05-08-2013, 10:10 AM #31
And to further compound your attempt, who was number one in YAC per catch last year? Poor ole Percy, you know, the one you contend was laid out every time he caught the ball from crappy old Ponder.
Welker was ranked 21rst by the way.
Comeon my friend, the data is there that supports Ponder did his job and did it effectively. That isn't to say he slung it all over the place deep. Thats not what he was drafted for. He was drafted to run the Walsh Variant of the WCO. That means alot, not a few, but alot of short passes with a few deep ones mixed in.
LOS 83% - 75%
1-10yds 66% - 72%
11-20yds 50% - 43%
21-30yds 79% - 34%
31-40yds 25% - 40%
41+yds 0% - 0%
Quick question, of the two QB's above, which one do you want to start? 1rst column or the second?Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
05-08-2013, 10:13 AM #32
He'd be on the bench in a minute, learning from were he is supposed to be learning. Not on the field in front of fans who have no clue about what they are watching.
And I'm not saying he carried the team. No one carries a team unless your playing basketball or hockey when you have a hot goalie. In the NFL you win as a team.
I said, we won with him under center and lost the most important one when he wasn't.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
05-08-2013, 10:18 AM #33
How does that seem logical, when the first half of the season, he was the prime target. A tiger doesn't change it' stripes. You don't practice in the Preseason to run a 2 TE offense primarily and then come out running screens for half the season. Try again. That's not it.
2. Vikings grew tired of Harvin complaining about Ponder | ProFootballTalk
This is the best I can do. It goes hand in hand with what I was saying. It's not about the # of catches. It's about putting me in position to use my talents. That's the QBs job. Get me the ball and let me help this team. He however, wipes scoring plays off the ball with his late reads
Minnesota Vikings wide receiver Percy Harvin angry at Leslie Frazier - NFL Videos
"Had to speculate what he was mad about. Was it the lack of execution in pass protection, or the QB not getting the ball out on time"
From his lips... I saw "that's bullshit"... "fucking ball"
This doesn't look like a coach/ player blow up like most have assumed.
It looks like a player complaining to a coach.
3. What? I questioned his work ethic not his toughness. I wager he is not putting in the film time.
I have yet to see an article or a story about him being a gym rat or staying late. I have a direcct account from a player who everyone agrees is a hard worker and pushes himself and others to work hard.....basically saying that our QB doesn't do the things he needs to do to be great.
More proof it's not about the touches. Harvin is going into a crowded WR corp. What WR that is concerned about touches...would do that? He signed a big contract play there. He didn't have to.
05-08-2013, 10:33 AM #34
05-08-2013, 10:41 AM #35
I can read lips about as good as you can so I will give you the "that's bullshit"... "fucking ball" but if you look back at what was happening in that game........
Minnesota Vikings vs. Seattle Seahawks - Box Score - November 04, 2012 - ESPN
Percy wasn't having one of his best.....Fumble,
3rd and 10 at MIN 11(Shotgun) P.Harvin up the middle to MIN 19 for 8 yards (M.Trufant). FUMBLES (M.Trufant), RECOVERED by SEA-M.Trufant at MIN 17. M.Trufant to MIN 17 for no gain (P.Loadholt).
Ponder spread the ball around to everyone including AD (3 catches). Mix in that Percy only had 6 of the 22 targets with AD getting 4.
One could almost fill in the blanks.....
I don't care what you say, that's bullshit , we won't win this game unless you get me the fucking ball.
I'm tired of all this, not getting me the ball bullshit. We won't win this game unless you start getting me the fucking ball more.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
05-08-2013, 10:43 AM #36
05-08-2013, 02:33 PM #37
But to answer your question, we both know the difference between a 5 yard slant and a bubble screen/ motion into the backfield flare route. Ask your self this, who ran more screens? Percy. What is the net yac on a screen? Everything you get is yac. We both know that Ponder is the master of the 0 yard screen. However, an interesting point would be to check Harvin's YAC on passes that travel 7 yards or more. On those passes I wager he would be much lower down on the list. Which goes with what I am saying. I never contended that Harvin had an issue with screens or the touches he was gettign but instead the quality of passes. If you want to say his screens we high quality passes...ok feather in Ponder's cap. However, when throwing like you know... a Pro Qb, Ponder's passes irated Harvin. Stop villifying the guy... our QB is one of the worst in the league. Deal with it! The FO has!
05-08-2013, 02:43 PM #38
1-10-MIN24 (9:14) C.Ponder scrambles right end to MIN 32 for 8 yards (M.Morgan).
2-2-MIN32 (8:36) A.Peterson up the middle to SEA 44 for 24 yards (B.Browner, C.McDonald).
1-10-SEA44 (7:52) A.Peterson up the middle to SEA 29 for 15 yards (E.Thomas).
1-10-SEA29 (7:11) P.Harvin right end pushed ob at SEA 14 for 15 yards (R.Sherman).
1-10-SEA14 (6:37) C.Ponder pass short left to T.Gerhart to SEA 11 for 3 yards
2-7-SEA11 (5:58) (Shotgun) C.Ponder pass incomplete short right to P.Harvin.
3-7-SEA11 (5:55) (Shotgun) C.Ponder sacked at SEA 18 for -7 yards (B.Wagner).
4-14-SEA18 (5:29) B.Walsh 36 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Loeffler, Holder-C.Kluwe.
MIN 17 SEA 14, Plays: 8 Yards: 58 Possession: 3:49.
Great plays by the stars of our team and a drive wasted by the guy that stunk it up that day. How can you even talk about the Seattle game with a straight face. Our QB was aweful that day. Dreadful. 22 pass attempts 11 completions for 63 yards and the INT. He looked lost out there and should have been benched. He wasn't spreading it around. He was running around with his head up his ass all game long. He cost us this game. 5 rushes for 23 yards. None designed plays... just tucking and running.
05-08-2013, 03:47 PM #39
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I can't remember Ponder throwing Percy Harvin into many situation where he has been laid out, sort of speak. That theory doesn't hold up in my opinion. However, Christian Ponder has been very inconsistent and the huge lack of deep balls might be the reason to Harvin's dissatisfaction.
It is just as likely that Harvin is not that accomplished as a route runner and that he doesn't put himself in a good spot to catch the ball.