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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    Maybe Minnesota can pass a law that prevents the Vikings from moving to LA.


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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
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    "ItalianStallion" wrote:
    [quote author=jmcdon00 link=topic=53476.msg1001884#msg1001884 date=1254449632]
    [quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=53476.msg1001878#msg1001878 date=1254446454]
    Anyone know how the Twins got a stadium before the Vikings?
    Is baseball bigger in Minnesota than football?
    The vikings got the metrodome 27years before the twins got a stadium.
    I believe the Twins got the metrodome to didn't they?
    They did.
    It was designed to accommodate both teams.
    However it was a pretty poor venue to watch baseball in - at least when comparing to other modern MLB stadiums.
    i think it was designed as afootball stadium. if it were a baseball stadium the seAts would have faced homeplate.
    It was designed as multi use.
    The Twins were always slated to play there, even from its inception.
    Football had better sight lines, but that doesn't change the fact that it was designed with both football and baseball in mind.
    [/quote]

    this, all the proof you need, is look at it during a baseball game, looks an awful lot like a baseball field to me.
    Baseball field can NOT fit in football fields no matter how you try and force it, The dome was obviously designed to accomodate baseball, as seats will roll-out over the outfield for football
    [/quote]

    They had a program on the radio today about the history of the dome. It was built as a dual purpose but was more strongly designed towards the vikings and not as well suited to the Twins. It worked for baseball but not very well. Calvin Griffith knew he didn't have the revenue to build a stadium by itself so he took what he could get, which was the dome.

    Also remember that the Vikings played at the Met from 61 to 82 and that was a baseball stadium that didn't accommodate football as well as the Vikings would have liked, which really was the drive behind the dome.

    In the end they built it on time and under budget and it was fairly efficient o operate but no team that played there liked it. Now we will have 3 stadiums for each entity and all 3 teams will end up happier but they will require subsidies that the dome never did.

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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    [quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=53476.msg1002095#msg1002095 date=1254506327]
    [quote author=jmcdon00 link=topic=53476.msg1001884#msg1001884 date=1254449632]
    [quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=53476.msg1001878#msg1001878 date=1254446454]
    Anyone know how the Twins got a stadium before the Vikings?
    Is baseball bigger in Minnesota than football?
    The vikings got the metrodome 27years before the twins got a stadium.
    I believe the Twins got the metrodome to didn't they?
    They did.
    It was designed to accommodate both teams.
    However it was a pretty poor venue to watch baseball in - at least when comparing to other modern MLB stadiums.
    i think it was designed as afootball stadium. if it were a baseball stadium the seAts would have faced homeplate.
    It was designed as multi use.
    The Twins were always slated to play there, even from its inception.
    Football had better sight lines, but that doesn't change the fact that it was designed with both football and baseball in mind.
    [/quote]

    this, all the proof you need, is look at it during a baseball game, looks an awful lot like a baseball field to me.
    Baseball field can NOT fit in football fields no matter how you try and force it, The dome was obviously designed to accomodate baseball, as seats will roll-out over the outfield for football
    [/quote]

    They had a program on the radio today about the history of the dome. It was built as a dual purpose but was more strongly designed towards the vikings and not as well suited to the Twins. It worked for baseball but not very well. Calvin Griffith knew he didn't have the revenue to build a stadium by itself so he took what he could get, which was the dome.

    Also remember that the Vikings played at the Met from 61 to 82 and that was a baseball stadium that didn't accommodate football as well as the Vikings would have liked, which really was the drive behind the dome.

    In the end they built it on time and under budget and it was fairly efficient o operate but no team that played there liked it. Now we will have 3 stadiums for each entity and all 3 teams will end up happier but they will require subsidies that the dome never did.
    [/quote]

    And I think that is/was a HUGE mistake.
    Red was an asshat for making enemies instead of friends, and not working jointly with the UofM on a stadium.
    The state was a bunch of asshats for not recognizing that Red was temporary at best, and designing TCF Stadium so that it would be servicable to a NFL team.
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    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    [quote author=BloodyHorns82 link=topic=53476.msg1002099#msg1002099 date=1254507996]
    [quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=53476.msg1002095#msg1002095 date=1254506327]
    [quote author=jmcdon00 link=topic=53476.msg1001884#msg1001884 date=1254449632]
    [quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=53476.msg1001878#msg1001878 date=1254446454]
    Anyone know how the Twins got a stadium before the Vikings?
    Is baseball bigger in Minnesota than football?
    The vikings got the metrodome 27years before the twins got a stadium.
    I believe the Twins got the metrodome to didn't they?
    They did.
    It was designed to accommodate both teams.
    However it was a pretty poor venue to watch baseball in - at least when comparing to other modern MLB stadiums.
    i think it was designed as afootball stadium. if it were a baseball stadium the seAts would have faced homeplate.
    It was designed as multi use.
    The Twins were always slated to play there, even from its inception.
    Football had better sight lines, but that doesn't change the fact that it was designed with both football and baseball in mind.
    [/quote]

    this, all the proof you need, is look at it during a baseball game, looks an awful lot like a baseball field to me.
    Baseball field can NOT fit in football fields no matter how you try and force it, The dome was obviously designed to accomodate baseball, as seats will roll-out over the outfield for football
    [/quote]

    They had a program on the radio today about the history of the dome. It was built as a dual purpose but was more strongly designed towards the vikings and not as well suited to the Twins. It worked for baseball but not very well. Calvin Griffith knew he didn't have the revenue to build a stadium by itself so he took what he could get, which was the dome.

    Also remember that the Vikings played at the Met from 61 to 82 and that was a baseball stadium that didn't accommodate football as well as the Vikings would have liked, which really was the drive behind the dome.

    In the end they built it on time and under budget and it was fairly efficient o operate but no team that played there liked it. Now we will have 3 stadiums for each entity and all 3 teams will end up happier but they will require subsidies that the dome never did.
    [/quote]

    And I think that is/was a HUGE mistake.
    Red was an asshat for making enemies instead of friends, and not working jointly with the UofM on a stadium.
    The state was a bunch of asshats for not recognizing that Red was temporary at best, and designing TCF Stadium so that it would be servicable to a NFL team.
    [/quote]

    I don't think they were as much asshats as that they were just living up to the lease. When he made his push there was still an extended amount of time left on the lease the Vikings signed. In contrast the Twins had a much shorter lease and actually played in the dome long after the original lease expired. I can't blame the state for making the Vikings fulfill that obligation, but unfortunately that premature move by Red IMO did
    damage the relationship and made it so there was no plan in place to have a Vikings stadium ready when their lease did expire. Sometimes politics and policy are inconvenient but in many ways they are necessary.

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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    [quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=53476.msg1002095#msg1002095 date=1254506327]
    [quote author=jmcdon00 link=topic=53476.msg1001884#msg1001884 date=1254449632]
    [quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=53476.msg1001878#msg1001878 date=1254446454]
    Anyone know how the Twins got a stadium before the Vikings?
    Is baseball bigger in Minnesota than football?
    The vikings got the metrodome 27years before the twins got a stadium.
    I believe the Twins got the metrodome to didn't they?
    They did.
    It was designed to accommodate both teams.
    However it was a pretty poor venue to watch baseball in - at least when comparing to other modern MLB stadiums.
    i think it was designed as afootball stadium. if it were a baseball stadium the seAts would have faced homeplate.
    It was designed as multi use.
    The Twins were always slated to play there, even from its inception.
    Football had better sight lines, but that doesn't change the fact that it was designed with both football and baseball in mind.
    [/quote]

    this, all the proof you need, is look at it during a baseball game, looks an awful lot like a baseball field to me.
    Baseball field can NOT fit in football fields no matter how you try and force it, The dome was obviously designed to accomodate baseball, as seats will roll-out over the outfield for football
    [/quote]

    They had a program on the radio today about the history of the dome. It was built as a dual purpose but was more strongly designed towards the vikings and not as well suited to the Twins. It worked for baseball but not very well. Calvin Griffith knew he didn't have the revenue to build a stadium by itself so he took what he could get, which was the dome.

    Also remember that the Vikings played at the Met from 61 to 82 and that was a baseball stadium that didn't accommodate football as well as the Vikings would have liked, which really was the drive behind the dome.

    In the end they built it on time and under budget and it was fairly efficient o operate but no team that played there liked it. Now we will have 3 stadiums for each entity and all 3 teams will end up happier but they will require subsidies that the dome never did.
    [/quote]

    that remains to be seen.

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    Fuck I cant wait til we get our stadium

    How the fuck can we pull it off tho?

    Gophs new stadium.. Twins new stadium.. T-Wolve new stadium

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    Fuck I cant wait til we get our stadium

    How the fuck can we pull it off tho?

    Gophs new stadium.. Twins new stadium.. T-Wolve new stadium
    Target Center is nearly 20 years old.
    Xcel energy center is almost 10 years old.
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    "STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES" wrote:
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    Fuck I cant wait til we get our stadium

    How the fuck can we pull it off tho?

    Gophs new stadium.. Twins new stadium.. T-Wolve new stadium
    Target Center is nearly 20 years old.
    Xcel energy center is almost 10 years old.

    Damn why did I think the twolves got a new one?

    Well 2 new ones in 3 years I guess


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    Re: This in From Pioneer Press...UHOH!

    "V4L" wrote:
    "STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES" wrote:
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    Fuck I cant wait til we get our stadium

    How the fuck can we pull it off tho?

    Gophs new stadium.. Twins new stadium.. T-Wolve new stadium
    Target Center is nearly 20 years old.
    Xcel energy center is almost 10 years old.

    Damn why did I think the twolves got a new one?

    Well 2 new ones in 3 years I guess

    Yeah ... the XCel is 10 years old, but is still fairly new. And the Target Center is still younger that the HHH.
    Of course, basektball/hockey arenas are MUCH cheaper to build than baseball or football stadiums.
    Target Stadium for example is costing in excess of $522 million to build (that is more than Target and Xcel COMBINED) ... and of course it looks likes the Vikings new venture will cost a MINIMUM of $700 million.
    That is a much bigger deal than the money for the hockey/basketball arenas and Gopher Stadium ($288 million).
    Just for a rundown that is:
    Target Center: $104 million
    Xcel Energy Center: $130 million
    TCF Bank Stadium: $288.5 million
    Target Field: $522 million
    ESTIMATED Vikings cost: $700 million+

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    Maybe Minnesota can pass a law that prevents the Vikings from moving to LA.

    We need a bailout! Socialized Vikings.

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