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    Penalty problems plague Vikings

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    [size=13pt]Penalty problems plague Vikings[/size]

    Infractions contributed to third-down futility

    BY DON SEEHOLZER
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    No one is more pleased by the Vikings' 2-0 start than coach Brad Childress, but when it comes to one area, he still sees plenty of room for improvement.

    The Vikings have committed nine penalties in each of their first two games, and that played a big part in their .133 (2 for 15) batting average on third down in Sunday's 16-13 overtime victory over Carolina.

    "When you're standing there and seven of (the third downs) are plus-8 (yards) or better, obviously you're not doing enough on the first two downs, or you're shooting yourself in the foot with a penalty," Childress said Monday. "That needs to improve."

    Childress noted that only three teams have committed more penalties than the Vikings — the New York Giants (19), Detroit (21) and Arizona (22).

    The offense was responsible for only four of Sunday's nine infractions, but the first was a killer — a 10-yard holding penalty on the opening drive that nullified a 6-yard Chester Taylor run to the Carolina 1-yard line and forced the Vikings to settle for a field goal.

    "It makes it real tough to move the football up the field when you're scattershot," Childress said. "When you have a nice drive like that first drive of ours and end up with a run down to the 1-yard line and back up because of a hold, that's disappointing. These guys worked too hard to get it down there."

    Childress said he has considered bringing in officials for practice but that it is up to the players to show a little more mental discipline, starting with Sunday's NFC North showdown against 2-0 Chicago.

    Center Matt Birk said the penalties are a concern, especially in the red zone.

    "It's tough enough to score touchdowns, especially against a good defense," he said. "We can't do that and stop ourselves. It's something we've definitely got to tighten up. There's no secret formula for it. You've just got to be tight on your assignment and the details of your assignment and make sure those things don't happen."

    Injury report: Except for defensive end Erasmus James' season-ending knee injury, Childress said the Vikings suffered only "very minor bangs and bruises" in Sunday's victory.

    Wide receiver Troy Williamson left the game after banging his left shoulder on the turf, and cornerback Antoine Winfield sat out most of the third quarter after hitting his helmet on the leg or thigh of Panthers kickoff returner DeAngelo Williams. But both returned.

    Spreading the blame: Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers made it a long afternoon for Vikings right tackle Marcus Johnson, getting three of Carolina's five sacks, but Childress said it wasn't all Johnson's fault.

    "I think when you look at five sacks, the comfortable place to put it is always on the offensive line," Childress said, "but it's usually a combination of a few different things. Whether somebody's not wiggling open in the pass game, whether a guy did, in fact, get beat at the line of scrimmage, whether a back was supposed to be there with some chip help or whether the quarterback held the ball too long. Sometimes you just need to live to play another down."

    Home-field advantage: Childress hopes the Metrodome crowd will be as wild and crazy for the Bears game as it was Sunday.

    "The fans were outstanding. Absolutely outstanding," he said. "That place, it's a snake pit to try to come in there and hear signals and cadence. Obviously, they were responsible for a couple of those procedural penalties."

    Quote of the day: Birk, on fullback Tony Richardson: "To play fullback, you have to be a little nuts. Tony's funny. He's the consummate pro. He's a very intelligent guy, well read and carries himself well. Then you get out there and put him at fullback, and he's a maniac trying to run linebackers over."

    Briefly: Wide receiver/kick returner Quincy Morgan, who had hoped to sign with the Vikings, is off the market after signing a one-year contract with Denver.

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    Re: Penalty problems plague Vikings

    I love the quote from Birk.
    Tony "the maniac" Richardson.
    I like it.
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    I love how Childress keeps giving the fans props:

    "The fans were outstanding. Absolutely outstanding," he [Childress] said. "That place, it's a snake pit to try to come in there and hear signals and cadence. Obviously, they were responsible for a couple of those procedural penalties."

    It was stupid loud in there on Sunday.
    I actually thought we got louder in that game than we did during last year's GB game.
    It makes sense though... We finally have a defense we can cheer about.
    It is easier to get excited when your opponent has third and short when you actually believe that your defense can stop them.
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    [size=13pt]Vikings excelling at being penalized[/size]

    Coach Brad Childress is concerned that his team has 18 infractions in two games. Only three teams have more.

    Judd Zulgad, Star Tribune
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    Given Brad Childress' attention to detail, it is no surprise that the Vikings coach has harped on the importance of being disciplined and avoiding penalties.
    "We look at penalties like we can't have them," tight end Jermaine Wiggins said. "That's just the bottom line."

    So far, though, the Vikings haven't practiced what their coach has preached.

    Through two games, they have been called for 18 penalties, tying them with Washington and Dallas for the fourth most in the league. Only Arizona (22), Detroit (21) and the New York Giants (19) have more infractions. Chicago, the Vikings' opponent Sunday, has been called for 10.

    "It's a concern for me from the standpoint there are only three other teams in the National Football League that have more than us," Childress said. "It makes it really tough to move the football up the field when you're scattershot."

    The Vikings' 2-0 start glosses over the face that they've drawn nine penalties in each of their first two games. Childress and his staff know the problem must be corrected before it costs them a victory.

    That could have been the case Sunday in the Vikings' 16-13 overtime victory against Carolina. Two key first-half infractions in the red zone turned potential touchdown drives into Ryan Longwell field goals.

    On the Vikings' opening possession, right guard Artis Hicks was called for holding on first-and-goal with the ball at the Carolina 7-yard line. Running back Chester Taylor gained 6 yards to get to the Panthers 1, but instead of having the ball on the goal line it was backed up to the 17.

    In the second quarter, the Vikings drove to the Carolina 10 before quarterback Brad Johnson was called for intentional grounding. The 12-yard penalty put the Vikings in a second-and-22 at the Panthers 22.

    "It's tough enough to score touchdowns, especially against good defenses," center Matt Birk said. "We can't do that and kind of stop ourselves or shoot ourselves in the foot. It's something we definitely have got to tighten up. There's no secret formula for it. You've just got to be tight on your assignment and the details of your assignment and make sure those things don't happen."

    Former Vikings coach Mike Tice used to bring in local referees to monitor his team's practices when he was unhappy with the amount of penalties his team was taking. Other teams also have done this, but Childress won't.

    "I don't know that that serves anything, really," he said. "We've talked about it. They have to address it themselves and clean that up."

    Of the 18 penalties against the Vikings, nine have been on the offense, five on the defense and four on special teams. All infractions, however, are not equal.

    The calls that really upset Childress are avoidable penalties, such as false starts. The Vikings have been whistled for six such infractions, including false starts on offensive linemen Hicks, Birk and Bryant McKinnie. There also have been two illegal formation calls and an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty against defensive tackle Spencer Johnson.

    "If the penalties are made hustling, I don't believe that it's a problem," veteran safety Dwight Smith said. "Penalties are going to happen, this is football. But if it's mental errors where you're jumping offsides or you're a defensive player holding, those are things we have to work on. I know Coach Childress has been harping on it since training camp, so hopefully we can get it fixed."


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    Re: Penalty problems plague Vikings

    "singersp" wrote:
    [size=13pt]Vikings excelling at being penalized[/size]

    "If the penalties are made hustling, I don't believe that it's a problem," veteran safety Dwight Smith said. "Penalties are going to happen, this is football. But if it's mental errors where you're jumping offsides or you're a defensive player holding, those are things we have to work on. I know Coach Childress has been harping on it since training camp, so hopefully we can get it fixed."
    That's easy for a safety to say... I agree with him, but it's still not fair to excuse the kind of penalties a safety or corner might make while harping on the linemen for their mistakes. Besides, there's holding in every single play, and sometimes a missed holding call (or even a penalized one) could save your qb from having a broken leg.

    Still, there's no question the Vikes need to lessen these stupid mistakes. Sure these close games have been exciting, but they're not so good on my nerves, and the only way the Vikes are going to start winning big is to stop getting so many gol 'darnit penalties.

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    Re: Penalty problems plague Vikings

    a lot of the penalties have been on rookies or first year starters, im not worried about it

    Quote of the day: Birk, on fullback Tony Richardson: "To play fullback, you have to be a little nuts. Tony's funny. He's the consummate pro. He's a very intelligent guy, well read and carries himself well. Then you get out there and put him at fullback, and he's a maniac trying to run linebackers over."
    love it.


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    I'm just happy the Vikings have a REAL coach. This is such an improvement over Tice. The team looks prepared. The coach is not out selling tickets. No more "Chicago is a tough guy down"

    Keep up the good work Childress!

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    Tuesday, October 10th, 2006
    by Judd Zulgad

    The Vikings appeared to take a big step in terms of avoiding penalty flags in Sunday’s victory over Detriot. Minnesota was assessed a season-low five penalties for 40 yards and did not draw a single flag in the second half.

    Not bad considering the pattern of penalties against the Vikings during their first four games. The Vikings averaged 9.5 a game in starting the season 2-2. A look:

    Game 1 at Washington: nine penalties for 60 yards

    Game 2 vs. Carolina: 9-54

    Game 3 vs. Chicago: 8-83

    Game 4 at Buffalo: 12-78

    After the Detroit game, that average is down to 8.6. Still, the 43 penalties called on the Vikings are the most in the NFL. St. Louis and Washington are next with 39 infractions apiece.

    Although the five flags against was an improvement, the Vikings’ pattern of taking a key penalty on their opening drive in the red zone continued. This time left tackle Bryant McKinnie was called for a hold with the Vikings facing a second-and-9 from the Detroit 10. That backed up Minnesota to the Lions 20 and the drive ended with a field goal.

    This certainly will continue to be an area of focus when the Vikings return to Winter Park next week after their bye. One thing coach Brad Childress hasn’t done is bring in officials to monitor practices. Several NFL teams have elected to go that route but Childress downplayed the idea when asked about it earlier this season

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    This certainly will continue to be an area of focus when the Vikings return to Winter Park next week after their bye. One thing coach Brad Childress hasn’t done is bring in officials to monitor practices. Several NFL teams have elected to go that route but Childress downplayed the idea when asked about it earlier this season
    anyone have any ideas why we don't do this? surely anything that is going to improve the quality of the practice reps and get the players more into 'game' mode has to be worth doing?
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