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    Re: Ponder hosts workout; gives playbook to vets

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    Here is the list through a day and a half of practices: Receivers Greg Camarillo and Emmanuel Arceneaux, tight end Kyle Rudolph, quarterbacks Joe Webb and Rhett Bomar, center Brandon Fusco and safety Mistral Raymond.


    Wow. Star-studded lineup there. Waste of time really is what that is.
    Wouldn't say it was a waste of time, more likely that Ponder Rudolph and Fusco will be part of the team nucleus moving forward so they will definitely gain from the time together.
    barely. Ponder and Rudolph, yes. Fusco will be helpful to have there, IF they play him at center this year.

    otherwise, might as well have just called up his buddies and said "come by my house, we'll run some routes and shit"

    don't have to rent out the facility for three people.

    The rest of them really contribute nothing. Cool that they're working out a bit, but this is nothing more than tossing the ball with your friends, when you get 5th and 6th string receivers showing up.
    At the very least it is helping the young QBs get familiar with the offense. If we are lucky, maybe one of those receivers will be taking over for Berrian this season.

    I don't see it as a waste of time. In fact, this workout is very telling. It just goes to show you that the veteran leadership on this team is much weaker than we would like. If Tom Brady can get 40 players to show up why can't the Vikings get 10? This team is still a mess, but at least it seems we have a QB that gives a damn now.
    I'd say it's more of a simple matter of, if Tom Brady tells you to jump, you ask how high. If Christian Ponder asks you to fly to Florida to work out, you might just have different plans.

    The telling thing was there was only supposed to be 11 people showing up, four of which never made the trip (A kinda key four I'd say). They evidently don't care a whole heck of alot.

    hell, McKinnie lives in Florida, don't see him there. I'm sure others do as well.
    Clearly Brady commands more respect than a rookie QB. I'm more disappointed in our veteran "leaders."

    Why hasn't anybody else tried to organize workouts? Why hasn't a bigger name stepped up to support Ponder? I fear that Favre's selfishness during the offseason has rubbed off on a lot of our established vets and they have some sense of entitlement.

    I have a lot of respect for Ponder after what he's attempted to do. On the flip side, I'm disturbed by the lack of interest from the rest of the team, especially those that are supposed to be strong locker room guys. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see the Vikings breaking .500 this year unless Frazier and Co. changes the culture of this club quickly.
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    Re: Ponder hosts workout; gives playbook to vets

    Quote Originally Posted by "jkjuggalo" #1098399
    I have a lot of respect for Ponder after what he's attempted to do. On the flip side, I'm disturbed by the lack of interest from the rest of the team, especially those that are supposed to be strong locker room guys. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see the Vikings breaking .500 this year unless Frazier and Co. changes the culture of this club quickly.
    Rather pathetic that guys who said they would be there did not show up.

    Ponder is here to stay. They need to realize that and get with "the" program, such as it is.

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    Re: Ponder hosts workout; gives playbook to vets

    Quote Originally Posted by "AngloVike" #1098393
    Shank not turning doesn't surprise me as he clearly feels he's the only TE on the team and therefore indispensable, so why the need to get used to the QB? more a casze of the QB getting used to him. Berrian is working up to his annual injury and so doesn't want to peak too early hence the no-show. Rice has probably been told to nothing physical in case he hurts himself and thereby takes himself out of the FA spend spend spend that will follow a CBA resolution. Only one I'm surprised at is Harvin as I expected better from him, still he's an NFL vet and therefore doesn't need to work with rookies :P
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    Re: Ponder hosts workout; gives playbook to vets

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1098397
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    Here is the list through a day and a half of practices: Receivers Greg Camarillo and Emmanuel Arceneaux, tight end Kyle Rudolph, quarterbacks Joe Webb and Rhett Bomar, center Brandon Fusco and safety Mistral Raymond.


    Wow. Star-studded lineup there. Waste of time really is what that is.
    Wouldn't say it was a waste of time, more likely that Ponder Rudolph and Fusco will be part of the team nucleus moving forward so they will definitely gain from the time together.
    barely. Ponder and Rudolph, yes. Fusco will be helpful to have there, IF they play him at center this year.

    otherwise, might as well have just called up his buddies and said "come by my house, we'll run some routes and shit"

    don't have to rent out the facility for three people.

    The rest of them really contribute nothing. Cool that they're working out a bit, but this is nothing more than tossing the ball with your friends, when you get 5th and 6th string receivers showing up.
    At the very least it is helping the young QBs get familiar with the offense. If we are lucky, maybe one of those receivers will be taking over for Berrian this season.

    I don't see it as a waste of time. In fact, this workout is very telling. It just goes to show you that the veteran leadership on this team is much weaker than we would like. If Tom Brady can get 40 players to show up why can't the Vikings get 10? This team is still a mess, but at least it seems we have a QB that gives a damn now.
    I'd say it's more of a simple matter of, if Tom Brady tells you to jump, you ask how high. If Christian Ponder asks you to fly to Florida to work out, you might just have different plans.

    The telling thing was there was only supposed to be 11 people showing up, four of which never made the trip (A kinda key four I'd say). They evidently don't care a whole heck of alot.

    hell, McKinnie lives in Florida, don't see him there. I'm sure others do as well.
    well given the difference currently between Brady and Ponder in terms of playing time and profile then I'm not surprised that Brady gets more people to his organised workouts. One thing is does show is the attitude of certain team members as to how much that they want to do in order to help the team this year.
    Let's not mention McKinnie, he couldn't even keep his fat arse in shape during his rookie holdout so don't expect him to do that given that he's a veteran.

    Despite the apparent lack of interest I still give huge props to Ponder for at least making an effort to get some things started. If he didn't do then he'd be in trouble with some fans for not taking a lead - he does and not many other Vikes show and so then people use that as a stick to beat him with... poor bugger can't win either way.
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    Re: Ponder hosts workout; gives playbook to vets

    Quote Originally Posted by "AngloVike" #1098412
    he does and not many other Vikes show and so then people use that as a stick to beat him with... poor bugger can't win either way.
    Not really beating him, but he's learning the hard way, you can't walk in on day one and command the respect. Part of why we need this lockout to be over, or get a Vet. Ponder doesn't have ANY chemistry with his teammates. They can't even be bothered to show up for his workouts.

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    Re: Ponder hosts workout; gives playbook to vets

    Click HERE to wathc a video of rookie QB Christian Ponder talk about leading Vikings players through offseason workouts and to see some actual footage of the practice.

    I like Chrisitan Ponder's approach to everything. In the mix of all this talk about talented QB's drafted high, but failing in the pro's because of insufficient mentality. I feel that Ponder got the right mindset to succeed.

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    Re: Ponder hosts workout; gives playbook to vets

    Quote Originally Posted by "Zeus" #1098402
    Quote Originally Posted by "jkjuggalo" #1098399
    I have a lot of respect for Ponder after what he's attempted to do. On the flip side, I'm disturbed by the lack of interest from the rest of the team, especially those that are supposed to be strong locker room guys. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see the Vikings breaking .500 this year unless Frazier and Co. changes the culture of this club quickly.
    Rather pathetic that guys who said they would be there did not show up.

    Ponder is here to stay. They need to realize that and get with "the" program, such as it is.

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    It would appear the Vikings ship has no rudder. However, I'm not so sure there isn't a little more to the story.

    Originally the workout was going to simply be a passing camp at a facility like FSU and informally run by the players.

    Instead it became a formal type workout run by IMG. This includes passing drills and classroom time directed by Wienke, and professional trainer directed intense, go until you puke, type physical conditioning.

    Your not going to see 40 players at a passing camp. In addition, the vets have their own conditioning programs and trainers for the off season,in many cases.

    I'm pretty certain the vets feel they have little to gain and a lot to lose.

    Rice doesn't need a copy of the playbook until after free agency anyway.

    This is just one more example that underscores how professional football is all about the money for so many of these guys.

    Wealthy owners. Rich players. Neglected fans.

    Hopefully they will settle the labor dispute and the team will find a rudder, or it will be some rough sailing.
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    Re: Ponder hosts workout; gives playbook to vets

    Our team sucked last year. Nobody shows up to try to get better with the new QB. Very disappointing.

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    Re: Ponder hosts workout; gives playbook to vets

    How does a rookie QB, who supposedly made no money playing football in college & has yet to sign an NFL contract, afford to pay for Weineke & use of the facility?

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    Re: Ponder hosts workout; gives playbook to vets

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1098397
    The telling thing was there was only supposed to be 11 people showing up, four of which never made the trip (A kinda key four I'd say). They evidently don't care a whole heck of alot.

    hell, McKinnie lives in Florida, don't see him there. I'm sure others do as well.
    And two of those that were supposed to show & did, weren't even Vikings.

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