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    Re: Proposal advances for Vikings stadium in Arden Hil

    I'm sure that if this starts to get any traction the evil entity that is called the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission will step in and muck it up.
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    Re: Proposal advances for Vikings stadium in Arden Hil

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1088652
    I'm sure that if this starts to get any traction the evil entity that is called the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission will step in and muck it up.
    You said it all right there my friend. Why the team would even let the state get involved in it with the MSFC is beyond me. They could do it so much cheaper by themselves.

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    Re: Proposal advances for Vikings stadium in Arden Hil

    Quote Originally Posted by "NodakPaul" #1088621
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    Typical. The Vikings once again are trying to play ball before they even have their shit together.

    For the love of god i once would like to see them do their homework and actually have a solid, comprehensive game plan before the game starts instead of just winging it.

    They have been going at this for like 13-15 years and they still don't have a site nailed down.
    Ummm, this isn't the Vikings, it is the city of Arden Hills and teh County of Ramsey who are working this proposal. The Vikings have been invited to the table.

    Not sure what your complaint is here. You have to start somewhere. And I seem to remember a stadium proposal in 2005 that not only had a site, but also a financing plan in place that was shot down in the legislature...
    Bingo.

    You said it all there. The Vikings need to pick a site that THEY want and a location THEY want and then put the chips on the table and get it done. What they have been doing is blowing around like a candle in the wind, never knowing who to cling to when the rain set in.

    Why is it up to the state to do all of the work? The Vikings need to shit or get off the pot and make the one plan in the one location they want and put down the money it will take to build it or they need to move somewhere else.

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    Re: Proposal advances for Vikings stadium in Arden Hil

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1088702
    Quote Originally Posted by "NodakPaul" #1088621
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1088597
    Typical. The Vikings once again are trying to play ball before they even have their shit together.

    For the love of god i once would like to see them do their homework and actually have a solid, comprehensive game plan before the game starts instead of just winging it.

    They have been going at this for like 13-15 years and they still don't have a site nailed down.
    Ummm, this isn't the Vikings, it is the city of Arden Hills and teh County of Ramsey who are working this proposal. The Vikings have been invited to the table.

    Not sure what your complaint is here. You have to start somewhere. And I seem to remember a stadium proposal in 2005 that not only had a site, but also a financing plan in place that was shot down in the legislature...
    Bingo.

    You said it all there. The Vikings need to pick a site that THEY want and a location THEY want and then put the chips on the table and get it done. What they have been doing is blowing around like a candle in the wind, never knowing who to cling to when the rain set in.

    Why is it up to the state to do all of the work? The Vikings need to shit or get off the pot and make the one plan in the one location they want and put down the money it will take to build it or they need to move somewhere else.
    You aren't making any sense. Why is it up to the state to do all the work? Ummm, the state hasn't done anything - at all.

    The Vikings DID pick a site that THEY wanted and a location that THEY wanted and they put the chips on the table. And the state shot it down. It doesn't work that way.

    The Vikings, the state, and a local partner need to work TOGETHER to come up with a viable plan.
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    Re: Proposal advances for Vikings stadium in Arden Hil

    Quote Originally Posted by "NodakPaul" #1088720
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1088702
    Quote Originally Posted by "NodakPaul" #1088621
    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1088597
    Typical. The Vikings once again are trying to play ball before they even have their shit together.

    For the love of god i once would like to see them do their homework and actually have a solid, comprehensive game plan before the game starts instead of just winging it.

    They have been going at this for like 13-15 years and they still don't have a site nailed down.
    Ummm, this isn't the Vikings, it is the city of Arden Hills and teh County of Ramsey who are working this proposal. The Vikings have been invited to the table.

    Not sure what your complaint is here. You have to start somewhere. And I seem to remember a stadium proposal in 2005 that not only had a site, but also a financing plan in place that was shot down in the legislature...
    Bingo.

    You said it all there. The Vikings need to pick a site that THEY want and a location THEY want and then put the chips on the table and get it done. What they have been doing is blowing around like a candle in the wind, never knowing who to cling to when the rain set in.

    Why is it up to the state to do all of the work? The Vikings need to shit or get off the pot and make the one plan in the one location they want and put down the money it will take to build it or they need to move somewhere else.
    You aren't making any sense. Why is it up to the state to do all the work? Ummm, the state hasn't done anything - at all.

    The Vikings DID pick a site that THEY wanted and a location that THEY wanted and they put the chips on the table. And the state shot it down. It doesn't work that way.

    The Vikings, the state, and a local partner need to work TOGETHER to come up with a viable plan.
    That is where your disconnect is.

    The Vikings are the ones who need the money. They are going to have to rely on the state to fund a good chunk of that stadium and they need the state way more than the state needs them ( I know that may be hard for you to swallow) so it is the responsibility of the Vikings org to put together the plan, have it be a plan that stands a chance financially of being viable and present something the state can work with and sell to the voters.

    Yes, the Vikings have put out several proposals but what they have not done is present a plan that the state can sell to the voters as economically viable. Instead they just keep shuttling in half baked plan after half baked plan with no projections on what type of revenue it will produce to justify the expenditure and each plan has been significantly more extravagant and expensive. The cost between the last two went from app 600 million to 950 million which is a staggering amount of increased cost that didn't add anything the the game of football.

    You might also want to inform us on the advantage of getting the state involved when it comes to things like permitting, review, regulations and things like that which lead to a much higher price tag than would be if it were built privately. In my experience with planning, overseeing and executing projects that involved state funding the cost of state involvement ends up adding 25-30 percent of cost to the project just to bring it into compliance with the funding agencies. Pleases explain to me why that is a good thing. After the very limited experience that I have had dealing with state funded projects there is absolutely no way that I would even let them at the table unless it was absolutely necessary and at that point I would be very prepared to jump through any hoop they want to hold out there and expect in the end that it will still cost me the same amount of money as it would have had they not been at the table.

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    Re: Proposal advances for Vikings stadium in Arden Hil

    What about a pitch from the Vikings geared towards the individual counties instead of the State?

    Wouldn't that create a bit of a dynamic of competition within the State, possibly playing one county off another? Perhaps the "pitch" would include state funding as well as a county-type tax and concessions, regardless of what counties were actually interested in having the team situated within their confines.

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    Re: Proposal advances for Vikings stadium in Arden Hil

    Quote Originally Posted by "dfosterf" #1088733
    What about a pitch from the Vikings geared towards the individual counties instead of the State?

    Wouldn't that create a bit of a dynamic of competition within the State, possibly playing one county off another? Perhaps the "pitch" would include state funding as well as a county-type tax and concessions, regardless of what counties were actually interested in having the team situated within their confines.
    They tried that once already between the Blaine and current dome sites and it set them back for years.

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    Re: Proposal advances for Vikings stadium in Arden Hil

    Slot machines in the bars. 50% tax. Revenue goes to build new stadium until paid for. After that, into the general fund.

    How about that one?

    It would be a proposition that encompasses both the stadium issue and gambling. You already have all those native American casinos that you derive little from...

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    Re: Proposal advances for Vikings stadium in Arden Hil

    Quote Originally Posted by "dfosterf" #1088737
    Slot machines in the bars. 50% tax. Revenue goes to build new stadium until paid for. After that, into the general fund.

    How about that one?

    It would be a proposition that encompasses both the stadium issue and gambling. You already have all those native American casinos that you derive little from...
    Sounds easy right? But for some reason they don't do it.

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    Re: Proposal advances for Vikings stadium in Arden Hil

    Quote Originally Posted by "dfosterf" #1088737
    Slot machines in the bars. 50% tax. Revenue goes to build new stadium until paid for. After that, into the general fund.

    How about that one?

    It would be a proposition that encompasses both the stadium issue and gambling. You already have all those native American casinos that you derive little from...
    Funny.

    I have had the opportunity to talk to my state Rep a few times a year and one of my suggestions to him was to build the stadium with a video poker screen in every seat so that the fans could spend their time gambling and paying for the stadium while the KAO was on the field and they had nothing better to do.:laugh:

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