Pete Carroll is available, but you'll have to pay...

**snowinapril** · 12-09-2005, 04:29 PM

"Del Rio" wrote:

He wouldn't be a rookie.

He has coached in the NFL before in a head coach position. He spent 3 years with the Patriots and 1 year with the Jets. He was 27-21 with the Pats. He also was a D cord for the Niners for two years and they won the division both years. He's a good coach.

I thing he does better commanding boys then he does men. The NFL ego factor is too much for the guy. I doubt he would want to come back to face that particular aspect of the game.

Coaching millionaires is harder then coaching people who are hoping you will help make then millionaires.

In addition to, he has had plenty of NFL experience

And let's not forget that he has coached on the Vikings staff before, not as HC but on the D side of the ball.

1974 Pacific Graduate assistant/wide receivers 6-5 Chester Caddas
1975 Pacific Graduate assistant/secondary 5-6-1 Chester Caddas
1976 Pacific Graduate assistant/secondary 2-9 Chester Caddas
1977 Arkansas Graduate assistant/secondary 11-1 (Orange) Lou Holtz
1978 Iowa State Secondary coach 8-4 (Hall of Fame) Earle Bruce
1979 Ohio State Secondary coach 11-1 (Rose) Earle Bruce
1980 North Carolina State Defensive coordinator/secondary coach 6-5 Monte Kiffin
1981 North Carolina State Defensive coordinator/secondary coach 4-7 Monte Kiffin
1982 North Carolina State Defensive coordinator/secondary coach 6-5 Monte Kiffin
1983 Pacific Asst. head coach/offensive coordinator 3-9 Bob Cope
1984 Buffalo Bills Defensive backs coach 2-14 Kay Stephenson
1985 Minnesota Vikings Defensive backs coach 7-9 Bud Grant
1986 Minnesota Vikings Defensive backs coach 9-7 Jerry Burns
1987 Minnesota Vikings Defensive backs coach 8-7* (2-1) Jerry Burns
1988 Minnesota Vikings Defensive backs coach 11-5* (1-1) Jerry Burns
1989 Minnesota Vikings Defensive backs coach 10-6** (0-1) Jerry Burns
1990 New York Jets Defensive coordinator 6-10 Bruce Coslet
1991 New York Jets Defensive coordinator 8-8* (0-1) Bruce Coslet
1992 New York Jets Defensive coordinator 4-12 Bruce Coslet
1993 New York Jets Defensive coordinator 8-8 Bruce Coslet
1994 New York Jets Head coach 6-10 -
1995 San Francisco 49ers Defensive coordinator 11-5** (0-1) George Seifert
1996 San Francisco 49ers Defensive coordinator 12-4** (1-1) George Seifert
1997 New England Patriots Head coach 10-6** (1-1) -
1998 New England Patriots Head coach 9-7* (0-1) -
1999 New England Patriots Head coach 8-8 -
2001 USC Head coach 6-6 (Las Vegas) -
2002 USC Head coach 11-2 (Orange) -
2003 USC Head coach 12-1# (Rose) -
2004 USC Head coach 13-0# (Orange) -

*Advanced to playoffs
**Division champions and advanced to playoffs
#Won national championship

**COJOMAY** · 12-09-2005, 04:48 PM

Did you notice that in 98, 98 and 99 he winning record went DOWN every year. Yup, there's a guy I want to give complete control of all the football operations to.

**snowinapril** · 12-09-2005, 05:02 PM

"COJOMAY" wrote:

Did you notice that in 98, 98 and 99 he winning record went DOWN every year. Yup, there's a guy I want to give complete control of all the football operations to.

I am not saying I think that he is worth 6 million, it will take a lot to get him out of what he is comfortable with right now. Personally, I wouldn't want to leave a good thing like USC. He will get 90% of the top high schoolers in CA, he is going to have great talent to work with.

But, I don't think that the Pats record is a good indicator, it is not like he went 2-14. I do think that with age and experience, he has learned a lot since then.

Pete is still a risk at the NFL level, he has only PROVEN himself a consistant winner at the College level.

**Wiggles67** · 12-09-2005, 05:09 PM

"dbalke10" wrote:

From Peter King Sports Illustrated..."Attention NFL owners: You can have USC coach Pete Carroll, but it'll cost you. Carroll will want full control of football operations and probably $6 million a year to return to the pros."

My thoughts have been that I would probably stick by Tice unless the coach available was a major upgrade. Wouldn't you think this would qualify? He has local connections, and Zigi would be able to generate some major publicity and put his stamp on HIS team. What do you think?

I have a feeling Pete is chuckling to himself right now. He realizes these demands are rediculous and that no one would give an unprove NFL coach $6 mil and total control over the football operations. This was his way of saying he's happy where he's at and he has no plans on returning to the NFL

**V4L** · 12-09-2005, 05:28 PM

Too much money.. I don't think he would be that good at the pro level.. It's a a way different game..

Like Mason said he is a great college coach but College is alot of trick plays and stuff that wouldn't work in the NFL..

**Turboe** · 12-09-2005, 05:42 PM

"snowinapril" wrote:

In addition to, he has had plenty of NFL experience

And let's not forget that he has coached on the Vikings staff before, not as HC but on the D side of the ball.

1974 Pacific Graduate assistant/wide receivers 6-5 Chester Caddas
1975 Pacific Graduate assistant/secondary 5-6-1 Chester Caddas
1976 Pacific Graduate assistant/secondary 2-9 Chester Caddas
1977 Arkansas Graduate assistant/secondary 11-1 (Orange) Lou Holtz
1978 Iowa State Secondary coach 8-4 (Hall of Fame) Earle Bruce
1979 Ohio State Secondary coach 11-1 (Rose) Earle Bruce
1980 North Carolina State Defensive coordinator/secondary coach 6-5 Monte Kiffin
1981 North Carolina State Defensive coordinator/secondary coach 4-7 Monte Kiffin
1982 North Carolina State Defensive coordinator/secondary coach 6-5 Monte Kiffin
1983 Pacific Asst. head coach/offensive coordinator 3-9 Bob Cope
1984 Buffalo Bills Defensive backs coach 2-14 Kay Stephenson
1985 Minnesota Vikings Defensive backs coach 7-9 Bud Grant
1986 Minnesota Vikings Defensive backs coach 9-7 Jerry Burns
1987 Minnesota Vikings Defensive backs coach 8-7* (2-1) Jerry Burns
1988 Minnesota Vikings Defensive backs coach 11-5* (1-1) Jerry Burns
1989 Minnesota Vikings Defensive backs coach 10-6** (0-1) Jerry Burns
1990 New York Jets Defensive coordinator 6-10 Bruce Coslet
1991 New York Jets Defensive coordinator 8-8* (0-1) Bruce Coslet
1992 New York Jets Defensive coordinator 4-12 Bruce Coslet
1993 New York Jets Defensive coordinator 8-8 Bruce Coslet
1994 New York Jets Head coach 6-10 -
1995 San Francisco 49ers Defensive coordinator 11-5** (0-1) George Seifert
1996 San Francisco 49ers Defensive coordinator 12-4** (1-1) George Seifert
1997 New England Patriots Head coach 10-6** (1-1) -
1998 New England Patriots Head coach 9-7* (0-1) -
1999 New England Patriots Head coach 8-8 -
2001 USC Head coach 6-6 (Las Vegas) -
2002 USC Head coach 11-2 (Orange) -
2003 USC Head coach 12-1# (Rose) -
2004 USC Head coach 13-0# (Orange) -

OK snow, you're killing me. You post the above stats with astericks on some of the years, but dont tell us what they mean. Enquiring minds want to know? Especially his Vikings years, I wonder what that represents?

**snowinapril** · 12-09-2005, 05:52 PM

"Turboe" wrote:

OK snow, you're killing me. You post the above stats with astericks on some of the years, but dont tell us what they mean. Enquiring minds want to know? Especially his Vikings years, I wonder what that represents?

Sorry Turboe,

I went back and found it

*Advanced to playoffs
**Division champions and advanced to playoffs
#Won national championship

http://usctrojans.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/carroll_pete00.html

**gregair13** · 12-09-2005, 06:53 PM

hmm i didnt know he has nfl experinces. but still. 6 million bucks for a coach? i would rather sign some rookie punters.

**Ltrey33** · 12-09-2005, 07:06 PM

I'd take him as a HC, but I'm scared of giving a guy full control. More times than not that doesn't work out.

**cajunvike** · 12-09-2005, 07:28 PM

"TARKenton" wrote:

i think tice will have to get to at least the nfc championship and have a respectable showing in order to keep his job. as for carrol, no thanks. he was not that good in his first stint in the pros. if we replace tice, i would like to see a guy like brian billick or jeff fisher (assuming they are available) take over. i wouldnt mind tb defensive coordinator monte kiffin either.

Neither was Bill Belichick good in his first stint in the pros as a HC...would you kick him to the curb NOW? That being said, Carroll IS a risk...but most candidates that would be available to Wilf if he lets Tice go will be risks...it's not like Belichick, Parcells or Gibbs will say "Ooh...I wanna leave where I am comfortable at and go to freezing cold Minnesota to coach the Vikings"...AIN'T gonna happen...even if we all wish it.

BTW, I would KILL for Fisher...maybe he can bring Steve McNair along with him to fill in until Pep gets BETTER!!! Now, THERE'S a thought!!! :grin: