Thread: Percy to holdout?..

Originally Posted by Webby

he's undoubtedly has the upper hand in this deal...unless we want to get tough and use him as an example.

We don't have hardly any good vets left to use as "an example".

Personally, unlike everyone else here, I don't believe this is primarily contract related. I believe Harvin is generally concerned/unhappy about possibly the way the camps/practices are being run or the direction they are heading with their schemes/plans. Perhaps certain coaches & their lack of knowledge/teaching skills have Harvin upset. Could even be where they placed him on the depth charts.

If it was simply a contract issue, I think we'd have heard about it prior to day 1 of mandatory camp & he probably wouldn't have even shown up today.

Something he saw today at camp today has him unhappy. It isn't always contract related. Could be he has a legitimate concern just like Birk & Winfield did when Childress tried to run camp with an iron fist & they had to confront him about it.

Especially considering from what we've heard, the KAO is still alive & pumping thru Frazier's veins.

I just have this feeling he believes there are a lot of things in disarray or in a clusterfuck if you prefer, on the football side of things.

Originally Posted by Webby

7 more years of injuries and missing games? This is our best bet?

Well there's always the basketball player. Ricky believes in him.

Percy is the biggest offensive star, since AD was injured.
He has been the type of NFL player I have always admired most. He gives everything he has, even when he is playing on a lousey team with no hope of going anywhere.
He's special. He knows it, we know it, the Vikings know it.
The Wilfs need to listen to what he has to say, and pay to keep him in the fold.
If he thinks he is stuck on the train to nowhere, he needs to get paid to stay there.
Money is part of it.
Not having a chance at a ring is possibly a bigger factor.

Originally Posted by singersp

Personally, unlike everyone else here, I don't believe this is primarily contract related. I believe Harvin is generally concerned/unhappy about possibly the way the camps/practices are being run or the direction they are heading with their schemes/plans. Perhaps certain coaches & their lack of knowledge/teaching skills have Harvin upset. Could even be where they placed him on the depth charts.

If it was simply a contract issue, I think we'd have heard about it prior to day 1 of mandatory camp & he probably wouldn't have even shown up today.

Something he saw today at camp today has him unhappy. It isn't always contract related. Could be he has a legitimate concern just like Birk & Winfield did when Childress tried to run camp with an iron fist & they had to confront him about it.

Especially considering from what we've heard, the KAO is still alive & pumping thru Frazier's veins.

I just have this feeling he believes there are a lot of things in disarray or in a clusterfuck if you prefer, on the football side of things.

This certainly could be the case. He definitely could be a superstar in the right spot.

Musgrave did seem to figure Harvin out more as the year went on in 2011 though. So, hopefully,they can all get back on the same page.

Report: Harvin wants extension after season - NFL- NBC Sports

According to ESPN 1500 Twin Cities, Percy Harvin "has no intention" of playing for the Vikings in 2013 without a new contract.

and this.

Long-term contract details may determine Harvin’s Vikings fate | ProFootballTalk

Harvin’s mindset is that the upcoming season will be his last in Minnesota if his long-term contract demands are not met.

Originally Posted by C Mac D

Can't blame him. He's underused and underpaid. He could be 10x the receiver Steve Smith is in Carolina, but our staff thinks he's undersized and fragile (using him on only 48% of offensive snaps last season). Fact of the matter, our coaching staff completely lacks any ability to develop, or use, talent effectively. It's been that way since 2006.

This sounds familiar... have I said this before?

OK, who are you, and what have you done with C Mac?

I agree 100%...



...which frightens me....


Caine

Originally Posted by Caine

OK, who are you, and what have you done with C Mac?

I agree 100%...



...which frightens me....


Caine

We usually see eye-to-eye these days. Thank goodness the Favre/Jackson issue is in the past.

Originally Posted by marshallvike

Report: Harvin wants extension after season - NFL- NBC Sports



and this.

Long-term contract details may determine Harvin’s Vikings fate | ProFootballTalk

Hmmm, I was led to believe his beefs had nothing to do with money.

The guy deserves more money and more reps, pretty sure any idiot, even our coaches, can see that. But, really, 87 catches + 52 rushes + 16 returns isn't completely, under-used. That's 155 touches right there or dam near 10 touches a game. That's pretty high for a reciever and doesn't include the failed targets he had. I'd trade a few rushes and returns for getting him over 100 catches, but I'm not sure how much more you'd want to work him...he alreadys seems to miss practice alot due to dings and dents...but as a decoy, he should still be on the field more.

Of course money is part of it...he's proved his worth and is pretty much getting paid vet minimum. But I got a feeling a big part of his "issues" is that he's not real fond of how much the Vikings are practicing and looking at that 2-TE set, cuz his strength is the slot, which isn't going to see the field much with 2 TEs out there. And then there's where and what we added as other weapons this off season too...a high paid TE, a suspended one year wondering if he can do it again WR and the other WRs not until the 4th round with the first one being kind of a Harvin clone and the other a guy who still hasn't played or practiced for over a year. I'd bet Harvin was hoping for somebody to attract a lil attention opposite him, not a potential/developmental and positional replacement. That's where Frazier stepped in and said, look, we're going to use you, we'd be nuts not to.

I think the kid's got way too much talent to let walk, his multi threat is too important to our offense. And really, the injury thing is a bit overblown...he misses practice, but not many games. Sure, there are a few routes he's not great at, or maybe its that missed practice, and some DBs have a bit of a size advantage, but with the ball in his hands, he's pretty damn near Peterson's equal if you sum up their combination of speed, moves, power, and balance, and that is incredibly impressive.