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    Ponder and his two snaps


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    Hey we still don't know what we have with the guy starting, inparticular his chemistry with the new targets, but lets move on and see what we have with the backups. Yep makes sense to me. Who cares what MBT and Vandenberg can do when neither are going to see the field anytime soon? Especially when the first guy needs all the work he can get.

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    Ponder and his two snaps

    Or this really is a competition and that talk about saying it was not is just smoke and mirrors. I sure hope so.

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    Anatomy Of A Turnover: The Story Of Christian Ponder And Shiloh Keo

    A perfect move from a nose tackle on a great center. An inaccurate (and forced) throw to an X receiver. A missed hot read in the face of an undetected blitz. A dropping linebacker who almost missed his assignment. A wide open Z receiver that never gets so much as a glance. These are the misunderstood and unseen moments that make up every paragraph in the story of football. I will admit that this is about as small a sample size as you can possibly get this early into the season, but if Christian Ponder wants his own personal chapter to continue much longer, he needs to become a better writer - the sooner, the better.
    Anatomy Of A Turnover: The Story Of Christian Ponder And Shiloh Keo - Battle Red Blog
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    Here the ball has already been thrown and the defense has already reacted. You can see the ball placement relative to where Simpson is during the end of his route. It's a little high, and Simpson is straining to reach the ball with only 1 arm. That could be because he slowed down his route and is not exactly where Ponder expected him to be, or it could be because Ponder had poor ball placement on the throw. As a casual outside observer, it is impossible for any of us not involved in the play to know which one of these two reasons it is (and IMO it's actually a little bit of both). Regardless though, I don't blame Ponder for the read at the very least. It was an ok read in this situation, especially with a blitzer in his face coming totally free. Had the ball been placed better, or had Simpson come out of his break better, or had the ball been caught, Simpson would have easily made it to at least the 30 yard line before being touched by a defender

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    That could be because he slowed down his route and is not exactly where Ponder expected him to be, or it could be because Ponder had poor ball placement on the throw. As a casual outside observer, it is impossible for any of us not involved in the play to know which one of these two reasons it is (and IMO it's actually a little bit of both).
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    Nice article in breaking down the play with screenshots to show the process an offense goes through on a given play. Note that the author (a fan...vikings fan that is, not so much a Ponder fan) blames Sullivan as much as anyone on the play for failing to pick up the MLB.

    Actually a really good breakdown.

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    Can't wait till Ponder is no longer our starter.
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    Anatomy Of A Turnover: The Story Of Christian Ponder And Shiloh Keo - Battle Red Blog

    Nice article in breaking down the play with screenshots & diagrams.


    Even if Simpson slowed on his route, the ball is still too high.

    At the end of the day it was only one pass. Both of these authors must have too much time on their hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singersp View Post


    Anatomy Of A Turnover: The Story Of Christian Ponder And Shiloh Keo - Battle Red Blog

    Nice article in breaking down the play with screenshots & diagrams.


    Even if Simpson slowed on his route, the ball is still too high.

    At the end of the day it was only one pass. Both of these authors must have too much time on their hands.
    I guess when there are only two plays of your starters to look at and nothing to fill your football fix, time is a plenty to dissect to death.

    My thoughts on this play after reading through all these posts and listening to Musgrave's explanation are:
    -Poor protection led to a hurried throw
    -Ponder made a decent read, but overthrew his intended target making it hard for Simpson to make a play
    -Simpson is not the type of receiver who can bail out a QB, but Ponder knew this when he threw the ball in his direction

    On a positve note, at least for me. Musgrave was calling plays that we were least effective with last year (mid-range) passes. Hopefully they continue to emphasize this phase of the game. 2 plays does not a trend make, but they were both mid-range passes. Cassell also was targeting a lot of mid-range receivers.

    Also, whether Ponder or Cassell is behind center, the offense doesn't change. Last year that was not the case. We had to call a whole new game when Webb was under center.

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