what Cedric Griffin did.

    Griffin, Cedric - $ 1,575,000

    Smoot, Fred - $ 852,941

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    Re: A question for those who know about Vikings Payroll

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "PackSux!" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    [quote author=PackSux! link=topic=39084.msg661344#msg661344 date=1193264807]
    Rob Brezinski rules!
    Some would think that based on were we stand so far under the cap.
    I for one question some of his decisions right along with some other front office decisions...... :

    A.
    When we needed a VET that could not only teach TJ (Coaches Coach, Players Play) the intricacies of the game, why didn't they offer Brad a 1 or 2 year contract laden with incentives to that would have kept him here?

    He had a chance to still start games (what he wanted) he loved being a Viking (or so he said).
    Seems all the right pieces were in place but yet, he is gone and we have lots of CAP and no one worth a hook to teach the young Jedi.

    Brezinski Rules!!!!!!!

    B.
    Kevin Curtis visited MN as a possible candidate to be teh Veteran leadership to our young group of WR's.
    Sure he would have had a significant drop off in his anticipated production levels was a huge detractor from him staying.

    Brezinski could have offered a contract with more front end money instead of something laden with escalator clauses or incentives and that would have kept him here.
    OOOPs, that didn't happen did it.

    Brezinski Rules!!!!!!!!

    C.
    Holcomb was targeted early on in the pre-season hunt as a possible Vet to work with the young Jedi and add depth at probably our shakiest position on the team.
    Everyone, including Holcomb would have benifited from him getting in early enough to ensure that he was familiar with the staff and the system.

    Eagles asking price was to high.

    We balked until it became blatantly obvious to the casual observer and some of you posters that TJ wasn't as far along as the staff wanted him to be.

    End state is, the front office paid the original asking price and we got him in late, behind the power curve.

    Brezinski Rules!!!!!!!!

    Comeon people.

    I love the guy and think he is a genious when it comes to keeping us under the spending limit, but why the hell do we need to be so far below the limit.

    Lets start making some credible posts other than Chilly sucks and TJ sucks and start looking at reality of why we are in the mess we are in.

    Brezinski Rules, Fire Childress and his Coaching Staff!!!!!!!!

    :

    :
    Good post.
    Except it dont make any sense at all.
    Brezinski's job is to write up a contract when the coaches and the player personel tell him to.

    And the reason we are so far under the cap each year is because of the up front money.
    Do you remember two years ago when we signed Hutch and Taylor and then went on to give K Will a nice big juicy contract? Not to mention the other contracts that were signed and the rookies as well.

    Them kind of contracts would of killed many teams, but not the Vikings.
    Rob Brezinski is the reason why.

    And if Brezinski is as smart about coaching as he is with salaries then yes he should be coach and gm.
    I've kindof been on this soap box all week, if you haven't noticed.

    ;D

    The coaches do not make the decision who gets contracts.
    In fact, in its simplest form, it is a more of a front office kindof thing that the coaches have input into.

    The Owner(s), Studwell, Medical Doctors, Capologist, Psychologist, PR reps etc etc etc all have an input.
    The Head Coach has a say as well, however, not as much as some people think.

    You seen the quote I've been stealing from Parcells lately?

    "If they want you to cook the dinner, at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries."
    He was alluding to the fact that he didn't have very much say in the players that were put on the field.
    He just had to coach what they gave him.

    That was from Coach Parcells.
    The Tuna.
    Master of his own destinay, and yet, he didn't get to select his players.

    No my friend, the coaches don't tell Mr. Brazsinski who to sign.

    We don't really know how much say BC gets, my guess would be a good sum seeing as we don't have a GM.

    But the Tuna had Jerry Jones. And Jerry Jones likes to bring his guys in. I know Zygi has much less input than some owners in the NFL.
    Isn't Brazyznski our GM? And if he is, does he have the credentials to be an effective GM as it relates to things other than salary cap management? Does anybody know what his job description consists of at all or is the structure of the organization clouded in mystery?
    [/quote]
    No, as a matter of fact, we don't have a GM.
    We have a 3 people that make decisions (The triangle of Authority) which didn't work with the first iteration.
    Someone got fired after only being here a few months, after he almost screwed the pooch on the draft (my assumption it is because we didn't get Cutler or Kellen and had to settle for TJ) in 2006.

    There still has been a few snaffu's (I can only assume but it is/was over the FA period this year) so now the owner wants to be more involved in day to day operations and personnel decisions.

    End all to be all, we have a Triangle of Authority plus one, the owner.
    Kindof wierd if you ask me.
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    Re: A question for those who know about Vikings Payroll

    uffda you are getting at exactly what Im trying to say... Yes baltimore , chicago, Tampa Bay did succeed in different style than Pats Colts...but 10 to 1 says their "core" guys the ones they call the identity of their teams
    Ray Lewis, Urlacher...TB's def players were the highest paid players on their teams....so Im thinking the 5-7 highest paid guys on the Vikings are the guys that need to be takin the lead and carryin this team to succeed.....I might be crazy

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