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    Peterson does not have a fumble problem

    Hello everyone...Long time no see...I posted this on an Eagles board and pretty much could get no response or argument from any of them...personally I am sick of hearing about it because the trtuh is not being told.

    NFL fans need to get off Petersons tip about fumbling.
    Peterson had 4 fumbles last year.
    In 2009 he has 9.
    that's 13 over 2 years.
    You can't say Peterson has a fumbling problem due to one bad game.
    Also keep in mind he is a young player.
    So let's look at some other great backs their first 3 years in the game.

    Walter Peyton 9 10 11 fumbles lost in his first 3 years. Thats 30 fumbles in 3 years

    Barry Sanders 10 4 5 fumbles his first 3 years. Thats 19 fumbles in 3 years

    Emmit Smith 7 8 4 fumbles lost his first 3 years.
    That's 19 fumbles in 3 years

    Tony Dorsett
    7 12 9 fumbles lost his first 3 years.
    That's 28 fumbles in 3 years

    Thurman Thomas 9 7 6 fumbles lost his first 3 years.
    That's 22 fumbles in 3 years

    Eric Dickerson
    13 14 10 fumbles lost his first 3 years. That's 37 fumbles lost in 3 years

    Peterson in his first 2 years has 13 fumbles.
    And I might add (this is the amazing part) he's done this with more rushing attempts then any of these HOF backs.
    So Peterson is right on par and actually doing better then any of these runners.
    One bad game does not justify claiming a fumbling problem.
    The boy is special...a NFL record 296 yards in one game against a top 10 defense with no QB and no legit # 1 receiver.
    Don't believe for one second the kid has any problem.
    To many Eagle fans on this board are claiming the boy can't hold onto the ball...and the truth needs to be told.



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    Re: Peterson does not have a fumble problem

    So what you're saying is those running backs had fumbling problems in their first years also.

    (BTW, that's a list of fumbles that they had, not fumbles lost)

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    Re: Peterson does not have a fumble problem

    Wow, good comparison.
    He still has a fumble problem though...

    Regardless, he more than makes up for his fumbles.
    And I expect he'll learn to hold on to the ball, just like those guys did.
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    Re: Peterson does not have a fumble problem

    I think its still a bit of a problem but not unusual. Alot of his fumbles are also coming in chuncks but the worst times in games, particularly at the end of a good drive. I'm not over concerned about it, I think he's gonna continue to play and play well. Like you said he's still a very young back.

    If I was an Eagles fan I wouldn't bank on him fumbling this game, more so on how to stop him from hitting open creases.

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    Re: Peterson does not have a fumble problem

    "enlvikeman" wrote:
    Hello everyone...Long time no see...I posted this on an Eagles board and pretty much could get no response or argument from any of them...personally I am sick of hearing about it because the trtuh is not being told.

    NFL fans need to get off Petersons tip about fumbling.
    Peterson had 4 fumbles last year.
    In 2009 he has 9.
    that's 13 over 2 years.
    You can't say Peterson has a fumbling problem due to one bad game.
    Also keep in mind he is a young player.
    So let's look at some other great backs their first 3 years in the game.

    Walter Peyton 9 10 11 fumbles lost in his first 3 years. Thats 30 fumbles in 3 years

    Barry Sanders 10 4 5 fumbles his first 3 years. Thats 19 fumbles in 3 years

    Emmit Smith 7 8 4 fumbles lost his first 3 years.
    That's 19 fumbles in 3 years

    Tony Dorsett
    7 12 9 fumbles lost his first 3 years.
    That's 28 fumbles in 3 years

    Thurman Thomas 9 7 6 fumbles lost his first 3 years.
    That's 22 fumbles in 3 years

    Eric Dickerson
    13 14 10 fumbles lost his first 3 years. That's 37 fumbles lost in 3 years

    Peterson in his first 2 years has 13 fumbles.
    And I might add (this is the amazing part) he's done this with more rushing attempts then any of these HOF backs.
    So Peterson is right on par and actually doing better then any of these runners.
    One bad game does not justify claiming a fumbling problem.
    The boy is special...a NFL record 296 yards in one game against a top 10 defense with no QB and no legit # 1 receiver.
    Don't believe for one second the kid has any problem.
    To many Eagle fans on this board are claiming the boy can't hold onto the ball...and the truth needs to be told.
    Some, but not all.

    Rushes in their first 2 years;

    TD
    498
    TT
    505
    BS
    535
    AP
    601
    ES
    606
    WP
    607
    ED
    769

    Also, what you are not taking into account is receptions. RB's do fumble after catching the ball;

    Receptions in their first 2 years;

    AP
    40
    WP
    48
    BS
    60
    TD
    66
    TT
    78
    ED
    72
    ES
    73

    Total touches 1st 2 years;

    TD
    564
    TT
    583
    BS
    595
    AP
    641
    WP
    655
    ES
    679
    ED
    841

    Fumbles per touch 1st 2 years;

    AP
    .020
    ES
    .022
    BS
    .024
    TT
    .027
    WP
    .029
    ED
    .032
    TD
    .034

    Now of those RB's AD has the least amount of fumbles per carry of the RB's you mentioned. All are great, but that is not to say they all didn't have fumbling problems.

    There are other rushing leaders who you didn't mention that had fewer fumbles such as;

    Curtis Martin (760)(.012)
    Jerome Bettis (670)(.013)
    Edgerrin James (881)(.015)
    LaDainian Tomlinson (841)(.013)
    Clinton Portis (742)(.011)

    You can easily find cases for both sides of the coin.

    What concerns me the most is AD has had 5 fumbles in his last 96 touches (.052) or 5.2% of his carries.

    To me, that is a problem, especially headed into the playoffs.










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    Re: Peterson does not have a fumble problem

    I agree with Singer. It has been a problem as of late. Nobody disagrees that Peterson is not great. Right now he scares me when he runs the ball and that is not a good sign heading into the playoffs.

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    Re: Peterson does not have a fumble problem

    good to see you around enlvik.
    Here's a snippet from [size=12pt]Jensen's article:[/size]

    ...Vikings running backs coach Eric Bieniemy relied on an old-school tactic to reinforce ball security after Peterson played a role in three fumbles (two of them lost) in a 24-17 loss to the Falcons on Dec. 21. Peterson and Bieniemy each carried a football throughout Winter Park last week, protecting the ball in the cafeteria and meeting rooms from running backs and defensive players.

    “It wasn’t tough to swallow,” Peterson said of the exercise. “I’m a prideful person, but little things like that don’t move me.

    “It was big just to lose that game [to the Falcons] and to really give those guys the game. It was humbling to sit back and see how you can dominate and lose because of turnovers.”

    Bieniemy, like a broken record, repeatedly hammered home the four points of pressure: placing two hands on the ball, with the forearm and bicep locked against one side of the body. Then Bieniemy pulled out his ace in the hole.

    “I told him, if it ever becomes an issue, I do know one thing: we got a guy who’ll hold onto it that’s sitting behind him and would love to get the carries that he’s getting,” Bieniemy said on Friday.

    That player is Chester Taylor, a veteran who gained 1,216 yards in 2006...
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    Re: Peterson does not have a fumble problem

    "singersp" wrote:
    "enlvikeman" wrote:
    Hello everyone...Long time no see...I posted this on an Eagles board and pretty much could get no response or argument from any of them...personally I am sick of hearing about it because the trtuh is not being told.

    NFL fans need to get off Petersons tip about fumbling.
    Peterson had 4 fumbles last year.
    In 2009 he has 9.
    that's 13 over 2 years.
    You can't say Peterson has a fumbling problem due to one bad game.
    Also keep in mind he is a young player.
    So let's look at some other great backs their first 3 years in the game.

    Walter Peyton 9 10 11 fumbles lost in his first 3 years. Thats 30 fumbles in 3 years

    Barry Sanders 10 4 5 fumbles his first 3 years. Thats 19 fumbles in 3 years

    Emmit Smith 7 8 4 fumbles lost his first 3 years.
    That's 19 fumbles in 3 years

    Tony Dorsett
    7 12 9 fumbles lost his first 3 years.
    That's 28 fumbles in 3 years

    Thurman Thomas 9 7 6 fumbles lost his first 3 years.
    That's 22 fumbles in 3 years

    Eric Dickerson
    13 14 10 fumbles lost his first 3 years. That's 37 fumbles lost in 3 years

    Peterson in his first 2 years has 13 fumbles.
    And I might add (this is the amazing part) he's done this with more rushing attempts then any of these HOF backs.
    So Peterson is right on par and actually doing better then any of these runners.
    One bad game does not justify claiming a fumbling problem.
    The boy is special...a NFL record 296 yards in one game against a top 10 defense with no QB and no legit # 1 receiver.
    Don't believe for one second the kid has any problem.
    To many Eagle fans on this board are claiming the boy can't hold onto the ball...and the truth needs to be told.
    Some, but not all.

    Rushes in their first 2 years;

    TD
    498
    TT
    505
    BS
    535
    AP
    601
    ES
    606
    WP
    607
    ED
    769

    Also, what you are not taking into account is receptions. RB's do fumble after catching the ball;

    Receptions in their first 2 years;

    AP
    40
    WP
    48
    BS
    60
    TD
    66
    TT
    78
    ED
    72
    ES
    73

    Total touches 1st 2 years;

    TD
    564
    TT
    583
    BS
    595
    AP
    641
    WP
    655
    ES
    679
    ED
    841

    Fumbles per touch 1st 2 years;

    AP
    .020
    ES
    .022
    BS
    .024
    TT
    .027
    WP
    .029
    ED
    .032
    TD
    .034

    Now of those RB's AD has the least amount of fumbles per carry of the RB's you mentioned. All are great, but that is not to say they all didn't have fumbling problems.

    There are other rushing leaders who you didn't mention that had fewer fumbles such as;

    Curtis Martin (760)(.012)
    Jerome Bettis (670)(.013)
    Edgerrin James (881)(.015)
    LaDainian Tomlinson (841)(.013)
    Clinton Portis (742)(.011)

    You can easily find cases for both sides of the coin.

    What concerns me the most is AD has had 5 fumbles in his last 96 touches (.052) or 5.2% of his carries.

    To me, that is a problem, especially headed into the playoffs.

    Those two posts are exactly why I love this site so much.

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    Re: Peterson does not have a fumble problem

    Last year or the year before the GB's aman green had the same fumble problem, and John Madden suggested to him to wear rubber arm guards on his FORARMS rather than the cloth ones he was wearing. of course Madden just HAD to do that just before the Vikes played the the *ackers at Lambeau field. but is there any way to tell the Vikes this might help A.P.??
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    Re: Peterson does not have a fumble problem

    I guess the rubber on the arms couldn't hurt if he's comfortable wearing them for when people are trying to rip it while he is struggling for extra yards.
    I don't know if they'd help when he is flying throught the air mid-spin with his arms flying around like he's doing the chicken dance and someone puts their helmet on the ball.

    I think he should just not let anyone touch him like on the Giants TD run.
    Then he can just concentrate on holding onto the ball as he crosses the goal line.

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