07-06-2012, 08:16 PM #21
I think 3000 yards is a magic number for a QB. If you can get pass that 3000 yard mark, you are having an ok season. Anything less than 3000 yards is a bad season.
Also I never said he was going to have a disaster of a season, I said he would be plagued by injuries and will miss games or be knocked out of others.
07-06-2012, 09:44 PM #22
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07-07-2012, 02:04 AM #23
You are trying to compare a rushing QB like Vick's passing figures? In his 2nd season Vick threw for 2900 yds AND rushed for 777.
You aren't going to get a rushing QB (not a mobile QB) to throw for 5000 yards and rush for 750. It doesn't work like that. Some of the rushing yards and attempts take yards and attempts away from the passing game. It would be better to combine those yards and take away approx 200 (average for a modern QB) for a complete picture.
Notice as his rushing attempts have gone down the passing numbers have gone up. What this has to do with Ponder, I don't know but I feel like arguing.
07-07-2012, 08:32 AM #24
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You aren't going to get a rushing QB (not a mobile QB) to throw for 5000 yards and rush for 750. It doesn't work like that. Some of the rushing yards and attempts take yards and attempts away from the passing game. It would be better to combine those yards and take away approx 200 (average for a modern QB) for a complete picture. /QUOTE]
Ah, right. Rushing QB's can't have impressive passing stats AND rushing stats:
2002: 3853 pass yards, 609 rush yards.
2004: 4717 pass yards, 406 rush yards.
League MVP discussion is a joke. All it means is you stood out. The reason Vick stood out is because he had a piss-poor career statwise as a QP, and came back under special circumstances to have a decent season. Not even great, but decent.
Point is, prior to going to Jail, he hasn't had a GOOD season as a QB. Last I checked, that's what he is, a QB. We don't have enough talent on this team that will allow Vick to take us to a superbowl. I'd still rather ride it out with Ponder and see what we have than go all-in for Vick and wind up with mid-round draft picks at best.
07-07-2012, 11:10 AM #25
07-07-2012, 11:17 AM #26
But we aren't talking about coaches here, we are talking about fans who are calling players busts or nothing more than a viable back up after watching them play a handful of starts/regular season playing time. Fans who didn't watch those OTA's, those minicamps, those practices & at most watched a session or two of training camp practices.
What we have here is some fans claiming one player to be a bust/back up after a small body of evidence, but claiming another player with similar play to need more time to evaluate, even though they saw a larger body of evidence.
Yes, if we saw multiple back to back starts by Webb, we would have a larger body of evidence to judge him. But he isn't going to get multiple back to back starts. If and when the time comes that he does get to start more often, I reserve the option to reevaluate my opinion of him.
Ponder is going to see more starts - therefore the jury is still out on him IMHO.
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07-17-2012, 12:30 PM #27
I for one loved what I saw with the exception of a few throws especially when you watched for other attributes like pocket awareness, getting rattled etc.
I wonder what it would have been like if they would have just started him last year instead of wasting practice reps on D-nabb.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
07-17-2012, 12:36 PM #28
I kindof think he will make it through the whole season.
Most of the time last year he seemed to hold it way to long and assumption on my part is that was because he had only one target and that target didn't always get open which resulted in him taking hits he really shouldn't have had to.
Granted, the OL will be better, but it will still be a work in progress, but I think wat will really help is (assumption on my part) Musgrove will move back to the use of more traditional player packages that will allow Ponder to have more options to throw to.
That alone will help him when it comes to being able to stay healthy.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
07-17-2012, 12:41 PM #29
Even though I agree that it is way to soon to judge Webb, it is painfully obvious that young Webb is a runner rather than a thrower.
Besides, he was projected to be a WR at the next level. Not alot of us would say that was to far off of a projection. The only ones that would disagree with that are the ones that are convinced that just because he won a game or two with his feet he is now a true QB the organization should bank the future (and practice time) on.
Webb, will be a good backup QB who can squeak a win or two out for you if needed, but he wouldn't last a full year the way he plays either.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.