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    Re: The Peterson-Taylor combination

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "tastywaves" wrote:
    The Wishbone offense utilizes 3 running backs in the lineup.
    1 fullback, two halfbacks.
    It was common back in earlier college days (Oklahoma probably gave it the most fame back in the 70's, at least my lifespan).
    It is not being used much today outside of small high school's as it basically says we are lining up to run the ball down your throat, try to stop us.
    Good defenses can stop it or minimize it.

    the problem I see with lining both Chester and Adrian up in the backfield is that it will require them to be able to lead block to have any effectiveness.
    That's the fullback's job.
    Just having two great running backs to keep the defense guessing would probably be outweighed by the probability that one of those guys will be getting the ball. Do you really want to see Adrian used as a battering ram to free up lanes for Chester?

    We need to develop a respectable passing game if we want to have a consistent offense.
    Finally, someone with a clue.

    Will we see CT/AD in the backfield at the same time?
    Yes, just about as many times as we did last year which wasn't many.

    The whole concept of the two back attack is that you ROTATE backs in and out to keep them both fresh.
    Putting them both in at the same time defeats that purpose and really doesn't do anything that you can't to with a FB in the back field or an extra WR.

    Seriously, you just don't get that much flexibility.
    Sure you can split AD out and keep AD but if you are gonna threaten with a RB in a passing play why not just but a WR out there that the QB is used to throwing to and a WR who is used to running routes.

    Comeon guys, quit thinking Madden football and think real NFL football.... ;D ;D ;D
    C'mon Marr, quit thinking predictability. It killed our run game last year. With only AD & a FB in the backfield, what are the chances of the play being a run?

    95%? 90%?

    With AD & C-Tay in there together, we become less predictable & it opens up our passing game. With both backs in there, you don't necessarily need to use one to pound a hole for the other.

    Cannot the wishbone also utilize a FB?

    Was this sarcasm? I don't think anything killed our run game last year, we lead the league in yards.
    well to say it killed our Run offence is a stretch.. but it was not as effective once teams put 8-9 poeple in the box and let our WR's run free.

    so yeah we do need to find ways to make D's defend the pass and let our run game mature

    DiGiTaL

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    Re: The Peterson-Taylor combination

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "tastywaves" wrote:
    The Wishbone offense utilizes 3 running backs in the lineup.
    1 fullback, two halfbacks.
    It was common back in earlier college days (Oklahoma probably gave it the most fame back in the 70's, at least my lifespan).
    It is not being used much today outside of small high school's as it basically says we are lining up to run the ball down your throat, try to stop us.
    Good defenses can stop it or minimize it.

    the problem I see with lining both Chester and Adrian up in the backfield is that it will require them to be able to lead block to have any effectiveness.
    That's the fullback's job.
    Just having two great running backs to keep the defense guessing would probably be outweighed by the probability that one of those guys will be getting the ball. Do you really want to see Adrian used as a battering ram to free up lanes for Chester?

    We need to develop a respectable passing game if we want to have a consistent offense.
    Finally, someone with a clue.

    Will we see CT/AD in the backfield at the same time?
    Yes, just about as many times as we did last year which wasn't many.

    The whole concept of the two back attack is that you ROTATE backs in and out to keep them both fresh.
    Putting them both in at the same time defeats that purpose and really doesn't do anything that you can't to with a FB in the back field or an extra WR.

    Seriously, you just don't get that much flexibility.
    Sure you can split AD out and keep AD but if you are gonna threaten with a RB in a passing play why not just but a WR out there that the QB is used to throwing to and a WR who is used to running routes.

    Comeon guys, quit thinking Madden football and think real NFL football.... ;D ;D ;D
    C'mon Marr, quit thinking predictability. It killed our run game last year. With only AD & a FB in the backfield, what are the chances of the play being a run?

    95%? 90%?

    With AD & C-Tay in there together, we become less predictable & it opens up our passing game. With both backs in there, you don't necessarily need to use one to pound a hole for the other.

    Cannot the wishbone also utilize a FB?

    We can be unpredictable with more traditional lineups like the following and still keep our RB's fresh, like the two RB approach most teams are taking is designed to do.....

    WR








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    We running or passing in that scheme?
    a.
    Everyone blocks down and AD runs the ball.
    b.
    WR's run routes, FB and RB chip/help and then roll to the flat.
    c.
    QB drops back and then runs.

    WR








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    We running or passing in that scheme?
    a.
    Everyone blocks down and AD runs the ball.
    b.
    WR's run routes, FB and RB chip/help and then roll to the flat.
    c.
    TE chips/helps or runs a route into the seam
    c.
    QB drops back and then runs.


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    We running or passing in that scheme?

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    We running or passing in that scheme?

    Truth of the matter those base sets are what will be hard to game plan against as you can run a myriad of plays from them and they will be very effective as your base set players are well versed in the running of plays from those sets.

    Again, we will see CT and AD in the backfield at times this year, just like we did last year, but it isn't gonna be a thing that you will see alot.
    Those won't make it any less predictable unless Taylor is the RB in those sets. If AD is the RB in those sets, I'll call run on each & everyone of them & be right most of the time.

    Until AD can learn to pass block, when he's in there, the chances of the play being a run are high.

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    Re: The Peterson-Taylor combination

    "singersp" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "tastywaves" wrote:
    The Wishbone offense utilizes 3 running backs in the lineup.
    1 fullback, two halfbacks.
    It was common back in earlier college days (Oklahoma probably gave it the most fame back in the 70's, at least my lifespan).
    It is not being used much today outside of small high school's as it basically says we are lining up to run the ball down your throat, try to stop us.
    Good defenses can stop it or minimize it.

    the problem I see with lining both Chester and Adrian up in the backfield is that it will require them to be able to lead block to have any effectiveness.
    That's the fullback's job.
    Just having two great running backs to keep the defense guessing would probably be outweighed by the probability that one of those guys will be getting the ball. Do you really want to see Adrian used as a battering ram to free up lanes for Chester?

    We need to develop a respectable passing game if we want to have a consistent offense.
    Finally, someone with a clue.

    Will we see CT/AD in the backfield at the same time?
    Yes, just about as many times as we did last year which wasn't many.

    The whole concept of the two back attack is that you ROTATE backs in and out to keep them both fresh.
    Putting them both in at the same time defeats that purpose and really doesn't do anything that you can't to with a FB in the back field or an extra WR.

    Seriously, you just don't get that much flexibility.
    Sure you can split AD out and keep AD but if you are gonna threaten with a RB in a passing play why not just but a WR out there that the QB is used to throwing to and a WR who is used to running routes.

    Comeon guys, quit thinking Madden football and think real NFL football.... ;D ;D ;D
    C'mon Marr, quit thinking predictability. It killed our run game last year. With only AD & a FB in the backfield, what are the chances of the play being a run?

    95%? 90%?

    With AD & C-Tay in there together, we become less predictable & it opens up our passing game. With both backs in there, you don't necessarily need to use one to pound a hole for the other.

    Cannot the wishbone also utilize a FB?

    We can be unpredictable with more traditional lineups like the following and still keep our RB's fresh, like the two RB approach most teams are taking is designed to do.....

    WR








    LT
    LG
    C
    RG
    RG


    WR




    WR


















    QB



































    FB


















    RB

    We running or passing in that scheme?
    a.
    Everyone blocks down and AD runs the ball.
    b.
    WR's run routes, FB and RB chip/help and then roll to the flat.
    c.
    QB drops back and then runs.

    WR








    LT
    LG
    C
    RG
    RG


    WR




    WR











    TE




    QB



































    RB
    We running or passing in that scheme?
    a.
    Everyone blocks down and AD runs the ball.
    b.
    WR's run routes, FB and RB chip/help and then roll to the flat.
    c.
    TE chips/helps or runs a route into the seam
    c.
    QB drops back and then runs.


    WR








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    LG
    C
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    RG







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    TE



































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    We running or passing in that scheme?

    WR








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    C
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    RB
    We running or passing in that scheme?

    Truth of the matter those base sets are what will be hard to game plan against as you can run a myriad of plays from them and they will be very effective as your base set players are well versed in the running of plays from those sets.

    Again, we will see CT and AD in the backfield at times this year, just like we did last year, but it isn't gonna be a thing that you will see alot.
    Those won't make it any less predictable unless Taylor is the RB in those sets. If AD is the RB in those sets, I'll call run on each & everyone of them & be right most of the time.

    Until AD can learn to pass block, when he's in there, the chances of the play being a run are high.
    That is a very valid point and is why AD needs to work on his pass blocking.
    Hopefully he will be much better at it this year.

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    Re: The Peterson-Taylor combination

    "tastywaves" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    [quote author=tastywaves link=topic=45653.msg792596#msg792596 date=1213623970]
    The Wishbone offense utilizes 3 running backs in the lineup.
    1 fullback, two halfbacks.
    It was common back in earlier college days (Oklahoma probably gave it the most fame back in the 70's, at least my lifespan).
    It is not being used much today outside of small high school's as it basically says we are lining up to run the ball down your throat, try to stop us.
    Good defenses can stop it or minimize it.

    the problem I see with lining both Chester and Adrian up in the backfield is that it will require them to be able to lead block to have any effectiveness.
    That's the fullback's job.
    Just having two great running backs to keep the defense guessing would probably be outweighed by the probability that one of those guys will be getting the ball. Do you really want to see Adrian used as a battering ram to free up lanes for Chester?

    We need to develop a respectable passing game if we want to have a consistent offense.
    Finally, someone with a clue.

    Will we see CT/AD in the backfield at the same time?
    Yes, just about as many times as we did last year which wasn't many.

    The whole concept of the two back attack is that you ROTATE backs in and out to keep them both fresh.
    Putting them both in at the same time defeats that purpose and really doesn't do anything that you can't to with a FB in the back field or an extra WR.

    Seriously, you just don't get that much flexibility.
    Sure you can split AD out and keep AD but if you are gonna threaten with a RB in a passing play why not just but a WR out there that the QB is used to throwing to and a WR who is used to running routes.

    Comeon guys, quit thinking Madden football and think real NFL football.... ;D ;D ;D
    C'mon Marr, quit thinking predictability. It killed our run game last year. With only AD & a FB in the backfield, what are the chances of the play being a run?

    95%? 90%?

    With AD & C-Tay in there together, we become less predictable & it opens up our passing game. With both backs in there, you don't necessarily need to use one to pound a hole for the other.

    Cannot the wishbone also utilize a FB?

    We can be unpredictable with more traditional lineups like the following and still keep our RB's fresh, like the two RB approach most teams are taking is designed to do.....

    WR









    LT

    LG

    C
    RG
    RG


    WR




    WR


















    QB




































    FB



















    RB

    We running or passing in that scheme?
    a.
    Everyone blocks down and AD runs the ball.
    b.
    WR's run routes, FB and RB chip/help and then roll to the flat.
    c.
    QB drops back and then runs.

    WR









    LT

    LG

    C
    RG
    RG


    WR




    WR











    TE




    QB



































    RB
    We running or passing in that scheme?
    a.
    Everyone blocks down and AD runs the ball.
    b.
    WR's run routes, FB and RB chip/help and then roll to the flat.
    c.
    TE chips/helps or runs a route into the seam
    c.
    QB drops back and then runs.


    WR









    LT

    LG

    C
    RG
    RG








    WR











    TE




    QB




    TE



































    RB

    We running or passing in that scheme?

    WR









    LT

    LG

    C
    RG
    RG








    WR











    TE




    QB








































    FB


















    RB
    We running or passing in that scheme?

    Truth of the matter those base sets are what will be hard to game plan against as you can run a myriad of plays from them and they will be very effective as your base set players are well versed in the running of plays from those sets.

    Again, we will see CT and AD in the backfield at times this year, just like we did last year, but it isn't gonna be a thing that you will see alot.
    Those won't make it any less predictable unless Taylor is the RB in those sets. If AD is the RB in those sets, I'll call run on each & everyone of them & be right most of the time.

    Until AD can learn to pass block, when he's in there, the chances of the play being a run are high.
    That is a very valid point and is why AD needs to work on his pass blocking.
    Hopefully he will be much better at it this year.
    [/quote]
    Almost every rookie RB struggles with pass protection/blitz pickups and come back thier second year and don't have an issue.

    I for one believe coach Bienemy will have AD ready to go in that regard.
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    Re: The Peterson-Taylor combination

    I'd even take one of those WRs out and put in a TE on the left side of the line. I like that formation though.
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    Re: The Peterson-Taylor combination

    I hear the Wing T is coming back

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    Re: The Peterson-Taylor combination

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    I hear the Wing T is coming back
    LOL. The ole Wing T.......Damn, your dating yourself or you study football strategies.... ;D
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