Thread: Quarterback Quandry (Possible Solution)

"pack93z" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

Do you think they will want to get rid of Losman?

For the right price, I believe so.. the other reason I think they will move him, is he has a starter mentality and from the little I have heard, didn't like the thought of giving up his throne on the depth chart after only a few games.

Plus you have this working within the Bills, Marv Levy isn't getting any younger and he wants to build a winner there in a hurry.. they need depth along the defensive front.. trading a decent pick and a decent DE with some potential may be just what the doctor ordered to obtain JP.

Just a hunch that is... Not to mention that JP has either 2 or 3 years left on his rookie deal so it might be peak value time to move him.

Very nice.

Were would you put him on the list?

"vikingivan" wrote:

I say we put Pennington number one on the list.
We sign him to a 3 year deal.
We then do whatever we have to do get Matt Ryan in the draft.
We let Ryan take his time and learn under Pennington.
I believe Pennington would be a good mentor.
He does not come across as an athlete that puts I in front of team.

There is a quandry for you.. Matt Ryan is going to go early in this draft, and if you continue along at the current pace or pick it up some in the winning department.. you will have to move up to get him. The Rams, Fins, and Falcons are probably looking to a QB this comming spring, add to that the Bears.. Ryan and Brian Brohm are probably is gone at that point.

Woodson and Colt Brennan are next in line.. Woodson might take some time to develop and Brennan will have to unlearn the June Jones offense to be effective in the NFL..

"Zeus" wrote:

"vikingivan" wrote:

I think you left out one of the most obvious candidates, Chad Pennington.

Pennington?
PENNINGTON?

Dear God, no.
I'd rather have Jake Plummer than that weak-armed walking injury report.

Pennington?!?!?

If you thought people bitched about not throwing deep when Brittle Brad was taking snaps last year, wait until they get a load of Mr. Can't Throw An Out Pass.

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I also questioned his arm strenght and left him off just for that reason, however the masses have spoke.

Top to bottom order.

1. Chad Pennington
2. Donavon Mcnabb
3. Jake Plummer

I will not put Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson on a list of QB's the Vikes should get.
I refuse.
I will not see this team give up a 1st and 3rd pick it will require to get them when we could easily pursue and get one of the first two people on my list (not to mention Pennington probably is going to look for a smaller market that doesn't include one of the big three cities, because the fans are bigger dicks than us.)
We can get Pennington/Mcnabb or possibly Plummer if he wanted to come out of retirement for MN
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But lets say we do get Pennington who is nice and accurate and would fit our scheme well I think.
Then we could use the first and third picks we still have to address the WR, DE, RT/RG situation.

Once again, please don't be happy giving up a first and a third pick for a QB when there will be viable options on the market that don't cost that.
And don't get me wrong, if Derek Anderson was a unrestricted free agent he'd be on the top of the list, but things being how they are don't get worked up over the Cleveland Browns.

"pack93z" wrote:

"vikingivan" wrote:

I say we put Pennington number one on the list.
We sign him to a 3 year deal.
We then do whatever we have to do get Matt Ryan in the draft.
We let Ryan take his time and learn under Pennington.
I believe Pennington would be a good mentor.
He does not come across as an athlete that puts I in front of team.

There is a quandry for you.. Matt Ryan is going to go early in this draft, and if you continue along at the current pace or pick it up some in the winning department.. you will have to move up to get him. The Rams, Fins, and Falcons are probably looking to a QB this comming spring, add to that the Bears.. Ryan and Brian Brohm are probably is gone at that point.

Woodson and Colt Brennan are next in line.. Woodson might take some time to develop and Brennan will have to unlearn the June Jones offense to be effective in the NFL..

Remember, one of the assumptions in this post is that we don't want to go into next year with another rookie/developmental guy.

For this thread lets just pretend that we only want a Vet as our starter next year.
;D

"Marrdro" wrote:

Were would you put him on the list?

Somewhere between b1 and b3... MacNabb brings a proven track record and knows Chilly's offense, but has to basically relearn how to play the game without his running ability.. not that he won't be able to run again, but I think the mental part will set in about it.

Anderson is going to be a tough play to get out of Cleveland if he continues along the pace he has, that franchise is starving for a winner and he has given them some light.. if he carries this performance out til the end of the season.. he will be near demi-god status in the pound.. they would take a major hit in dealing him..

"Schutz" wrote:

Top to bottom order.

1. Chad Pennington
2. Donavon Mcnabb
3. Jake Plummer

I will not put Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson on a list of QB's the Vikes should get.
I refuse.
I will not see this team give up a 1st and 3rd pick it will require to get them when we could easily pursue and get one of the first two people on my list (not to mention Pennington probably is going to look for a smaller market that doesn't include one of the big three cities, because the fans are bigger whoopdeedoos than us.)
We can get Pennington/Mcnabb or possibly Plummer if he wanted to come out of retirement for MN
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But lets say we do get Pennington who is nice and accurate and would fit our scheme well I think.
Then we could use the first and third picks we still have to address the WR, DE, RT/RG situation.

Once again, please don't be happy giving up a first and a third pick for a QB when there will be viable options on the market that don't cost that.
And don't get me wrong, if Derek Anderson was a unrestricted free agent he'd be on the top of the list, but things being how they are don't get worked up over the Cleveland Browns.

I hear ya and briefly mentioned draft picks in the thread.

I believe that because we have done so well in the previous two drafts, we are sitting pretty good going into the 2008 draft and do have the latitude to give up a pick or two if necessary.

Additionally, we do already have an extra pick cause our front office seems to know how to work the draft for extra picks (i.e. Rice deal). I don't think we will mortage the bank, so to speak, with giving up 2 picks for the kid if he he is available.

Long story short, with what we have now (Player wise) and what we can do in the FA market, doesn't it make sense to go after a DE and WR in the FA market, make sure we have a good QB that will be here for awhile and then draft depth at the positions you just mentioned.

"Marrdro" wrote:

Remember, one of the assumptions in this post is that we don't want to go into next year with another rookie/developmental guy.

For this thread lets just pretend that we only want a Vet as our starter next year.

;D

Yep just broaching the Matt Ryan development theory.. which would be a great coup if the Vikes obtain him somehow this offseason.. he has the right make up, a good teaching in Jags, and has the physical tools. Nice call Vikingivan.

Some really good stuff my friends.
How about some comments on the guys below Losman.
Do you all think they aren't viable options?

"Marrdro" wrote:

a.
Anderson.
High asking price who might not be avail (If Cleveland was smart).
b1.
Pennington.
I left him out, but by popular demand he is inserted here. A good choice based on the inputs recieved.
b2.
McNabb.
Problem is he isn't the healthiest guy the last few years and is a bit out of the age group.
He would give us a pretty reliable QB but tends to throw alot.
The staff would have to hold his audibles back a bit.
Might help in keeping him healthy if the OL keeps improving and our RB situation stays the same.
c.
Nall.
Probably a good fit talent wise, just hasn't shown enough to be the guy.
Still an interesting candidate.
d.
Gradkowski.
Not a bad candidate.
TB is gonna have to let somebody go. Might be a guy we can get off the waiver wire without giving up picks.
e. Wallace.
Almost a last kindof choice just cause of his height.
f. Ramsey. Again, probably not a real good candidate but someone that might fit.

I throw it out there for anyone that knows of another option (Please give rationale and keep it to guys that are on teams right now.
No washed up has beens and no collegiate players.)

Why are you putting QBs on the list who aren't actually going to be free agents?
The discussion should be based in reality, at this point, since there is so much that is unknown at halfway through the 2007 season.

http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Free-Agents-By-Position/QB

Ryan Fitzpatrick Cincinnati Bengals RFA QB

Craig Ochs Buffalo Bills RFA QB

Dan Orlovsky Detroit Lions RFA QB

Todd Collins Washington Redskins UFA QB

Ken Dorsey Cleveland Browns UFA QB

Quinn Gray Jacksonville Jaguars UFA QB

Rex Grossman Chicago Bears UFA QB

Drew Henson Minnesota Vikings UFA QB

Cleo Lemon Miami Dolphins UFA QB

Jared Lorenzen New York Giants UFA QB

Jamie Martin New Orleans Saints UFA QB

Josh McCown Oakland Raiders UFA QB

Jim Sorgi Indianapolis Colts UFA QB

Brian St. Pierre Pittsburgh Steelers UFA QB

Seneca Wallace Seattle Seahawks UFA QB

From that list, I'm leaning towards Tarvaris Jackson.

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