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    Re: Pick 6 on Jackson

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1105199
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1105174
    Quote Originally Posted by "Tad7" #1105169
    Exactly like the old days

    Golden Tate = Troy Williamson
    Yep ... Exactly like the old days.

    Excuses after excuses.
    Yep ... Exactly like the old days.

    Double standards.

    Tell me again how tipped passes were the fault of the receivers & not Favre's.
    You need to get your eyes checked and learn how to throw a pass with each route.

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    Re: Pick 6 on Jackson

    Quote Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1105205
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1105203
    Quote Originally Posted by "vikinggreg" #1105182
    Vikings greet Tarvaris Jackson with a pick six

    The ball bounced off the hands of receiver Golden Tate, but the pass looked to be thrown behind Tate, forcing him to stop and reach back for it. (Tate still should have caught it.)
    High and late over the middle is trouble
    It didn't look high or late. It should have been an easy catch.

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011082055/2011/PRE2/vikings@seahawks#tab:watch

    After clicking the link, click "Can't-Miss Play: Sherels' 64-yard pickoff return"
    Uh did you watch it? He was running to the left, pivoted and tarvaris threw it behind him. Shoulda been a catch be it wasn't a good throw at all.
    Not really sure what he is watching. I bet if it was Favre he would blame him.

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    Re: Pick 6 on Jackson

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1105232
    Quote Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1105230
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    You don't know if he was supposed to turn & catch it or not. Your just assuming he wasn't. He turned around & the ball was there. He wasn't reaching way to his right to catch it.
    Nope. He was reaching way to his left to catch it. I don't know what he was "supposed" to do, but that wasn't a good throw. We can't bring in WR routes and what assignments were missed or whatever because it's all conjecture. What we can see is that the WR was turned around and had to extend behind him, to the left, and while he should have caught it, it wasn't a good throw. Whether that's the fault of the QB or WR or a combination of the both of them, I guess we all have an opinion. Mine is the combination.

    What is clearly evident is that the ball was not high. It was at shoulder height. Still find it funny how some people claim a ball that hits the outstretched hands of a WR and is tipped for a pick is the fault of the WR, yet this is the fault of the QB.
    I never said it was high. And I said it was the fault of both.

    If Favre threw that ball, we all know who'd be blamed.
    I can't speak for everyone else, but for the most part, Favre supporters on here seem a little more reasonable than tjoke supporters. If Favre threw it I would be saying the same thing. but someone on here would be saying "The noodle can't even throw it on target. How the hell is Berrian supposed to catch a ball that's behind him?
    One only needs to revist the tipped balls by Harvin & others which went for picks. Harvin & those receivers, not Favre were chastised for them.

    In 2009 Favre could do no wrong. In 2010 Favre supports were more reasonable only after it was quite evident how bad he was playing.
    Lets revisit it.

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    Re: Pick 6 on Jackson

    aaaaaaaaaand mars is back. Good to see you.
    I am NOT here to provide good football insight or rational observations. I am an emotional 19 year old Viking fan and I expect you to adjust your expectations from my posts.

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    Re: Pick 6 on Jackson

    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1105232
    Quote Originally Posted by "12purplepride28" #1105230
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1105220
    You don't know if he was supposed to turn & catch it or not. Your just assuming he wasn't. He turned around & the ball was there. He wasn't reaching way to his right to catch it.
    Nope. He was reaching way to his left to catch it. I don't know what he was "supposed" to do, but that wasn't a good throw. We can't bring in WR routes and what assignments were missed or whatever because it's all conjecture. What we can see is that the WR was turned around and had to extend behind him, to the left, and while he should have caught it, it wasn't a good throw. Whether that's the fault of the QB or WR or a combination of the both of them, I guess we all have an opinion. Mine is the combination.

    What is clearly evident is that the ball was not high. It was at shoulder height. Still find it funny how some people claim a ball that hits the outstretched hands of a WR and is tipped for a pick is the fault of the WR, yet this is the fault of the QB.
    I never said it was high. And I said it was the fault of both.

    If Favre threw that ball, we all know who'd be blamed.
    I can't speak for everyone else, but for the most part, Favre supporters on here seem a little more reasonable than tjoke supporters. If Favre threw it I would be saying the same thing. but someone on here would be saying "The noodle can't even throw it on target. How the hell is Berrian supposed to catch a ball that's behind him?
    One only needs to revist the tipped balls by Harvin & others which went for picks. Harvin & those receivers, not Favre were chastised for them.

    In 2009 Favre could do no wrong. In 2010 Favre supports were more reasonable only after it was quite evident how bad he was playing.

    No matter how you slice it, that ball was still an easy catch & should have been caught. Even the announcer said it.
    Really? Again???? How many times will you continue to try and compare Jackson and Favre? Even now, when Jackson is no longer a Viking, you rush to his defense and try and prove that Favre fans were unreasonable...all the while being unreasonable.

    Jackson has NEVER played up to expectations - unless you expected him to fail - and Favre is a sure-fire Hall-of-famer. There is NO comparrison between the two.


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    Re: Pick 6 on Jackson

    Quote Originally Posted by "Tad7" #1105169
    Exactly like the old days

    Golden Tate = Troy Williamson
    Golden Tate is pretty much a newbie. Troy is not. They are not comparable yet. Tate is considered a starter as the 3rd WR on the Seahawks so don't act like he is some WR on the bubble.

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    Re: Pick 6 on Jackson

    Just sayin...

    “Charlie Whitehurst should be our starting QB opening day.”
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/21/lawyer-milloy-makes-case-for-charlie-whitehurst/

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    Re: Pick 6 on Jackson

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1105206
    In all honesty until that play I was actually grading TJ's performance higher than that of McChunky. Not that it was outstanding but he did move around pretty good and did make a few plays. But once he threw the pick he reverted back to the guarded TJ that was indecisive and ineffective.
    Wait. What?

    Up until that point you thought TJack was playing better than McNabb? Based on what? Up until that point, the Vikings offense had been on the field for exactly three plays. How can you say that TJack was better when McNabb basically hadn't played.

    Up until that point, McNabb was 1-1 for 9 yards, and TJack was 6-9 for 35 yards. Hardly comparable, but if you want to look at apples to apples, McNabb had a better YPC and completion %. I don't know what else you can look at.

    Personally, I was OK with McNabb's performance on the second drive, but getting frustrated that I have yet to see our starting O score a TD. I was actually impressed with TJack's performance after the pick as well. The next drive (where we stopped them on the 1) was his best drive of the game.

    And as far as the pick, it was a bad throw (and a bad catch). Anyone trying to blame the WR only for the INT is blind. Crimney, that is what happens when a bad QB throws to a bad WR. Seattle is in for a long season.

    Can we get off TJack's junk yet? He isn't even a Viking anymore...
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    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Pick 6 on Jackson

    Quote Originally Posted by "Tad7" #1105169
    Exactly like the old days

    Golden Tate = Troy Williamson
    :unsure: Here come the excuses just like the old days.

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    Re: Pick 6 on Jackson

    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1105183
    Quote Originally Posted by "vikinggreg" #1105182
    Vikings greet Tarvaris Jackson with a pick six

    The ball bounced off the hands of receiver Golden Tate, but the pass looked to be thrown behind Tate, forcing him to stop and reach back for it. (Tate still should have caught it.)
    High and late over the middle is trouble

    The gap in the performances likely wasn’t enough to cause the Seahawks to jerk Jackson around.

    Yet.
    On the bright side for TJack his yards per attempt is up from 2.6 to 3.6 B)

    On the downside for Jackson, fans chanting Charlie may not make him feel welcome in Seattle anymore :P
    I don't know how in the he'll he is going to keep the starting job at this point. The Hawks may not say it, but it has become a competition. He has looked terrible twice while Whitehurst looked pretty good both times.

    He might make it to the first game of the season because Carroll named him starter and might give him that much. But I doubt they wait long to yank him in the regular season.
    Man I hope this happens and then the Vikings can tell Carroll to suck it.

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