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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

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    I have said the vikings could easily move and everyone laughs at the suggetion. I dont think its that far fetched.

    "C" wrote:
    This has failure written all over it. Not sure of anyone who will lobby taxpayers for $700M in the current economic climate.

    I think the possibility of the Vikings moving grows ever more realistic.
    It's not an impossible theory, but there are other teams in the NFL with far worse situations than the Vikings.
    I'm not sure I can think of many teams that have poured as much money into a team like the Wilfs, rebuilt the team structure, have made the playoffs, invested more into the team and are near or at the bottom of the list in revenue.

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    KFAN is reporting that the Vikings will make a "significant" business announcement today at 1145.
    I have to assume it has something to do with the stadium effort.
    "We'll be using Mayflower to move to LA"
    lol.
    bite your tounge.

    Actually, I think that the significant announcement is going to be either a partnership agreement with a local corporation on naming rights, or an actual fiscal plan that they are laying out.
    Considering that they are giving a presentation I would assume they will be releasing their stadium plan.

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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    "vikinggreg" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "green" wrote:
    I have said the vikings could easily move and everyone laughs at the suggetion. I dont think its that far fetched.

    "C" wrote:
    This has failure written all over it. Not sure of anyone who will lobby taxpayers for $700M in the current economic climate.

    I think the possibility of the Vikings moving grows ever more realistic.
    It's not an impossible theory, but there are other teams in the NFL with far worse situations than the Vikings.
    I'm not sure I can think of many teams that have poured as much money into a team like the Wilfs, rebuilt the team structure, have made the playoffs, invested more into the team and are near or at the bottom of the list in revenue.
    Big props to a fantastic ownership group.
    That is unless they decide to move the team that has graced generations since 1961.

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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "vikinggreg" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "green" wrote:
    I have said the vikings could easily move and everyone laughs at the suggetion. I dont think its that far fetched.

    "C" wrote:
    This has failure written all over it. Not sure of anyone who will lobby taxpayers for $700M in the current economic climate.

    I think the possibility of the Vikings moving grows ever more realistic.
    It's not an impossible theory, but there are other teams in the NFL with far worse situations than the Vikings.
    I'm not sure I can think of many teams that have poured as much money into a team like the Wilfs, rebuilt the team structure, have made the playoffs, invested more into the team and are near or at the bottom of the list in revenue.
    Big props to a fantastic ownership group.
    That is unless they decide to move the team that has graced generations since 1961.
    How could you blame them though? They have to be losing money from these, overall. With the way Wilf keeps asking for more money...

    And we're talking about MILLIONS of dollars. If this were my team, and the stadium got vetoed, I'd look for a place that COULD make me money.
    Trying to bring rationale to an irrational site

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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    "Braddock" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "vikinggreg" wrote:
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    "green" wrote:
    I have said the vikings could easily move and everyone laughs at the suggetion. I dont think its that far fetched.

    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=53476.msg1001635#msg1001635 date=1254405090]
    This has failure written all over it. Not sure of anyone who will lobby taxpayers for $700M in the current economic climate.

    I think the possibility of the Vikings moving grows ever more realistic.
    It's not an impossible theory, but there are other teams in the NFL with far worse situations than the Vikings.
    I'm not sure I can think of many teams that have poured as much money into a team like the Wilfs, rebuilt the team structure, have made the playoffs, invested more into the team and are near or at the bottom of the list in revenue.
    Big props to a fantastic ownership group.
    That is unless they decide to move the team that has graced generations since 1961.
    How could you blame them though? They have to be losing money from these, overall. With the way Wilf keeps asking for more money...

    And we're talking about MILLIONS of dollars. If this were my team, and the stadium got vetoed, I'd look for a place that COULD make me money.
    [/quote]

    I understand it's a business, and from an unbiased perspective it's tough to blame them.
    I just hope that the 'fan' inside Wilf makes him further understand the significance of keeping a team local, and near the hearts of the people who have truly made it what it is today, almost 50 years in the making.

    Move the Jags...they've only been around for a handful of years and have no fan support what soever. If the NFL has any say, which I'm sure they do they should be pushing JAX, not MIN.

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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    "Braddock" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "vikinggreg" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "green" wrote:
    I have said the vikings could easily move and everyone laughs at the suggetion. I dont think its that far fetched.

    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=53476.msg1001635#msg1001635 date=1254405090]
    This has failure written all over it. Not sure of anyone who will lobby taxpayers for $700M in the current economic climate.

    I think the possibility of the Vikings moving grows ever more realistic.
    It's not an impossible theory, but there are other teams in the NFL with far worse situations than the Vikings.
    I'm not sure I can think of many teams that have poured as much money into a team like the Wilfs, rebuilt the team structure, have made the playoffs, invested more into the team and are near or at the bottom of the list in revenue.
    Big props to a fantastic ownership group.
    That is unless they decide to move the team that has graced generations since 1961.
    How could you blame them though? They have to be losing money from these, overall. With the way Wilf keeps asking for more money...

    And we're talking about MILLIONS of dollars. If this were my team, and the stadium got vetoed, I'd look for a place that COULD make me money.
    [/quote]
    They have made money the last couple years, not huge money but money. Unless you look at the appreciation of the team it's self, that has went up some 250million in the 3 years Wilf has owned it(thats huge money). Not saying LA(or another town) might not be a whole lot more profitable but let's not pretend like Wilf is losing money on the Vikings.

    The big problem with the state funding is that we don't have any money.

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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

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    "Braddock" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "vikinggreg" wrote:
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    [quote author=green hornet link=topic=53476.msg1001667#msg1001667 date=1254411988]
    I have said the vikings could easily move and everyone laughs at the suggetion. I dont think its that far fetched.

    [quote author=C Mac D link=topic=53476.msg1001635#msg1001635 date=1254405090]
    This has failure written all over it. Not sure of anyone who will lobby taxpayers for $700M in the current economic climate.

    I think the possibility of the Vikings moving grows ever more realistic.
    It's not an impossible theory, but there are other teams in the NFL with far worse situations than the Vikings.
    I'm not sure I can think of many teams that have poured as much money into a team like the Wilfs, rebuilt the team structure, have made the playoffs, invested more into the team and are near or at the bottom of the list in revenue.
    Big props to a fantastic ownership group.
    That is unless they decide to move the team that has graced generations since 1961.
    How could you blame them though? They have to be losing money from these, overall. With the way Wilf keeps asking for more money...

    And we're talking about MILLIONS of dollars. If this were my team, and the stadium got vetoed, I'd look for a place that COULD make me money.
    [/quote]
    They have made money the last couple years, not huge money but money. Unless you look at the appreciation of the team it's self, that has went up some 250million in the 3 years Wilf has owned it(thats huge money). Not saying LA(or another town) might not be a whole lot more profitable but let's not pretend like Wilf is losing money on the Vikings.

    The big problem with the state funding is that we don't have any money.
    [/quote]

    They had to make capital calls twice since Wilf acquired the team.
    That means that they are losing money, not making it...


    I agree with your last sentance though.
    Which is why I don't propose asking the state for a single dollar that they haven't already made or will make off from the Vikings in the next 20 years.

    The state has already made $129 million in tax dollars DIRECTLY attributed to the Vikings.
    They stand to make a minimum of $200 million more in the next 20 years (very conservative estimate that assumes that the salary cap doesn't rise in the next 20 years.
    It will almost certainly go up).
    IMHO, I don't see why the state can't contribute at least $300 million to the stadium when they stand to make at least that much back.
    That is basically getting the intangibles of an NFL team for free.
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    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    "vikinggreg" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "green" wrote:
    I have said the vikings could easily move and everyone laughs at the suggetion. I dont think its that far fetched.

    "C" wrote:
    This has failure written all over it. Not sure of anyone who will lobby taxpayers for $700M in the current economic climate.

    I think the possibility of the Vikings moving grows ever more realistic.
    It's not an impossible theory, but there are other teams in the NFL with far worse situations than the Vikings.
    I'm not sure I can think of many teams that have poured as much money into a team like the Wilfs, rebuilt the team structure, have made the playoffs, invested more into the team and are near or at the bottom of the list in revenue.
    Didn't we make it to the playoffs with Red McCombs as our owner?

    Weren't we more successful in the playoffs under Red McCombs?

    Just saying.
    Disclaimer: I'm an idiot.

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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    Looks like the major announcement will be that the Vikings have signed a business agreement with the Mall of America.
    The new Vikings stadium will be called Mall of America Field.
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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    The new Vikings backdrop during the press conference says "Mall Of America Field" on it.
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

    =Z=

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